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[Officerrob]

Ziggler isn't getting pushed. Reigns is back next month, Cena is still on the roster, and Orton is back any week now, there is nowhere for Ziggler to go. Look at the rumored top three matches for Mania, and those don't even include

Spoiler

Cena and Orton

. Last night was a nice moment for Ziggler, but that's likely all it was

 

[Chamber]

Fantasy booking time?

Brock kind of messing things up. I'd take Rollins as champ with Ziggler chasing.

Real life is Reigns coming back and ruining everything

Preach. Seth-kun is being booked like a heel who should walk into Mania as champion. Instead his first title reign will likely be a very short 1 month type of deal.

 

[Fox318]

Ziggler absolutely needs to win the rumble. I think that would push his overness over the top.

Too bad reigns is going to win it.

Its gonna be reigns.

 

[Data West]

Its gonna be reigns.

BELLEDAT, Bitch

 

[Verendus]

Wrestlemania 31 should be:

Reigns/Lesnar
Triple H/Sting
Rock/Batista
Bryan/Undertaker
Orton/Bray Wyatt
Cena/Rollins
Ambrose/Rusev/Jericho

Throw six or seven others in a MITB match or something. Four hours with four big matches to close each hour.

OT titles for January through March should all be centred around our new saviour Roman Reigns.

 

[Ithil]

Ziggler will most likely go nowhere, as usual. This isn't even the first Survivor Series match he's been the sole survivor of and gotten a big rub from (in 2012 he was the last man and beat Orton clean as a whistle to do it), that's how many pushes they've dropped or dropped the ball on for Ziggler.

 

[DMczaf]

Rock is not wrestling some damn accountant at WM.

 

[Verendus]

He's going to wrestle that accountant, and you're going to like it.

 

[Ithil]

Wrestlemania 31 should be:

Reigns/Lesnar
Triple H/Sting
Rock/Batista
Bryan/Undertaker
Orton/Bray Wyatt
Cena/Rollins
Ambrose/Rusev/Jericho

Throw six or seven others in a MITB match or something. Four hours with four big matches to close each hour.

OT titles for January through March should all be centred around our new saviour Roman Reigns.

I don't even know how you got these matches, they're all completely random, save for the top two.

 

[Chamber]

Wrestlemania 31 should be:

Reigns/Lesnar
Triple H/Sting
Rock/Batista
Bryan/Undertaker
Orton/Bray Wyatt
Cena/Rollins
Ambrose/Rusev/Jericho

Throw six or seven others in a MITB match or something. Four hours with four big matches to close each hour.

OT titles for January through March should all be centred around our new saviour Roman Reigns.

 

[imBask]

HHH won't be an accountant he'll be back in charge in 3 weeks because Wrestling Memory works that way

 

[Verendus]

I don't even know how you got these matches, they're all completely random, save for the top two.

I got them because they're what I want to see. How else?

So far, I'm looking like I got Triple H/Sting. I have a good feeling about the other six now.

 

[Ithil]

BELLEDAT, Bitch

The incessant swear words they put in his bad promos reminds me of the Brie/Stephanie feud where Brie couldn't talk for shit so she just said "BITCH!" a lot for cheap pops.

 

[The Elite]

Wrestlemania 31 should be:

Reigns/Lesnar
Triple H/Sting
Rock/Batista
Bryan/Undertaker
Orton/Bray Wyatt
Cena/Rollins
Ambrose/Rusev/Jericho

Throw six or seven others in a MITB match or something. Four hours with four big matches to close each hour.

OT titles for January through March should all be centred around our new saviour Roman Reigns.

Even GAF is burying Ziggler.

 

[plagiarize]

Ziggler might not *continue* to get pushed, but he's been getting pushed lately. I don't know how you can look at his part in this storyline and say 'nah... he won't get pushed'. When we say 'pushed' do some people just add the words 'all the way to the top' after it or something?

Even *before* the match Ziggler had benefitted the most of anyone on Team Cena in the build up. Even the way they took the belt off him made him look good (if a little stupid... but I can deal with Dolph being a little stupid because... well he's always been at least a little stupid).

That was a huge push last night. He might get buried or depushed before he gets another major showcase like that... but he was the lead babyface in the main event of one of the big four. Before he even came into the match he was being chanted.

If Dolph hasn't been getting pushed lately, I don't think I know what a push is.

 

[Terrabyte20xx]

Wrestlemania 31 should be:

Reigns/Lesnar
Triple H/Sting
Rock/Batista
Bryan/Undertaker
Orton/Bray Wyatt
Cena/Rollins
Ambrose/Rusev/Jericho

Throw six or seven others in a MITB match or something. Four hours with four big matches to close each hour.

OT titles for January through March should all be centred around our new saviour Roman Reigns.

...

I think I might be starting to hate Reigns more than Cena now...

 

[lovely ladies]

He's getting the rub from Cena!

 

[plagiarize]

At least Reigns / Lesnar would be Lesnar fighting someone new.

 

[Terrabyte20xx]

Ziggler might not *continue* to get pushed, but he's been getting pushed lately. I don't know how you can look at his part in this storyline and say 'nah... he won't get pushed'. When we say 'pushed' do some people just add the words 'all the way to the top' after it or something?

Even *before* the match Ziggler had benefitted the most of anyone on Team Cena in the build up. Even the way they took the belt off him made him look good (if a little stupid... but I can deal with Dolph being a little stupid because... well he's always been at least a little stupid).

That was a huge push last night. He might get buried or depushed before he gets another major showcase like that... but he was the lead babyface in the main event of one of the big four. Before he even came into the match he was being chanted.

If Dolph hasn't been getting pushed lately, I don't think I know what a push is.

This is true.

 

[TheWarrior]

Ziggler was always praised as being great at selling but caught flack for his offense, last night he put on a great display, some nice counters. For a commercial free Raw, the last 25 minutes of that PPV were really intense and the crowd was super hot for it.

 

[DMczaf]

So Vince has turned the WWE Network Pre-Show into WBF 2014

 

[Verendus]

At least Reigns / Lesnar would be Lesnar fighting someone new.

Cena is going to have a different coloured shirt in January, so it's like a new gimmick for him. That could count. You could say Lesnar beat three different versions of Cena, and Roman Reigns is the evolved form of the human species that comes after Cena. The first of his kind.

 

[imBask]

why are you guys saying Lesnar vs Reigns at WM? Cena is Lesnar's next opponent, and Sheamus also has a "title match" for winning his match against big show I think?

Cena vs Sheamus at WM confirmed

 

[plagiarize]

why are you guys saying Lesnar vs Reigns at WM? Cena is Lesnar's next opponent, and Sheamus also has a "title match" for winning his match against big show I think?

Cena vs Sheamus at WM confirmed

They did a no contest on Sheamus vs Big Show so no one got a title shot.

I'd happily watch Sheamus vs Lesnar though. Sheamus has been putting in good ring work lately.

 

[TheWarrior]

why are you guys saying Lesnar vs Reigns at WM? Cena is Lesnar's next opponent, and Sheamus also has a "title match" for winning his match against big show I think?

Cena vs Sheamus at WM confirmed

before going in for his

Spoiler

gynecomastia

surgery Reigns was booked like he already had the belt. I think the assumed way it plays out is Reigns being the "superman" who can finally defeat the beast incarnate.

 

[imBask]

before going in for his

Spoiler

gynecomastia

surgery Reigns was booked like he already had the belt. I think the assumed way it plays out is Reigns being the "superman" who can finally defeat the beast incarnate.

I know i'm just trying to pretend it's not gonna happen and that the Rumble si going to be surprising.

 

[Son Of D]

Doesn't Orton still have a title shot since he never got his rematch after losing the belt at Mania? Or was his Money in the Bank entry supposed to be that shot?

Edit: Wait, never mind. Forgot that the stipulation at HiaC for Cena/Orton was that it was a #1 Contender's Match. So Orton probably lost his shot there.

 

[FallingEdge]

So Vince has turned the WWE Network Pre-Show into WBF 2014

fantastico

 

[TheWarrior]

I know i'm just trying to pretend it's not gonna happen and that the Rumble si going to be surprising.

Last night was surprising. So maybe there is some hope.

 

[Terrabyte20xx]

The Rumble is in Philly again, so you just imagine the reaction that Reigns would get, he'd be booed almost as badly as Batista.

If they don't screw Ziggler up by the Rumble, I could even see there being a repeat of last years rumble, except replace D-bry with Ziggler.

 

[Sibersk Esto]

You guys all know Ziggler getting "pushed" is because he can sell a beating enough for the crowd to get sympathetic right? You're looking at his apex right now, it's all downhill from here

 

[imBask]

I still think they should tease D.Bry at the Rumble and have Batista come out as #40, under the yes chants

nuclear heat

 

[Fox318]

I still think they should tease D.Bry at the Rumble and have Batista come out as #40, under the yes chants

nuclear heat

They should have done that at 30 with someone

 

[imBask]

They should have done that at 30 with someone

Rey Mysterio? :3

 

[Fox318]

You guys all know Ziggler getting "pushed" is because he can sell a beating enough for the crowd to get sympathetic right? You're looking at his apex right now, it's all downhill from here

 

[Verendus]

I still think they should tease D.Bry at the Rumble and have Batista come out as #40, under the yes chants

nuclear heat

Yes, and have Batista win for the third time, and go on to face Brock Lesnar at Wrestlemania 31.

I can get behind this idea for sure.

 

[Terrabyte20xx]

I am going to save that just in case they don't screw this up.

They will, but still...

 

[Sephzilla]

Batista / Lesnar at WrestleMania 31 might surpass Goldberg / Lesnar as the "these wrestlers are phoning it in" match of the forever.

 

[imBask]

Yes, and have Batista win for the third time, and go on to face Brock Lesnar at Wrestlemania 31.

I can get behind this idea for sure.

nah, he gets the nuclear heat and then Reigns goes over him and "everyone" is happy

 

[Sephzilla]

You know, this is why I fucking hate modern WWE.

Ziggler being the sole survivor after being down 3-1 should be the ultimate shot of adrenaline that propels him to an upper card spot in WM31. But I can't fully buy into it anymore because the thought in the back of my head is that WWE is going to fuck it up just like they have the last few times Ziggler gets any momentum.

 

[Verendus]

Batista / Lesnar at WrestleMania 31 might surpass Goldberg / Lesnar as the "these wrestlers are phoning it in" match of the forever.

Why would they phone it in when it's the main event of Wrestlemania? They'd probably put on the best match they've ever had. Probably the best ever at the event itself.

This is the problem these days, and it's why some are even against Reigns. No one believes anymore. Thankfully Roman is setting things straight slowly.

 

[Macho Madness]

Not getting enough of a reaction the first time, Roman Reigns says "Do you wanna know what I'm gonna do?" a second time.

 

[Fox318]

Not getting enough of a reaction the first time, Roman Reigns says "Do you wanna know what I'm gonna do?" a second time.

Slash is a wrestler? Where is his hat?

 

[Mr. Luchador]

I'm confused why people didn't like Sting's debut, I thought it was pretty good and nicely paced (all things considered). HHH did the sell well, and it was nice to see him play it the complete polar opposite of how he reacted to Cactus Jack.

 

[Fox318]

I'm confused why people didn't like Sting's debut, I thought it was pretty good and nicely paced (all things considered). HHH did the sell well, and it was nice to see him play it the complete polar opposite of how he reacted to Cactus Jack.

• music sucked
• Commentary sucked
• No bat
• Not coming down from the rafters

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

I'm confused why people didn't like Sting's debut, I thought it was pretty good and nicely paced (all things considered). HHH did the sell well, and it was nice to see him play it the complete polar opposite of how he reacted to Cactus Jack.

Reality never lives up to the fantasy. I thought it was great.

 

[Hasney]

I'm confused why people didn't like Sting's debut, I thought it was pretty good and nicely paced (all things considered). HHH did the sell well, and it was nice to see him play it the complete polar opposite of how he reacted to Cactus Jack.

It just ended up as an old man in facepaint walking to the ring without his iconic theme or even a baseball bat.

Probably would have been much more fun if we didn't know it was coming.

Honestly could have been Orton and I would have had the same reaction in the context of the main event.

 

[Bowser]

• music sucked
• Commentary sucked
• No bat
• Not coming down from the rafters

I liked the music, but I admit that I was never a big WCW fan so I honestly don't even know what his theme sounds like (blasphemy, I know).

Commentary, well, what can you do about that?

He should have had the bat, I agree.

He's too fat to come down from the rafters, plus budget cuts.

FWIW, I thought his debut was good and a pretty great moment.

 

[Hasney]

Commentary should have just been silent. Maybe one OH MY GOD, but that should be reserved to Joey Styles and Vince never wants them to shut up.

 

[Fox318]

I liked the music, but I admit that I was never a big WCW fan so I honestly don't even know what his theme sounds like (blasphemy, I know).

Commentary, well, what can you do about that?

He should have had the bat, I agree.

He's too fat to come down from the rafters, plus budget cuts.

FWIW, I thought his debut was good and a pretty great moment.

Vince is cutting himself a fat check for 30 mil a year.

The could have afforded it.