Principate
Saint Titanfall
I don't think you understood his post this is for July.
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NPD Sales Results for June 2014 [Up3: All Hardware (June/LTD), Top 10 Software SKUs]
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I don't think you understood his post this is for July.
I think you are correct, and I am a silly ninny....
JUNE
PS4 - 269k
XB1 - 197k
3DS - 152k
....as per Erland
Principate
Saint Titanfall
Fair mistake I double-taked initially also.
kinoki
Illness is the doctor to whom we pay most heed; to kindness, to knowledge, we make promise only; pain we obey.
What?!?
Can you remove the first two months from this chart and have them all start at 0 from the third month? I believe that the front loaded sales of PS4/XBO give an unfair impression of how well these are selling.
Based on internal sales surveys and not NPD. Their internal team was either off or MS PR for whatever reason decided double is good enough for a press release.
And cutting out the early adopters and assumed early adopters that were hindered by supply is fair? Just wait a little bit, you'll get your gloom and doom soon enough.
So with 269k, the PS4 sold ~ as much as the leader of the last gen in the US?
Thanks, was looking for this post.
Omotesando
Member
I don't see how PS4 is doing things much different then PS3 or 360, so in using that logic it should do at least aswell as those consoles. On top of that PS4 will probably not share his crib or cookies with another twin.
gundamkyoukai
Member
There is nothing unfair about it just each gen has it own context and we need to wait longer along with more data .
It could be said PS2 sales were high each month because it took longer for people to get there hands on it and it was only system worth buying then .
Well the leader would be the Wii and it selling less than that but if you use 360 it selling around the same but has bigger install base in the same time frame.
I don't see how it's unfair. It's a cumulative graph.
Selectively removing data doesn't make the data more fair.
postcyberpunk
Banned
Doesn't seem that great for either system. But maybe the Xbone is worse since the price parity. But there is shit-all for compelling content on both, too.
How in the hell is it unfair?
Suzushiiro
Banned
Why is it "unfair" that PS4/XB1 were front loaded? If Wii and PS2 weren't supply constrained they'd be front loaded too, and then you'd see similar "slumps" in the following spring/summer.
I'm so sorry that reality doesn't support the narrative you want to believe yet.
Looking at the XBO line that's looking pretty much near a flat-line with a slight upturn this month due to kinectless which will no-doubt be gone from next month. PS4 looks healthy but not stellar (as you say, very front loaded) but then it is selling much better than it's competition so I don't see why Sony need to be too concerned...and of course it has some big hitters to come over the next 6-12 months to help boost it.
I think he just mean to would give a fairer repersentation of how sales are going...if you look at XBO it's ahead of PS2 but clearly it's going to fall behind very soon...for me the first few months are really just too 'busy' with too many variables (shortages etc) whereas from month3 in things are clearer
And just like the PS2, the XB360 had a one year headstart as well. It was the only next-gen device you could buy in 2006.
The comparison with individual launch aligned console sales is flawed because you lose the context of market situation.
July and August are looking to be somewhat stagnant months as we roll on into September. Once September hits, I think we'll see a demonstrable PS4 and X1 boost from Destiny.
October is the month of - everything -, and November / December roll outs of the big hitters will seal the year. It'll be fun.
October is the month of - everything -, and November / December roll outs of the big hitters will seal the year. It'll be fun.
Amentallica
Unconfirmed Member
Can someone please provide the sales figures for PS3, 360, and Wii of each month from first year's launch until June. There is a particular comparison I want to make.
ethomaz
Banned
Well without the front loaded sales it could be selling more right now... for example Wii was just not front loaded due supply issues... without supply issues it could sell more in December and less in June for example.
So yeap you need to count the front loaded sales.
He said an unfair impression, which I think is a reasonable choice of words.
The impression it gives you is that one system is selling much better than it actually is in comparison to previous gens for many people. If you look at the slope of the graph -which is not only a better indicator of present sales but also of future sales trajectory- it tells a far different story, but I don't give the average viewer enough credit to expect him/her to intuitively appreciate the difference.
kinoki
Illness is the doctor to whom we pay most heed; to kindness, to knowledge, we make promise only; pain we obey.
Okay, I'll pick this out of all the replies.
I don't have a narrative. I just wanted to get the big lump of initial sales out of the way and see how they aligned after release hype. I'm also aware that the comparison would be unfair to PS4/XBO since they'd lose a lot of consumers in the first year. I didn't intend for it to be a fair comparison, I just wanted to see the graph.
So with all the doom and gloom and backhanded compliments, Xbox One actually did almost triple of last months sales?
Well, lets see how the rest of the year plays out. Ps4 definitely has more momentum and Last of Us/Destiny will help the next few of months. But Microsoft looks to have stronger holiday titles with Sunset Overdrive, Forza, and Halo, and Call of Duty advertising. Wonder if they'll take some mindshare back.
Well, lets see how the rest of the year plays out. Ps4 definitely has more momentum and Last of Us/Destiny will help the next few of months. But Microsoft looks to have stronger holiday titles with Sunset Overdrive, Forza, and Halo, and Call of Duty advertising. Wonder if they'll take some mindshare back.
Opus Angelorum
Member
Please tell me this is a joke. Niche?
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Doing this in your mind is so hard, only the true Sales-Age elite can do this.
This is not intended as a serious forecast, it's intended to poke fun at the notion that people can't extrapolate simple lines in their mind.
I fear this generation is going to see a huge to medium decline in hardware sales. Reaching out to those Wii owners who bought the Wii because of Wii Sports/Fit etc is going to be a challenge. The Bone and the PS4 thus far is mostly reaching out to the hardcore, while the Wii U is only reaching out to Nintendo fans. I remember back in the PS2 days and one of the reasons as to why the PS2 ended up selling the most in Europe was because of Singstar and Buzz.
Could VR be new thing that will catch the none hardcores? Because right now, the people who bought PS2s for Buzz and Singstar and Wiis for Sports and Fit are more than happy with their iPhone and iPad games. I don't see them buying home consoles again unless there's something huge that will attract them.
Could VR be new thing that will catch the none hardcores? Because right now, the people who bought PS2s for Buzz and Singstar and Wiis for Sports and Fit are more than happy with their iPhone and iPad games. I don't see them buying home consoles again unless there's something huge that will attract them.
Let's say by exemple every American has bought a PS4 day 1, every single one of them. So after that, sales are pretty much non existent. Would a graph without the launch period be fairer than a graph with it? Context is everything. If you have sold X consoles, that's pretty much X consoles you can't sell anymore.
ethomaz
Banned
I think the PS4 will be a little more high due Destiny release and XB1 more low due at no more Kinectless effect.Doing this in your mind is so hard, only the true Sales-Age elite can do this.
I'm looking at these numbers in the next three months:
July: XB1 130k / PS4 220k
August: XB1 110k / 200k
September: XB1 160k / 350k
Of course it is too early to predict and I will change it with need releases in next months.
Suzushiiro
Banned
Except the front-loading is most likely the sole reason why sales are so slow now- the early adopter crowd that usually buys new consoles over the first year or so mostly bought in the first three months, whereas the "wait for more games/a price drop" crowd is waiting just like they've always been.
There are plenty of month-on-month comparisons to 2001/2006/2007 thrown around in these threads that you can use if you want to claim that consoles are doomed. A graph of LTD sales should show LTD sales, though, not LTD sales excluding the months that make your pre-conceived narrative look wrong. That's some Fox News-level shit you people want to pull.
I doubt any upsell from the mobile market will enter the console market. Mobile actually has more in common with PCs than consoles in that PC has a primarily digital market like the mobile market has and PCs have a form of pointer control in the mouse akin to the touchscreen. It'd be as weird for them to move away from a pointer based interface to controllers as it would be for console gamers to move away from controllers to embrace a mouse and keyboard or a touchscreen. In addition, the PC is most likely to have more robust games in the genres mobile users would likely love which I assume would naturally involve using a pointer interface.
Freeman
Banned
If the PS4 does so well in a month like this I assume it's sales are going to explode in September with the Destiny bundle. The window of opportunity MS will have to sell more than the PS4 will be of about 2 months and they are unlikely to pull it off.
The way is paved for PS4 domination, 2015 is going to be huge for it with Bloodborne, The Order 1886, MGSV, FF XV, Uncharted 4 and more.
The way is paved for PS4 domination, 2015 is going to be huge for it with Bloodborne, The Order 1886, MGSV, FF XV, Uncharted 4 and more.
Fallout-with-swords
Banned
That doesn't make any sense. Them being front loaded effects sales in the following months. You need launch in mind to understand how they are selling.
Amentallica
Unconfirmed Member
Quoting myself because I really, really would appreciate this. I want to add my own graph which I hope will be insightful.
Davey Cakes
Member
TW101's struggles were to be expected. New IP, very niche, on a struggling platform with nearly zero marketing.
Nintendo's efforts to promote Bayonetta 2 are FAR better. I hope that game sees success where TW101 saw complete and utter failure.
Nintendo's efforts to promote Bayonetta 2 are FAR better. I hope that game sees success where TW101 saw complete and utter failure.
It probably won't tbh. I mean it won't sell as catastrophically. But not that much better in terms of absolute units.
kinoki
Illness is the doctor to whom we pay most heed; to kindness, to knowledge, we make promise only; pain we obey.
I did some thinking. What I really want is the January-June sales of the first full year they've been out.
