Well, sure, just as there are likely some iOS gamers getting in to dedicated handhelds after starting off on iOS.
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NPD Sales Results for June 2014 [Up3: All Hardware (June/LTD), Top 10 Software SKUs]
- Thread starter Nirolak
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Well, sure, just as there are likely some iOS gamers getting in to dedicated handhelds after starting off on iOS.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
PS4 June 14 : 270k
360 June 07: 198k
360 June 06 : 277k (360 was the only next gen console at the time)
360 June 08 : 219k
360 June 09 : 240k
360 June 10 : 451k (Slim introduced)
360 June 11 : 507k
Even more impressive is that PS4 is keeping up with 360's pace despite the difference in LTD's:
360 : 2003k ( no PS3 or Wii, they launched in 07)
PS4 : 3573k
In addition 360 had a SKU at $299.99 while PS4 has only one at $399.99.
The Wii comparisons were never going to hold since the Wii had an explosive start and then an implosive collapse. Playstation consoles have always been about the long run and the PS4 was never going to attract the casual audience to achieve such explosive sales in the short term.
If PS4 keeps up with 360 through its life, a massive if, it would be a huge success. After all 360 will be the number 1 console last gen soon (iirc).
Its too early to call if PS4 will sell like the 360 or not but right now its evidently doing very well.
Jan - June
360 2006 - 1396k
PS4 2014 - 1598k
360 June 07: 198k
360 June 06 : 277k (360 was the only next gen console at the time)
360 June 08 : 219k
360 June 09 : 240k
360 June 10 : 451k (Slim introduced)
360 June 11 : 507k
Even more impressive is that PS4 is keeping up with 360's pace despite the difference in LTD's:
360 : 2003k ( no PS3 or Wii, they launched in 07)
PS4 : 3573k
In addition 360 had a SKU at $299.99 while PS4 has only one at $399.99.
The Wii comparisons were never going to hold since the Wii had an explosive start and then an implosive collapse. Playstation consoles have always been about the long run and the PS4 was never going to attract the casual audience to achieve such explosive sales in the short term.
If PS4 keeps up with 360 through its life, a massive if, it would be a huge success. After all 360 will be the number 1 console last gen soon (iirc).
Its too early to call if PS4 will sell like the 360 or not but right now its evidently doing very well.
Jan - June
360 2006 - 1396k
PS4 2014 - 1598k
There is no doubt the PS4 will dominate this generation. This has been known for many months now. The question really is can the PS4 sell enough to carry console gaming on its own. The Wii:U and Xbone are going to be a very distant second and 3rd. I don't see both combined selling 60 million this generation. That leaves the PS4 needing to sell well over 120 million just to get back to the hardware sales of the PS2 generation.
What if, after the first few months, the systems did not prove to be front loaded and the sales in the first few months were the norm?
Generally though I agree that the goal is clearly to produce a negative view of the situation, and I don't really think a look without the starting few months is especially meaningful. On the other hand, some people are trying to create graphs on the opposite end which exclude the Wii from the analysis and make the picture look as rosy as possible.
I personally endorse looking primarily/exclusively at straight gen-over-gen comparisons, as they are most likely to represent the health of the console market as a whole. Don't exclude systems because they are bad for your more positive argument, don't exclude the first few months because they're bad for your negative one.
Ahhh!! Your comment is a perfect example of how these figures are misleading for most people.
The current consoles have been on the market for about 8 months now - from late November to mid July. If your theory was correct then you're implying that LTD sales would have been comparable if instead they launched from February to October. I'm sure if you'd agree that's a fairly silly proposition.
Although there is going to be SOME overlap, in general the crowd that buys a launch console in November and the crowd that buys one in June are not the same group of people. The very reason holiday sales are so high is because people are buying them for other people who may or may not have been willing to purchase one themselves. In a nutshell because demand is artificially inflated.
They're perfectly legitimate sales but it's also misleading for most people.
Suzushiiro
Banned
Which is basically the same thing- you want to exclude the months where the current gen sold significantly more just so the data supports your pre-conceived narrative that the current gen is selling worse and console gaming is doomed.
Cygnus X-1
Member
Just 10k off - not bad.
You'd think that a consumer would stop buying the same product after it breaks every time.
Xbox is the be all for him though. He simply doesn't give a shit about Playstation, PC or Wii - and to be honest I can't understand why. He says he hates Playstation, laughs off the Wii and simply ignores PC. Probably something to do with the 3 or 4 people on XBL who he's never met before.
Suzushiiro
Banned
Of course numbers wouldn't be as high if they had launched outside of the holidays, because they wouldn't have gotten the "double bump" of launch sales and holiday sales.
I'm not sure why the hell you think it's more realistic that a fair number of people who bought 360s, PS2s, and PS3s in their first spring/summer decided not to buy a PS4/XBone at all rather than buy one last November/December. Launch prices were low (relatively speaking,) supplies were high, and most of the big releases of the season were cross-gen, so of course a lot of the people who normally wait a few months would buy on day one.
Isleofsancroy
Banned
M°°nblade;121579054 said:
I remember buying a PS2 in 2006 but ok.
Amentallica
Unconfirmed Member
Your link doesn't work. :0
Isleofsancroy
Banned
I know someone who brought 3 PS3's as well really? BTW, back when the P3 barely had if any, a warranty.
I bought at least 3 PS1s very simple math for me. I had well over 50 games when the first died. It was spend 199.99 to buy a new system or have 2500 dollars in games rendered worthless. I also bought 3 NES same simple math at the time.
Come again?
Amentallica
Unconfirmed Member
360's RRODs were far more rampant, which I don't think is deniable.
Isleofsancroy
Banned
There are quite a few consoles were if you take off japanese sales they are still over 100 million so....
Isleofsancroy
Banned
They also had warrantys. Something the PS3 had at first next to none for. This also applies to the PS2, and they never counted warrantied Xbox replacements as sales.
Cornbread78
Member
It's on the Sales archive site on the front page.. The link worked for me, but there is a ton of info/history there.
Wow, it's like all the sales arguments from years past all over again...
"Well, you had 5 360's because of RROD, that why your sales numbers were so high"
"Well, at least I didn't have to buy 3 PS3's due to YLOD and your sales numbers still suck"
Just reminds me how happy I am the PS4 and XB1 have been so damn reliable thus far.... Kudos needs to go to both Hardware groups for that!
Isleofsancroy
Banned
Warranty is usually given to the consumer who purchases certain products. under this they are protected if something happens to their product, in this case, and electronic device. (Water damage usually excluded)
The RROD was also covered under a 3 Year Warranty and the vast majority of people got theirs repaired for free, which I don't think is deniable.
Isleofsancroy
Banned
Difference is that is not the argument being made, the argument being made is Xbox 360 had an extended warranty when the PS3 had next to none in comparison at first.
Isleofsancroy
Banned
Ok, now I'm done for real.
But it charted though. That's something I guess.
kinoki
Illness is the doctor to whom we pay most heed; to kindness, to knowledge, we make promise only; pain we obey.
I actually didn't know that was my narrative. I was actually thinking something else. Thank you for informing me. I'll include it in future posts.
I don't think gaming is doomed. I don't think this generation is selling worse. I think there is less software that's on the hardware and I think that outside of Japan it's a pretty stable market. With the software for the consoles in 2015 we'll see a boom in sales too.
I believe that games sell far more now since the consumer has more disposable income than it did two generations ago. We also see a bigger commitment from software to be cross-generation. So even if it sold less hardware we'd see a higher attach rate from games and it'd balance out.
Actually, I'm just interested in seeing how they'd align. I don't have an agenda.
I'm sipping some damn fine wine reading this.
South Park's performance is just icing on the cake.
269K / 197K apparently.
SDCowboy
Member
Thank you, sir. Those numbers are pretty crazy.
Bog
Junior Ace
They both launched in November 2006.
Yay, above the Gamecube for the first time ever!Alright updated through June
*click to enlarge*
Hopefully this graph isn't becoming info overload.
Cornbread78
Member
Same ideal, my fatty B/C 80gb PS3 got YLOD and they repaired/replaced it within 10 days for me, it did it a second time and they did it again. The system came with a 1 year warranty, which is the industry standard for all electronics. They later added the extended warrenties to the PSN store after all the YLOD problems started coming up. Late response, yes.. However, most people I know just shipped their system back to Sony instead of buying a new one because they were so quick in sending out replacements. On the other hand, my brother in-law decided to just buy a new 360 because the wait was sooo long to get a replacement.
At the end of the day, did ether really affect the over-all sales for either console? That is the greater point...
Like I said, I'm super happy you can purchase both of those current gen systems with confidence right now. Kudos goes out to both companies and the Foxcon employees working 20 hour days with no breaks and little to no money making them.
Tallshortman
Member
The ps3 had a full year warranty, as did the 360 for non rrod related issues.
The reason the 360 had the extended coverage for a while is because of its hilariously awful failure rate. The ps3 never had close to the same scale of problem and I'm sorry your ancesotal evidence doesn't change that.
Cornbread78
Member
Me too. From Wikipedia :
"The same month, electronics warranty provider SquareTrade published an examination of 1040 Xbox 360's and said that they suffered from a failure rate of 16.4% (one in six). Of the 171 failures, 60% were due to a general hardware failure (and thus fell under the 3 year extended warranty). And of the remaining 40% which were not covered by the extended warranty, 18% were disc read errors, 13% were video card failures, 13% were hard drive freezes, 10% were power issues and 7% were disc tray malfunctions"
Could be really huge. 1,000,000 a possibility?
"In May 2008 Microsoft announced that 10 million Xbox 360s had been sold and that it was the "first current generation gaming console" to surpass the 10 million figure in the US".
Cygnus X-1
Member
I think that DKCRTF's figures are doable.
Suzushiiro
Banned
My apologies, then.I actually didn't know that was my narrative. I was actually thinking something else. Thank you for informing me. I'll include it in future posts.
I don't think gaming is doomed. I don't think this generation is selling worse. I think there is less software that's on the hardware and I think that outside of Japan it's a pretty stable market. With the software for the consoles in 2015 we'll see a boom in sales too.
I believe that games sell far more now since the consumer has more disposable income than it did two generations ago. We also see a bigger commitment from software to be cross-generation. So even if it sold less hardware we'd see a higher attach rate from games and it'd balance out.
Actually, I'm just interested in seeing how they'd align. I don't have an agenda.
June to July prospects
MOM changes
360 PS3 Wii Wii U
0.74 1.606* 1.11 0.69
0.86 0.554** 0.83
0.93* 0.74 0.7
0.84 0.7 0.6
0.98 1.865 0.7
0.546 0.73 0.74
0.79 0.73 0.66
0.764
Weekly weeks changes
360 PS3 Wii Wii U
0.93 2* 1.39 0.863
1.073 0.693** 1.04
1.164* 0.924 0.874
1.053 0.88 0.75
1.227 0.67 0.87
0.683 0.897 0.92
0.987 0.914 0.825
0.955
360* = Xbox 360 20 Gig Price Drop (349$-299$)
PS3*= PS3 60 Gig Price Drop (599$-499$)
PS3**= the month after MGS4
MOM changes
360 PS3 Wii Wii U
0.74 1.606* 1.11 0.69
0.86 0.554** 0.83
0.93* 0.74 0.7
0.84 0.7 0.6
0.98 1.865 0.7
0.546 0.73 0.74
0.79 0.73 0.66
0.764
Weekly weeks changes
360 PS3 Wii Wii U
0.93 2* 1.39 0.863
1.073 0.693** 1.04
1.164* 0.924 0.874
1.053 0.88 0.75
1.227 0.67 0.87
0.683 0.897 0.92
0.987 0.914 0.825
0.955
360* = Xbox 360 20 Gig Price Drop (349$-299$)
PS3*= PS3 60 Gig Price Drop (599$-499$)
PS3**= the month after MGS4
aaronwt
Member
I just wish they would count the digital sales in the NPD numbers so we could get an idea of what the actual sales are. Unless MS, Sony, or Nintendo releases those numbers we have no idea what they actually are(like Nintendo did with Tomodachi Life and Mario Kart). All my game purchases on my PS4 and Xbox Ones are Digital Downloads so they will never be counted in the NPD numbers.
prag16
Banned
Seems like a good month for everybody when you come down to it. How much xbone and Wii U drop in July will be very interesting to see.
I asked the last two months and got no response; anybody with info mind sharing some LTD's on Wii U 3rd party titles? (I'm thinking Ghosts, AC4, Blacklist, Batman AO, etc) Yes, I'm a sadomasochist apparently. We always hear sales are "bad" and "horrible" but I don't recall ever getting any numbers for any of these, except maybe something awful like 10k opening for Blacklist..
I asked the last two months and got no response; anybody with info mind sharing some LTD's on Wii U 3rd party titles? (I'm thinking Ghosts, AC4, Blacklist, Batman AO, etc) Yes, I'm a sadomasochist apparently. We always hear sales are "bad" and "horrible" but I don't recall ever getting any numbers for any of these, except maybe something awful like 10k opening for Blacklist..
ethomaz
Banned
Gamescom... believe.