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[AnthonypUK]

Where did you see that?

And that means somewhere around 1m Xbox Ones were sold in.

http://www.vg247.com/2015/04/23/xbox-live-30-microsoft-q3-financials/

 

[theprodigy]

Where did you see that?

And that means somewhere around 1m Xbox Ones were sold in.

something something stop underestimating console sales

360 should be under 0.5m and One should be under 1m. So yes, anything above 1.5m will be very good and I'll be shocked.

(cue overshipments)

 

[Elandyll]

About the position on Amazon, supposedly they are going to receive new shipment of the base SKU this Friday.
They got a (probablty small) allocation yesterday, and this morning it showed "1 available" when I checked. Obviously it's gone now.

Funny thing is, the SKU of 1 console + Free TLOU is still available, but you have to click on a tab to get to it. I guess it's too complicated/ hidden for the average buyer?

On the (provisional) monthly April chart, the PS4 SKU is still quite a bit ahead but falling due to being sold out for the past week or so (for the main SKU):

#28: PS4
#45: XB1 MCC bundle
#54: XB1 ACU Bundle

 

[ZhugeEX]

something something stop underestimating console sales



(cue overshipments)

Well I don't think they horrendously over shipped but I don't exactly see how they didn't supply more than they needed to.

XB1 sold in 1.2m units this time last year coming out of a successful launch. It looks like it did over 1 million this quarter as well.

 

[Cthulhu_Steev]

About the position on Amazon, supposedly they are going to receive new shipment of the base SKU this Friday.
They got a (probablty small) allocation yesterday, and this morning it showed "1 available" when I checked. Obviously it's gone now.

Funny thing is, the SKU of 1 console + Free TLOU is still available, but you have to lick on a tab to get to it . I guess it's too complicated/ hidden for the average buyer?

On the (provisional) monthly April chart, the PS4 SKU is still quite a bit ahead but falling due to being sold out for the past week or so (for the main SKU):

#28: PS4
#45: XB1 MCC bundle
#54: XB1 ACU Bundle

lol

 

[ZhugeEX]

I doubt all those countries would make up 6_ million thought so It's probably that NA is higher than 2.2 if anything.

Your math isn't that good buddy.

2.2m+3.9m = 6.1m

10m-6.1m = 3.9m

Which means we know that outside USA/Japan we're looking at around 4 million+. Not 6 million as you said.

 

[Theodore Pewd]

You can't really make assumptions based on the results of the hourly charts.

As you suggested, waiting for the monthly charts to update is a wise idea.

I'm making it based off weekly (last week and now so far), and I also said in that post to wait till Monday for the monthly update.

 

[Theodore Pewd]

Your math isn't that good buddy.

2.2m+3.9m = 6.1m

10m-6.1m = 3.9m

Which means we know that outside USA/Japan we're looking at around 4 million+. Not 6 million as you said.

Or you forgot what you posted my good friend because you said north of 10 million.
But it's cool we'll just have to wait.

 

[ZhugeEX]

Or you forgot what you posted my good friend because you said north of 10 million.
But it's cool we'll just have to wait.

So how does north of 10 million = 12 million exactly?

There is a reason I said 4 million +. The + means higher than.

 

[Welfare]

Someone with access to numbers, how is the 360 performing this quarter (January - March) compared to last, in a % drop?

 

[MrNyarlathotep]

But that just talks about the average amount spent on developing a game, and doesn't really give any source for those estimates. If the average cost of developing a game has gone up, then I'd say that's indicative of the market's shift towards AAA-focused development, and largely abandoning the mid- and low-tier sub-markets. If GTA was the only game, then games would cost an "average" of $100M to develop. When everyone wants to be "the next GTA," then $100M will become the industry average. That doesn't mean that games are now harder to make than they used to be. It just means there's a trend towards providing tons of content. I also think the increase in multi-platform development last generation helped to increase "average" costs — across all games — fairly significantly.

The averages were mine, as the numbers given in that article were a spread; I'll repost them again.

During the PlayStation 2 console cycle, the average console game cost between $5 and $10 million to develop, a steep increase from the $800,000 to $1.7 million cost of developing for the original PlayStation. The average PlayStation 3 game, meanwhile, costs between $18.8 million and $28.2 million to develop

Given a spread of data is available, the narrowing range that is the result of the collapse of the mid-tier shouldn't need to be factored in when looking at historic development cost increases; the lowest budget titles and the highest budget titles all increase in cost proportionately, it doesn't actually matter that the top end budgets are double the low end budgets in any given generation.

 

[Theodore Pewd]

So how does north of 10 million = 12 million exactly?

There is a reason I said 4 million +. The + means higher than.

I wasn''t using decimals, I usually don't use them for estimates. So NA and Japan i saw as 5.

Also btw, turs out MS did ship over 1.6 million units after all. Probably because of Halo.

 

[Theodore Pewd]

About the position on Amazon, supposedly they are going to receive new shipment of the base SKU this Friday.
They got a (probablty small) allocation yesterday, and this morning it showed "1 available" when I checked. Obviously it's gone now.

Funny thing is, the SKU of 1 console + Free TLOU is still available, but you have to click on a tab to get to it. I guess it's too complicated/ hidden for the average buyer?

On the (provisional) monthly April chart, the PS4 SKU is still quite a bit ahead but falling due to being sold out for the past week or so (for the main SKU):

#28: PS4
#45: XB1 MCC bundle
#54: XB1 ACU Bundle

Well first you have to do the tab thing for the Xbox one as well. Tha's why the Halo MCC never passed the ACU bundle until Amazon put it on the main page for a week (video game main page.)

Now, the issue with the rest of your post is last week, and I was looking through the threads, PS4 was falling but it was still ahead on Amazon, this was last week, and there were quite a few comments mentioning it. Only in the last part of the week did the PS4 actually go under both Sku's. BUT if you check last weeks amazon WEEKLY charts the PS4 is below both. This is also the point in time that Amaxon last updated the monthly chart (otherwise the Xbox One version of BF pre-orders would have charted and the PS4 version was in the bottom 90-100.

Now until Monday when the monthly charts update we won't know for sure, but a possible explanation is that the increases Xbox One is gaining (depending on SKU) is increasing More than what the PS4 has been gaining, but was only on top last week due to cumulative sales in the hourly charts.

Of course we won;t know until later.

 

[Vena]

While there's a lot of arguing over development budgets, didn't The Order have a Super Bowl commercial run? That's roughly 4 million USD (assuming it only aired once, and assuming it met the average).

That's a lot of money on a singular commercial which is in and of itself part of a much larger marketing campaign that the game enjoyed. Now that campaign likely wasn't in the triple-digits of millions of USD, but it was likely is the mid-to-high double digits if you they had the capital to throw at a Super Bowl ad. Such things would indicate, to me, a high expectation from the title from Sony's end.

Spoiler

This game had a larger marketing budget than the entire WiiU library combined. >.>

 

[Sangetsu-II]

Well first you have to do the tab thing for the Xbox one as well. Tha's why the Halo MCC never passed the ACU bundle until Amazon put it on the main page for a week (video game main page.)

Now, the issue with the rest of your post is last week, and I was looking through the threads, PS4 was falling but it was still ahead on Amazon, this was last week, and there were quite a few comments mentioning it. Only in the last part of the week did the PS4 actually go under both Sku's. BUT if you check last weeks amazon WEEKLY charts the PS4 is below both. This is also the point in time that Amaxon last updated the monthly chart (otherwise the Xbox One version of BF pre-orders would have charted and the PS4 version was in the bottom 90-100.

Now until Monday when the monthly charts update we won't know for sure, but a possible explanation is that the increases Xbox One is gaining (depending on SKU) is increasing More than what the PS4 has been gaining, but was only on top last week due to cumulative sales in the hourly charts.

Of course we won;t know until later.

Why so much gibberish? Amazon only counts for like what? 5% of the market.

 

[serversurfer]

Well I don't think they horrendously over shipped but I don't exactly see how they didn't supply more than they needed to.

How are you defining that? They're still working through stock from Christmas.

The averages were mine, as the numbers given in that article were a spread; I'll repost them again.


Given a spread of data is available, the narrowing range that is the result of the collapse of the mid-tier shouldn't need to be factored in when looking at historic development cost increases; the lowest budget titles and the highest budget titles all increase in cost proportionately, it doesn't actually matter that the top end budgets are double the low end budgets in any given generation.

Read what you're quoting. (emphasis mine)

During the PlayStation 2 console cycle, the average console game cost between $5 and $10 million to develop, a steep increase from the $800,000 to $1.7 million cost of developing for the original PlayStation. The average PlayStation 3 game, meanwhile, costs between $18.8 million and $28.2 million to develop

But again, all we really need to look at are the team sizes, and they aren't that much larger than they were last generation for comparable games. They haven't doubled their staffs, so I see no reason to double their budgets, unless everyone gets a huge raise every generation.

 

[The Mad Draklor]

Well first you have to do the tab thing for the Xbox one as well. Tha's why the Halo MCC never passed the ACU bundle until Amazon put it on the main page for a week (video game main page.)

Now, the issue with the rest of your post is last week, and I was looking through the threads, PS4 was falling but it was still ahead on Amazon, this was last week, and there were quite a few comments mentioning it. Only in the last part of the week did the PS4 actually go under both Sku's. BUT if you check last weeks amazon WEEKLY charts the PS4 is below both. This is also the point in time that Amaxon last updated the monthly chart (otherwise the Xbox One version of BF pre-orders would have charted and the PS4 version was in the bottom 90-100.

Now until Monday when the monthly charts update we won't know for sure, but a possible explanation is that the increases Xbox One is gaining (depending on SKU) is increasing More than what the PS4 has been gaining, but was only on top last week due to cumulative sales in the hourly charts.

Of course we won;t know until later.

You're putting too much stock on Amazon as it only represents 5% of the US's sales. PS4 has been outselling the XBO on bigger retailers online such as Gamestop, Target, Walmart, and Best Buy for most of the month.

 

[Scientificreason]

Well first you have to do the tab thing for the Xbox one as well. Tha's why the Halo MCC never passed the ACU bundle until Amazon put it on the main page for a week (video game main page.)

Now, the issue with the rest of your post is last week, and I was looking through the threads, PS4 was falling but it was still ahead on Amazon, this was last week, and there were quite a few comments mentioning it. Only in the last part of the week did the PS4 actually go under both Sku's. BUT if you check last weeks amazon WEEKLY charts the PS4 is below both. This is also the point in time that Amaxon last updated the monthly chart (otherwise the Xbox One version of BF pre-orders would have charted and the PS4 version was in the bottom 90-100.

Now until Monday when the monthly charts update we won't know for sure, but a possible explanation is that the increases Xbox One is gaining (depending on SKU) is increasing More than what the PS4 has been gaining, but was only on top last week due to cumulative sales in the hourly charts.

Of course we won;t know until later.

Ps4 sku has been sold out on amazob bro, thats the only reason x1 is ahead.

 

[Theodore Pewd]

Ps4 sku has been sold out on amazob bro, thats the only reason x1 is ahead.

Ps4 was ahead last week, didn't bother reading the post you quoted I see.

 

[Theodore Pewd]

You're putting too much stock on Amazon as it only represents 5% of the US's sales. PS4 has been outselling the XBO on bigger retailers online such as Gamestop, Target, Walmart, and Best Buy for most of the month.

Target and WalMart have XO ahead.

 

[The Mad Draklor]

Target and WalMart have XO ahead.

Nope and an even bigger nope

 

[Theodore Pewd]

Nope and an even bigger nope

Your on the wrong page for both. WM has a console page, ill post that one later with a PC.

This is target: http://www.target.com/tdir/p/electronics/-/N-5xtg6/Nao-0/Ns-bestselling

 

[Ingueferroque]

Surprised with Battlefield..

 

[The Mad Draklor]

Your on the wrong page for both. WM has a console page, ill post that one later with a PC.

This is target: http://www.target.com/tdir/p/electronics/-/N-5xtg6/Nao-0/Ns-bestselling

Really... that page looks like a total mess. Why would I trust the clearly messier URL over the one that is clearly more organized?

 

[Theodore Pewd]

Really... that page looks like a total mess. Why would I trust the clearly messier URL over the one that is clearly more organized?

Your trying way to hard with this agenda. Well just have to wait till monthly updates on amazon for chart positions(not numbers.)

 

[The Mad Draklor]

Your trying way to hard with this agenda. Well just have to wait till monthly updates on amazon for chart positions(not numbers.)

Sorry, but the one with the agenda is you. That URL you provided is an utter clusterfuck of a page. I bet you were extremely surprised when I showed you that the PS4 is outselling the XBO on Target and Walmart.

 

[Chobel]

Your on the wrong page for both. WM has a console page, ill post that one later with a PC.

This is target: http://www.target.com/tdir/p/electronics/-/N-5xtg6/Nao-0/Ns-bestselling

It has Wii U selling better than XB1.

 

[The Mad Draklor]

It has Wii U selling better than XB1.

Oh yeah.... I just noticed that, too. Lol xD

 

[Theodore Pewd]

Sorry, but the one with the agenda is you. That URL you provided is an utter clusterfuck of a page. I bet you were extremely surprised when I showed you that the PS4 is outselling the XBO on Target and Walmart.

Looks like a clean page with pictures on the left to me. I'll just let you go.

Your like are wrong btw, and WalMart has a console page which ill post when I get to a PC.

Have a nice day.

 

[Theodore Pewd]

It has Wii U selling better than XB1.

Ok, and? It's the actual best sellers page for target regardless.

 

[stryke]

It has Wii U selling better than XB1.

yeah, got no idea what kind of page that is.

 

[The Mad Draklor]

Looks like a clean page with pictures on the left to me. I'll just let you go.

Your like are wrong btw, and WalMart has a console page which ill post when I get to a PC.

Have a nice day.

As Chobel pointed out, the Wii U is outselling the XBO if we go by your page. That draws a huge red flag. Whatever page you post for Walmart will likely be the same thing.

 

[Theodore Pewd]

As Chobel pointed out, the Wii U is outselling the XBO if we go by your page. That draws a huge red flag. Whatever page you post for Walmart will likely be the same thing.

Yesterday xone was ahead, your literally just spouting nonsense so ill just move you to the side.

I'll give you your last word.

 

[Theodore Pewd]

To be fair, the Wii U outsells the Xbox One in your link also.

Shhhh....

 

[theprodigy]

It has Wii U selling better than XB1.

To be fair, the Wii U outsells the Xbox One in your link also.

LOL

just stick to Amazon charts for your online searches guys

 

[The Mad Draklor]

yeah, got no idea what kind of page that is.

It looks extremely confusing and unorganized...

 

[Tigress]

Ok, and? It's the actual best sellers page for target regardless.

So you really expect us to believe the Wii U is selling better than the xbox one?

I'd say that puts serious doubt on if that page is ordered like you believe it is.

Or, alternatively, Wii U just suddenly managed to get a whole bunch of sales out of nowhere.

 

[The Mad Draklor]

To be fair, the Wii U outsells the Xbox One in your link also.

Well, what makes more sense? The Wii U outselling both the PS4 & XBO or the Wii U outselling the XBO, but not the PS4?

 

[Vena]

LOL

just stick to Amazon charts for your online searches guys

WiiU resurrection confirmed!

 

[The Last One]

How can the Ps4 be out os stock in amazon for so long? What a mess.

 

[Theodore Pewd]

Well, what makes more sense? The Wii U outselling both the PS4 & XBO or the Wii U outselling the XBO, but not the PS4?

Because listings don't change. Amazing the effort you put in. Oops forgot, have a nice day

 

[hawk2025]

We've gone from reading too much into Amazon charts we barely understand to reading Target and Walmart charts we don't understand at all.

Zhuge pls, save us.

 

[Scientificreason]

Because listings don't change. Amazing the effort you put in. Oops forgot, have a nice day

Wow man you are on a mission in this and the xbox shipment thread, I think you are a little panic'd. Also quite rude to folk here.

 

[Theodore Pewd]

So you really expect us to believe the Wii U is selling better than the xbox one?

I'd say that puts serious doubt on if that page is ordered like you believe it is.

Or, alternatively, Wii U just suddenly managed to get a whole bunch of sales out of nowhere.

The results change dude, come on. Yesterday Wii u was not ahead. All charts work like this...

 

[stryke]

How can the Ps4 be out os stock in amazon for so long? What a mess.

There's no point to keep stock of the standalone unit.

 

[The Mad Draklor]

Oh, it didn't meant that I think his link is better, I just found the whole situation funny.

Haha, yeah. I didn't notice it until you pointed it out xD From my personal observations earlier this month, the Wii U was behind the XBO from the Target link I provided. Kinda cool that it's actually ahead (for this retailer, at least).

 

[Theodore Pewd]

Wow man you are on a mission in this and the xbox shipment thread, I think you are a little panic'd. Also quite rude to folk here.

Keep trolling. I'll just leave you by yourself to do that.

 

[HORRORSHØW]

hindle, is that you???

 

[Theodore Pewd]

We've gone from reading too much into Amazon charts we barely understand to reading Target and Walmart charts we don't understand at all.

Zhuge pls, save us.

But the toys r us charts don't have xo or ps4 charting, only Wii u. Clearly this means something.

 

[The Mad Draklor]

Keep trolling. I'll just leave you by yourself to do that.

Yeah... you're getting quite aggressive with your posts. It's pretty much a given that despite the PS4 being out of stock on Amazon, it is still outselling the XBO at other major retailers. I don't know why you're extremely offended by that fact.