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Gen.Grievous
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You really think Nvidia didn't test this? Unless you're running with a crappy stock cooler (which I hope no sane person does with a budget to get a 3000 series card) or have an insane RAM overclock you will be fine.Hmm, took this screenshot from Gamers Nexus:
What it looks like that FE edition front fan is exhausting hot air right into the CPU tower, I guess FE is a no no for me as I'm using tower for my CPU's cooling.
Jack Videogames
Member
8GB on 1080p so the new 3070 and 3080 may struggle with ram if played at 4k
RPS says 4gb at 1080p, 8gb at 4K
Crysis Remastered PC requirements are finally here
The original Crysis was famous for melting PCs everywhere, but the PC requirements for its retooled successor Crysis Re…
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GHG
Gold Member
Sometimes these parts are predominantly tested on test benches unfortunately. The reason being is because they know that's how most reviewers and outlets test their cards when doing benchmarks. So some of the AIB's especially design coolers that will perform best in test bench situations, and that cooling "performance" doesn't always carry over when the same cooling solution is placed in an enclosed case.
In the event that the cooler is tested in a case it would be useful to know which case and what case fan configuration (along with what case fans were used rpms the fans were spinning at), but we never get told that information by the manufacturers.
So basically we have no idea what impact this new cooler will have on case temperatures, CPU temps and airflow until these things are in people's hands and can test them for themselves.
nightmare-slain
Gold Member
Hmm, took this screenshot from Gamers Nexus:
What it looks like that FE edition front fan is exhausting hot air right into the CPU tower, I guess FE is a no no for me as I'm using tower for my CPU's cooling.
i doubt this will affect your cooling/performance. if anything it might be 1-2C warmer. it's better to direct that warm air up through a fan to exhaust it than just push the warm air out into and around the case. the air flow will be more efficient and any added temperature on the CPU will be mitigated by the cooler case temp. if you're really worried then you'd put another intake directly infront of the CPU cooler (you should be doing this anyway...) to increase airflow. that image doesn't have a 3rd fan at the top front.
looking at the design of the FE it will do a better job of directing the airflow not just by the fan orientation but the solid metal around the fans. on the current FE cards the fans push the air out the sides but that just isn't possible on this card.
forgive my crude drawings but this is how my airflow is right now with a 2080 FE
and how it would be with a 3080 FE
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J3nga
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Well maybe it's designed specifically for AIO. I have Dark Rock 4 for my 3700x which isn't that hot, but those i7/i9 coffee/ice lake can reach some high temps, but then most probably are using AIO solutions for those CPU's.
GPU's exhaust some really hot air, I doubt it would just be 1-2c warmer. I'm not physicist, so I can't say for sure what impact it would have, but I think it's worthy keeping in mind if FE is one of your options.
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skneogaf
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RPS says 4gb at 1080p, 8gb at 4K
Crysis Remastered PC requirements are finally here
The original Crysis was famous for melting PCs everywhere, but the PC requirements for its retooled successor Crysis Re…
Crysis Remastered system requirements won't melt your PC
The spit-and-shine re-release is still scheduled to release Sep 19.
Edit.
They seem to have changed it now so thankfully
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Armorian
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i doubt this will affect your cooling/performance. if anything it might be 1-2C warmer. it's better to direct that warm air up through a fan to exhaust it than just push the warm air out into and around the case. the air flow will be more efficient and any added temperature on the CPU will be mitigated by the cooler case temp. if you're really worried then you'd put another intake directly infront of the CPU cooler (you should be doing this anyway...) to increase airflow. that image doesn't have a 3rd fan at the top front.
looking at the design of the FE it will do a better job of directing the airflow not just by the fan orientation but the solid metal around the fans. on the current FE cards the fans push the air out the sides but that just isn't possible on this card.
forgive my crude drawings but this is how my airflow is right now with a 2080 FE
and how it would be with a 3080 FE
In most GPUs other than blowers airflow works like this, so CPU fan is getting hot air anyway (I'm not sure about Nvidia FE 2xxx series, maybe it works as you discribed).
Agent_4Seven
Tears of Nintendo
It's all cool, but with DLSS2.0 and internal resolution sliders, there's really, really no need for native 4K monitors or screen resolution, with Nvidia's own DSR even there's no need for that.Agent_4Seven
As far as I am aware, there was no Async Compute in any of the games I've mentioned for example and in many other games too, same story with Vulkan. 2000 series only saw huge gains over Pascal in Async Compute / Vulkan heavy games.
Exactly. I don't care about RT and 2080 Super / 2080Ti pathetic performance gain over 1080Ti is... well, quite frankly not worth even $100-200, let alone $700-1500.
And here lies the problem. This game is 4 months away, there's no system requirements for each common resolution, FPS and settings, NVIDIA didn't show how well even current build of the game runs on 3080. We literally know nothing about how this game will perform on even currently available cards, let alone on 3000 series. So basially what you're doing is buying 3000 card in hope that it can run the game in whatever screen resolution, FPS and settings you want it to run. So you're basically gambling at this point and throwing your money at a "fix" for a possible problem and you don't know if you can even fix it with that "fix" or not. Idk, it's just the way I see it.
And what NVIDIA showed? DOOM effin' Eternal, a game which can run pefectly fine even on a potato PC with Ultra Nightmare settings in 1080p. What a fuckin' showing of a new "Flagship" GPU, bra-vo.
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skneogaf
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Gpu cooling has always been a little bit strange as founders edition used to suck in air and blow out the back of the case and non founders would just suck the heat off the heat sink into the case.
Its about time we've seen air be pushed through a heat sink which seems to be the best way for air flow although current motherboard designs may need to be redesigned if its going to be a standard in the future.
I remember linus doing a video where he used gpu pcie extension "things" and maybe some of us will need to use a lower slot with the extension so as to not over saturate the cpu cooler and or the ram modules.
Its about time we've seen air be pushed through a heat sink which seems to be the best way for air flow although current motherboard designs may need to be redesigned if its going to be a standard in the future.
I remember linus doing a video where he used gpu pcie extension "things" and maybe some of us will need to use a lower slot with the extension so as to not over saturate the cpu cooler and or the ram modules.
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GHG
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All this talk of GPU coolers and airflow makes me miss the simplicity of blower coolers. Unless you want to overclock the only downside of those coolers is noise. As long as its getting enough cool air it's all good, you don't need to worry out it dumping a shit load of hot air back into your case.
Nemesisuuu
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Ulysses 31
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Rikkori
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Gorgeous! Loving the workflow.
It's not really gambling because I know two very important things: a) I want a faster GPU than the one I have & b) I'm going to play Cyberpunk 2077 regardless. Therefore my options are constrained. AMD is out, because no DLSS & CUDA (which I want for other things). 3070 is out because 8 GB. 3090 is out because it's too expensive. Used GPUs are out because my local market sucks. So it's really down to - do I buy a 3080 10GB at launch or do I wait and hope the 20 GB launches before November? But then I probably won't want to pay the extra.
So as you can see, there's no gambling involve, just thinking.
Btw, you can't compare Turing vs Pascal to Turing vs Ampere, the change to arch is substantial and the 2xFP32 are the important part for the games I mentioned. This is why I say it's like Vega vs Pascal instead. And I would say they very well do use Async, all of them (at least all the Nixxes games for sure). Vulkan itself is meaningless, it's down to devs & their engine. I remember the issues with The Surge 2 switching to Vulkan and then a lot of people crying about how it's not running as well as Doom etc. and for them to go back to DX11 because The Surge 1 ran better. It's a mis-diagnosis of the situation to attribute so much good "optimisation" to the API rather than the developers & the goals and targets set.
Deus Ex: Mankind Divided - Yes (see Nixxes CEO GDC talk about DX12 switch for this, applies to SotTR too)
Quantum Break - Probably? (need to watch their nortlight engine talks again)
Horizon: Zero Dawn - Yes
Shadow of the Tomb Raider - Yes
Metro: Exodus - Yes
Detroit: Become Human - No idea
It's not really gambling because I know two very important things: a) I want a faster GPU than the one I have & b) I'm going to play Cyberpunk 2077 regardless. Therefore my options are constrained. AMD is out, because no DLSS & CUDA (which I want for other things). 3070 is out because 8 GB. 3090 is out because it's too expensive. Used GPUs are out because my local market sucks. So it's really down to - do I buy a 3080 10GB at launch or do I wait and hope the 20 GB launches before November? But then I probably won't want to pay the extra.
So as you can see, there's no gambling involve, just thinking.
Btw, you can't compare Turing vs Pascal to Turing vs Ampere, the change to arch is substantial and the 2xFP32 are the important part for the games I mentioned. This is why I say it's like Vega vs Pascal instead. And I would say they very well do use Async, all of them (at least all the Nixxes games for sure). Vulkan itself is meaningless, it's down to devs & their engine. I remember the issues with The Surge 2 switching to Vulkan and then a lot of people crying about how it's not running as well as Doom etc. and for them to go back to DX11 because The Surge 1 ran better. It's a mis-diagnosis of the situation to attribute so much good "optimisation" to the API rather than the developers & the goals and targets set.
Deus Ex: Mankind Divided - Yes (see Nixxes CEO GDC talk about DX12 switch for this, applies to SotTR too)
Quantum Break - Probably? (need to watch their nortlight engine talks again)
Horizon: Zero Dawn - Yes
Shadow of the Tomb Raider - Yes
Metro: Exodus - Yes
Detroit: Become Human - No idea
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Agent_4Seven
Tears of Nintendo
Just curious, which GPU do you have now / had before (if you already sold it)?
We'll see in about a week+ from now
Rikkori
Member
Just curious, which GPU do you have now / had before (if you already sold it)?
We'll see in about a week+ from now
RX480 now, Vega 64 before.
Agent_4Seven
Tears of Nintendo
In your case performance gain will be massive. I wish I could say that about myself and my 1080Ti with absolute certainty.
longdi
Banned
Thats a nice stock boost clocks, meaning 3080 is about 33TF in use.
Add a little OC, +100mhz with faster louder fan speeds , it should run 2.02ghz, making it a 35.2TF card.
A 3080 is as powerful as SeX + PS5 + One X + PS4 Pro + PS4 + One combined
Oh and dont buy FE if you want to add a water block later...damn son!
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Md Ray
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Not really. TFLOPs are irrelevant.A 3080 is as powerful as SeX + PS5 + One X + PS4 Pro + PS4 + One combined
I thought this was obvious by now.
2080 Ti: 14.3 TFlops
3070: 20.4 TFlops
By looking at NVIDIA's own perf numbers you get 2080 Ti performing the same as 3070 more or less with 30% fewer TFlops. Or 3070 performs the same as 2080 Ti more or less even though it has got ~43% more TFlops than 2080 Ti. By your logic, shouldn't 3070 be ~43% more powerful than 2080 Ti?
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nemiroff
Gold Member
Hmm, took this screenshot from Gamers Nexus:
What it looks like that FE edition front fan is exhausting hot air right into the CPU tower, I guess FE is a no no for me as I'm using tower for my CPU's cooling.
Ok, but you didn't tell us GN's thoughts about it. So what did they say?
J3nga
Member
Timestamped it
He didn't say anything specifically, a guy that overclocks CPU's using nitrogen unlikely fan of the tower coolers, maybe it simply slipped off his mind I really don't know. It looks like a good cooling solution IF using AIO since a lot of the heat is exhausted rather than being trapped under the backplate, I assume memory will see big decrease in temperature. It's just I don't think feeding your tower with hot air is the best thing in the world. Testing will tell I guess.
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nemiroff
Gold Member
Thanks. I watched the entire segment. Their conclusion: Not necessarily a bad thing, not necessarily a good thing.. Literally on a case by case basis.
I still have no idea what to go for. Right now, it's ROG Strix, Gaming Trio or FE. If we don't get reviews and benchmarks before launch, it's either going to be a lottery or 2021 (they will sell out quickly).. Scary times, lol
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J3nga
Member
Well embargo for FE drops on 14th(that's 3 days before the launch), partner cards on 17th(launch date), so you'll have time to weight pros and cons of each.
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nemiroff
Gold Member
But will (pre-)ordering be off the table until release..?
J3nga
Member
I don't know and NVIDIA didn't specify, you can sign up on NVIDIA to be notified once the sales go live, will that be before the 17th or on it, yet to be seen
pesaddict
Banned
Ouch !
www.kotaku.com.au
Nvidia's Founders Edition RTX 3090, 3080, 3070 GPUs Won't Be Sold In Australia [Update: Nvidia Backflips]
Nvidia's Founders Edition GPUs -- the RTX 3090, 3080 and 3070 -- won't be sold in Australia, the company confirmed to Kotaku Australia.
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CrustyBritches
Gold Member
I like the look of the new EVGA cards. The curves and offset fan of the 3070 LED model are more appealing than the regular black, but I would probably disable the lighting I'm kind of OD'd on that stuff lately.
GHG
Gold Member
I like the look of the new EVGA cards. The curves and offset fan of the 3070 LED model are more appealing than the regular black, but I would probably disable the lighting I'm kind of OD'd on that stuff lately.
Really dislike the EGVA cards on the whole this time round. The red plastic present on all of their cards pisses me off, it's too opinionated. I don't unerstand why they couldn't keep their cards colour neutral like they have in previous generations.
grfunkulus
Banned
Recommended. I'm sure with a good 650 supply (RMX 650 by corsair) and only running games without a lot of additional drives/rgb/etc...you can get away with it. My current build is showing 460 something with a 9700k and 2080. The 3080 could be maybe 100 watts higher. Lower if I undervolt the GPU which I do because it reduces heat and barely affects performance if you do it right. I'll sacrifice the cpu overclock or turn it down a bit. The noctua cooler will be working overtime to keep the cpu cool with the founders cooler design anyway
So, I'll probably be at ~550 peak which isn't the ideal of 70% but it's not 95 or something crazy either.
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skneogaf
Member
I'm definitely looking for one with more than one hdmi out as I've lost the ability to use my USB-C adapter that I used for my oculus rift.
I've found the Asus and gigabyte cards support more than one.
The amount of ram on the 3090 has made me think about game developers not utilising the excessive amount of ram we have in a pc's like system ram or vram.
I've found the Asus and gigabyte cards support more than one.
The amount of ram on the 3090 has made me think about game developers not utilising the excessive amount of ram we have in a pc's like system ram or vram.
DeaDPo0L84
Member
I think its either FE or Asus Strix for me. If the Asus goes up for preorder a few days before the 17th i'll just go that route. All the rest of the cards are terrible.
BluRayHiDef
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BluRayHiDef
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Unknown Soldier
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I really hope they release the Marbles demo so people can play with it.
00_Zer0
Member
I have a Microcenter near me and I texted them on their customer support line about availability of the 3080's on the 17th and this was their reply:
"We do not have an estimated arrival date at this time. I would recommend checking our website for any updates."
I know that I can see the inventory at my local store when they decide to post it, but I don't know if I want to take a chance with them when they might not have the card I want. My first choice is a FE card which may be scarce, who knows?
I signed up on the Nvidia's site to be notified when I can order it from them, but I worry about their website crashing once it goes up for sale.
I also signed up for notifations on nowinstock.net and gearinstock.com to be notified when the 3080 will be available. I am not sure how reliable these two sites are or if they are a scam. Does anyone else know of any legit item tracker sites?
I'm pretty much trying to cover all my bases to get the 3080 on launch day before they are all sold out.
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CrustyBritches
Gold Member
Like BluRayHiDef was saying, they do have the XC3 as well, but I'm more into the curves and offset fan look of the FTW3. Of course, the look of the actual card isn't the most important factor, but depending on the case you have it can matter. I have the ThermalTake Core V21 with mobo in horizontal position, and placed on the table where it's visible anytime I'm using it, so I don't mind a good-looking card.
