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[DenchDeckard]

Yeah, it's looking like COVID GPU pricing part 2.

What's funny is everybody going off on the projected Steam Machine pricing. At the rate everything might be going a $699 Steam Machine might look like a steal in early 2026. I'm "looking forward" to seeing the next Xbox increase. Sony looks to have hoarded enough to keep PS5 pricing stable.

Does Sony sit on a years worth of stock, do we know?

Its great that they're currently blitzing through the stock they put into retailers at a super low black Friday price but it is going to be interesting to see how they weather this.

The ps5 might have to go up by 100 to 200 dollars on its MSRP minimum and that's just right now. If it continues to get worse....

 

[negator2vc]

Average big publisher:

Reality as I said will force them. Or they will follow Ubisoft

 

[negator2vc]

They'll just tell you to turn the settings down.

At first they could do that BUT if this continue a few more years or even a decade they will be forced to change their tune.

 

[ChuckeRearmed]

This deal is getting worse all the time
Surely these global shortages can't continue? First Crypto, then Covid, now AI, what next...

Death of course.

When there will be not enough memory, I wonder if storage prices will go bananas.

Also my 128 GB RAM + 5090 earlier this year was a good decision.

With memory shortage I wonder if game optimizations will make a comeback?

 

[jm89]

Does Sony sit on a years worth of stock, do we know?

Its great that they're currently blitzing through the stock they put into retailers at a super low black Friday price but it is going to be interesting to see how they weather this.

The ps5 might have to go up by 100 to 200 dollars on its MSRP minimum and that's just right now. If it continues to get worse....

If ps5 is going up by that much steam machine is going up aswell possibly even higher. Valve will want a profit on there machine, whilst Sony will still subsidise.

 

[UnrealEck]

Lmao look at the state of nvidia and pc gaming.

The master race indeed

I am also Sony Corp's number 1 fan.

 

[Sticks]

Sticks is praising this rumor

Just bought a 5070TI. Praise be!

 

[DenchDeckard]

If ps5 is going up by that much steam machine is going up aswell possibly even higher. Valve will want a profit on there machine, whilst Sony will still subsidise.

Well, yeah. Everythings going up. I cant see how it wont. Unless you are sat on like 12 months of stock minimum. And then why wouldnt you put the prices up and make more profit?

 

[Buggy Loop]

Just bought a 5070TI. Praise be!

It's an amazing card for performances vs the price. Mine also undervolted like a dream.

 

[Buggy Loop]

Average big publisher:

If it's long lasting the memory issue it will also impact consoles, either in quantity or price.

Pretty sure if devs have to work with less than expected memory pools, suddenly neural texture compression will be used everywhere

 

[ChuckeRearmed]

If it's long lasting the memory issue it will also impact consoles, either in quantity or price.

Higher prices, less memory. Problem is solved

 

[JimmyRustler]

Average big publisher:

Carmack said once the he liked the old days because the hardware limitations forced them to be more creative with their programming. Maybe something like this will indeed make a comback because better hardware will be so expensive that it would be litereally pointless to make something for it. So in order to stand out graphically devs will have to get more creative again and not just push boundaries and then have customers buy new hardware to keep up with it.

Only time will tell.

 

[roosnam1980]

Just bought a 5070TI. Praise be!

Article:

Source: https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/gpus/nvidia-explains-the-missing-rops-defective-silicon-in-0-5-percent-of-rtx-5090-and-5070-ti-gpus

 

[Edgelord79]

It already affected Steam Machine my guy, that's why it's $700 with 8GB of GDDR6 (last-gen memory).

Was this confirmed by Steam or are you basing this off a rumor?

 

[Hohenheim]

It's an amazing card for performances vs the price. Mine also undervolted like a dream.

Definitly !
I have a 5090 in my main PC and a 5070 TI in my "console PC" which is connected to the TV in the living room. The difference in performance is actually not very huge when overclocking/undervolting and using dlss (and disabling high level ray / path tracing)

 

[Sticks]

Article:

Source: https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/gpus/nvidia-explains-the-missing-rops-defective-silicon-in-0-5-percent-of-rtx-5090-and-5070-ti-gpus

I assume its fixed by now and I got an Asus. But I will check it out, thanks for reminding.

 

[Panajev2001a]

Carmack said once the he liked the old days because the hardware limitations forced them to be more creative with their programming. Maybe something like this will indeed make a comback because better hardware will be so expensive that it would be litereally pointless to make something for it. So in order to stand out graphically devs will have to get more creative again and not just push boundaries and then have customers buy new hardware to keep up with it.

Only time will tell.

I mean, I would like for that to happen. If RAM becomes this scarce then HW design will change and coders will have to adapt.

Think of bigger SRAM pools as first level of the hierarchy (L01/L1/L2) and back to big bad high bandwidth eDRAM (128-512 MB as L3), slower cheaper to obtain in volume DRAM connected with wider parallelism / wider busses (also what AI likes) and HW mechanisms like SFS/PRT+ (as well as manual data streaming) moving data back and forth.

I do expect in such a scheme the priority is to keep everything compressed as densely as possibly up until use. CPU and GPU essentially having HW support for compressed data processing).

Welcome back PS2 .

 

[wolffy66]

I think these prices are gonna be AI data center dependent. And these guys are gonna build as many centers as they possibly can. Its just a matter of if they build at a pace that leaves something for gaming or the need for the data centers exceeds what's available. Of course there will be some hardware available but its gonna be pricey for gaming.

Theres a lot that goes into building them beyond just the processing power obviously. But they are definitely going to crank as many as they possibly can because its just a big chase for computing power. And none of them fan afford to fall behind. This whole Ai thing is getting crazy already

 

[hououinkyouma00]

Does Sony sit on a years worth of stock, do we know?

Its great that they're currently blitzing through the stock they put into retailers at a super low black Friday price but it is going to be interesting to see how they weather this.

The ps5 might have to go up by 100 to 200 dollars on its MSRP minimum and that's just right now. If it continues to get worse....

Well I guess they bought up stock of memory chips and other stuff ahead of time according to rumors.

 

[Xbox 360 slim]

Lol, why is every console fanboy trying to take jabs at PC gaming. Do you think your playboxes don't use RAM?

 

[DenchDeckard]

Well I guess they bought up stock of memory chips and other stuff ahead of time according to rumors.

I don't know how they did vrs everyone else. But good on them if that's true

 

[DenchDeckard]

Lol, why is every console fanboy trying to take jabs at PC gaming. Do you think your playboxes don't use RAM?

It's the latest from the console fans I think. They seem to think this is just pc because that's who it hits first.

Sony, MS and Nintendo will probably be in complete panic stations right now.

 

[Xyphie]

Headline prediction: "Chinese sellers stripping Japanese-only PS5s for parts."

Inevitable to happen, the GDDR6 is about half the cost of that system. Rest can be sold to repair centers etc.

 

[draliko]

next gen prices are gonna be wild... AI is a bubble but a different kind of bubble, prices never gonna be back to normal, interesting times ahead for sure

 

[Buggy Loop]

Article:

Source: https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/gpus/nvidia-explains-the-missing-rops-defective-silicon-in-0-5-percent-of-rtx-5090-and-5070-ti-gpus

That's been resolved a long time ago

He can always check the ROP count but I really doubt it's not gonna be 100%

 

[YCoCg]

prices never gonna be back to normal

We've been saying that since 2017

 

[StereoVsn]

Well, yeah. Everythings going up. I cant see how it wont. Unless you are sat on like 12 months of stock minimum. And then why wouldnt you put the prices up and make more profit?

For Sony the main profit is from 30% cut and PSN. The more people they get into ecosystem the more cash they can extract. Hardware profit is incidental really, they just don't want to take a big hit on subsidies.

 

[StereoVsn]

It's the latest from the console fans I think. They seem to think this is just pc because that's who it hits first.

Sony, MS and Nintendo will probably be in complete panic stations right now.

MS is part of the issue on the datacenter side, lol. Satya is all in on AI.