StrongBlackVine
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It got good scores. Not much can be done sitting in the shadow of Fallout 4.
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October 2015 NPD (U.S. Hardware) Predictions - Closes November 10th
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It got good scores. Not much can be done sitting in the shadow of Fallout 4.
Financially, last gen was a black hole in Sony and MS's pockets for pretty much the entire first half. Only Nintendo had a financially successful gen.
After what happened last gen, MS and Sony must be really happy this gen, regardless of how bad they sell, it can never be as bad as RROD and cell/Blu-ray.
Omnistalgic
Member
The "lack" of buzz doesn't exist. The majority of the fanbase has to wait to play it. X1 users are likely playing other games. It got stellar reviews, and everyone who does play it says its an improvement in all areas. It'll be fine, although I think PS4 version should have been 6 months right along with PC, that may end up hurting it. Hopefully its another 60fps definitive version at least.
Fuck man. Midnight release, and then early mornings... Fallout doing very very well. Tomb raider doing... Okay, I guess, if I want to be nice. Seriously, what were they thinking...
Ugh though. So tired. And now our black Friday ads are posted. Maybe that will take some edge off.
(Hahaha...)
Ha...
Battlefront on the horizon gents. Fuck my life.
Ugh though. So tired. And now our black Friday ads are posted. Maybe that will take some edge off.
(Hahaha...)
Ha...
Battlefront on the horizon gents. Fuck my life.
slavesnyder
Member
Be strong, Abdiel. We love you.
Omnistalgic
Member
yup retail is gonna be crazy. Ur our best buy guy right? Should I wait to get an Ipad Air 2 they are on sale now at best buy.com but I wanna get it as low as possible of course.
Mister Megative
Banned
You're a warrior, my friend. Any thoughts on how PS4/X1 are gonna make out on the NPD compared to previous years?
I appreciate ya man. Hoping you can come back after you shift next Tuesday and let us know how those SW bundles did
AgentP
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It is getting almost the same review scores as the 2013 version. I think we have a case of "everyone who does play it" just paid $60 for it and is always overly generous to games they bought.
If you put in video from the remaster in to the new reviews I would not have known, it looks like the same game.
FullMetaltech
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Godspeed my friend.
Stay strong, Abdiel. We will always appreciate your insight on retail.
CosmicQueso
Member
Thank you.
Thank you for the insight. I just want to say best buys black friday circlar is weak. You don't even have a Lego dimensions sale like most other places.
Kenzodielocke
Banned
Thanks again Abdiel for the insight
"Tomb Raider and Fallout 4 don't share the same audience, so it'll do well" yeah..
"Tomb Raider and Fallout 4 don't share the same audience, so it'll do well" yeah..
Hang in there, Abdiel.
Today, Kadokawa announced 4 projects with worldwide release coming in 2016. I like to think it's a reward for all the good karma you've accumulated.
Thanks again Abdiel for the insight
"Tomb Raider and Fallout 4 don't share the same audience, so it'll do well" yeah..
I don't think Fallout 4 is the reason why Tomb Raider will not sell so well.
Kenzodielocke
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Not the only reason, but it's a big factor in my eyes.
3rdamention
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[3DS] 100K
[PS4] 430K
[WIU] 72K
[XB1] 390K
[PS4] 430K
[WIU] 72K
[XB1] 390K
Obliterator
Member
Thats true.
Fallout 4 is gigantic though.
Would be fun if we get 3 2+ million debuts in November
Super_Cobra
Member
Did ms sent tomb raider to die? Fallout 4 is taking all the attention right now. I'm pretty sure that xbone owners would take fallout over tomb raider.
Obliterator
Member
It really does feel like both MS and SE sent Tomb Raider out to die. Launching against FO4 was madness
You are crazy. Black Friday won't affect October's NPD results. Neither will the Black ops or battlefront pre orders.
DarthWalden
Banned
I wonder if FO4 will launch to bigger numbers then CoD....
Obliterator
Member
Nope.
It and Battlefront should be comparable though. COD will still be the biggest launch of 2015.
Not until after tonight, at the earliest. I try not to do an early aggregate 1) because it'd make for twice the work and 2) don't want to influence myself or others. Just going by the general mood of the thread and the predictions I've noticed, I'd imagine PS4 was ahead, though.
You're appreciated here, for sure!
KillerMan91
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[3DS] 95k
[PS4] 370k
[WIU] 65k
[XB1] 380k
[PS4] 370k
[WIU] 65k
[XB1] 380k
LegendofDragoonLives
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Because most of the audience for TR is on the PS4 lol.Thanks again Abdiel for the insight
"Tomb Raider and Fallout 4 don't share the same audience, so it'll do well" yeah..
MS should have just pushed the game to January and marketed the hell out of it then. 3 months later QB is coming and a nicer flow to the bigger games. They didn't need to release the game now when they have Halo freaking 5 and Forza 6 releasing, as well as F4 bundles.
That's definitely what it's looking like. MS completely priced their Tomb Raider and Fallout 4 bundles out of contention. Both bundles for $350 for a few days versus the Battlefront bundle, also priced at $350, but for the entire month.
I wouldn't be surprised if there was a very clear stipulation in their contract about when the game was to be launched. Especially since MS would have wanted something in Holiday 2015 and SE would not have any desire to launch Rise of the Tomb Raider on the PS4 in 2017.
In reality a $299 Uncharted bundle is all they need to combat the lego and gears bundles at the same price.... Microsoft will still have bundles at 350 and up sitting on shelves
Should be launched with Uncharted 4, all the press cover surrounding this duel would put Tomb Raider in a bigger spotlight.
Paradoxically, I think that's exactly what would have happened.
Hundreds of articles comparing the two, and they are different enough where it wouldn't necessarily be negative for either. Lots of talk about both, lots of exposure, hopefully leading to lots of sales and a well-rounded Xbox lineup elsewhere.
...welp. Anyways, I'm about to pick up my copy. Weirdly enough I feel like I'm buying it earlier than I was hoping for because I want the game to succeed. It still has a pretty good chance at cracking the top 10, and I'm sure it will do at least 1 million, 1 million and a half worldwide, right?
LegendofDragoonLives
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That's possible but March is a also a pretty damn massive month. Dark Souls, Hitman & Deus Ex all come out in March, doubtful that SE wants to release 3 AAA titles in the same month to compete vs one another. Probably the biggest month after November next year. I just think January can allow Tomb Raider no competition with heavy marketing to sell tons of games and some consoles. Again this is MS putting their stock in non-preseason time. -_-
Poster above me makes a good point about timeline stipulation. That's why I think MS should have brought SE to their offices and figured a better solution though, a way for both to flex the contract so both companies can benefit.
RespectThySole
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I don't think it really mattered when it released although launching it alongside Fallout 4 only made things worse. The audience for Tomb Raider just isn't on XB1.
RealityPales
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It was really just meant to combat Uncharted 4.
Nightengale
Member
Hitman is "Early Access" on March. There'll be no retail release until it's content complete sometime later.
Deus Ex is February.
LegendofDragoonLives
Member
I thought it was March, my bad.
Obliterator
Member
Not for SE its not. Its to continue growing a rebooted franchise.
Something this game will struggle to do. It very well may never match its predecessor LT
To be fair, we weren't even getting a Fallout 4 this year until E3 happened.
I call bullshit on that notion, if SE were serious about that it'd be anything But an Xbox exclusive.
3rdamention
Member
LOl, all the Black Friday ads are in my head. I am already thinking of November, but the numbers would probably be double or triple that. I still like my numbers, but mentally I am thinking of November lol.
I will edit my stupidity!
Stilton Disco
Member
In fairness, a staged 'battle' between it and U4 would have boosted it's profile and got it in the public eye more, at least in the US and UK, and they'd likely assumed that would do enough to counter the loss in sales from pissing off the established fanbase by bringing in new customers.
Of course then U4 got delayed and denied them the publicity they were counting on, and then the XO got left in the dust by the PS4, so there's no free publicity, and no real fanbase or new customers to sell to even if there were.
I think the odds of it ever matching the first game in either sales or revenue, even once it is released on the two platforms anyone actually wanted to buy it on, are extremely low.
Obliterator
Member
Umm no. It was 100% the goal. Like every game. You never release a title in the hopes that it shrinks the franchise.
SE just grossly misjudged the market