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I was wrong, MS only sold 50 million Xbones. So there are 70 million potential sales Squeenix is just writing off with 20 million Series consoles sold.
Squeenix took a look at a 70,000,000 user base, and said, "Fuck em."
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Octopath Traveler 2 isn't on more platforms due to an internal decision Square Enix made "after observing the sales of other titles"
Squeenix took a look at a 70,000,000 user base, and said, "Fuck em."
Fess
Member
Same here then, to me this thread makes no sense, I’m reading the interview and unless it’s a translation error the quote in the OP is 100% fabricated.
The guy was asked why this game is on Playstation and said it made sense when looking at sales on other titles. Somehow GAF/Twitter twist this into how he was asked why it isn’t on Xbox and think he says it made sense when looking at sales on other platforms.
Platform warring is a serious problem for gaming discussions. Can barely talk about anything without warriors twisting and turning everything into something else that fit their stupid agenda. And instead of using this fantastic opportunity to talk with people from the other side of the planet about games we like - we’re here feeding the war beast again as if it actually matters when most of us have access to all platforms anyway.
It's not anywhere near 100M even combined (more like 65-70M) and a lot of those are the same individuals buying next gen systems. They are not separate buyers.So with roughly 100 million sales between Xbone and Series consoles Squeenix organically didn't think it was worth putting out a port?
StereoVsn
Gold Member
Do we know if those games would sell though? I mean even Hogwarts seeemingly didn't do nearly as well on Xbox vs other platforms during it's first couple weeks.
I can't help but think at this juncture that Microsoft cultivated expectation of free games and in addition to that JRPG sales have never been great in the platform. Historically that's not where JRPG audience went. Even with all moneyhats in 360 era.
So between these two items, and MS paying SE for many other GamePass releases, one can see why SE didn't bother with the port at this time.
GHG
Member
You don't know what you did ....I have been eyeing the Steam Deck for a few days now, don't tempt me, not with those eyes
You should be tempted. Even if you cant/wont get a Deck it runs butter smooth at 4k/60 fps on PC:
The game is still 10/10 brilliant all these years later.
cireza
Member
I think this summarizes Square-Enix perfectly well. They want the money before selling the games, they don't have much confidence in what they release.
Actually, I think that these last years releasing some nice things on Xbox or Switch were a mean for them to show Sony "hey look, we can put our games on these consoles as well". This allowed them to secure that precious Sony money and have several AAA made exclusive.
If MS is not willing to give the money as well (for Game Pass or whatever), they probably won't bother because this is what they are after.
In the end, all these exclusivity deals simply make for a worse experience for players. Games are not available on all platforms. Games don't have to be good. This is ridiculous.
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Varteras
Member
I will never understand this mentality. We might as well say that there are over 500 million PlayStation users from all their platforms combined.
Neofire
Member
Plan on picking it up myself. Will be first time trying out the series.
Captain Toad
Banned
It doesn't have to fly for you. It has to fly for their analysts that get paid to figure this stuff out. There is tons of data out there on how much games like this sell on various platforms. They likely have a very good idea. And it isn't enough to warrant the port. It's that simple.
They put the first game on GamePass. Both Microsoft and SquareEnix have the data of the amount of GP players playing it. It wasn't high enough for MS to offer SE a similar deal for the sequel. It wasn't high enough for SE for it to make financial sense to port it outside of that.
This is hardly the first JRPG to be on everything except Xbox. It's actually very common. These companies have a lot of data to explain why this is the case. People that play these games, just don't do so very often on Xbox for whatever reason.
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ShadyAcshuns
Member
Eh, I don't buy that excuse either. It wouldn't cost SE anywhere near what they'd make by putting say, FFPR on Xbox. Something else is likely going on between MS and SE.
Evil Calvin
Afraid of Boobs
Japanese developer supporting a Japanese console developer. Who would have thought?
Captain Toad
Banned
Yup, must be some huge conspiracy between Microsoft and not only SquareEnix, but a bunch of publishers of JRPGs. /s
Klayzer
Member
Seems Japanese publishers want that money upfront from Microsoft.
DeltaPolarBear
Member
You not buying it might be related to you not realizing Xbox comes third in the console race. And that the weakened position means they have overall less to offer to third parties. MS is willing to offer money, it just wasn't enough money to offset the effort required and the lower returns.
Hard to buy a game on Xbox if it’s not on Xbox.
Source?
SantaC
Member
But the game is on PC
Captain Toad
Banned
Other similar games have released on Xbox on the past.
Varteras
Member
But when they were...
EDMIX
Writes a lot, says very little
Not really.
They had a chance to buy those games when they were appearing on those platforms, we already have an answer to how many of that base actually cares about JRPGs
What about the ones that were on XB though? I mean the first game literally is on XB, so they likely are going based on its low sales on XB, so I don't get this whole argument of pretending it not being there is the REAL issue.
When it was there, it didn't sell much units. They continued to bring new games, they continued to port, people continued to not buy the games in high numbers...they left.
Nothing about this whole "hard to buy" or "writing off" nonsense. A chance was given, the install base had literally generations to buy said content and it appears that Square is moving on as they have no ode to keep trying to put games on a platform that doesn't buy em to the same degree as other platforms.
Its not free to make those games and I'd argue Square has went out of their way to support that platform more then most tbh. They tried, they got their answer in terms if there is a relevant base to buy those games and they've moved on. They might only be willing to have ports happen that they don't pay for, as in let MS pay for the ports as they sound like they want them more then Square wants to keep wasting money waiting for 70 million to like JRPGs lol
That being said, I don't doubt those that love JRPGs who own a XB, merely that the majority who love that genre own PS, Nintendo's etc How many of the most hardcore JRPG fans do you really know how waited fucking decades to play FF titles? Generations to play Persona? Generations to play DQ or Kingdom Hearts? I don't now about all that now buds, as the most hardcore in the genre own the originals and don't wait 15 years to play a game they can play today or some weird shit.
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When did it get on Xbox? How many years later?
Captain Toad
Banned
Xbox literally had great AAA JRPG exclusives. They still bombed.
It's not personal, but it is a fact. JRPGs just don't often sell well on Xbox.
Woopah
Member
I'd include Nintendo. They've been doing deals with SE for games for years now.
When Sony pays, they pay for exclusivity. I doubt they would pay for a game to not come to Xbox but still come to Switch
EDMIX
Writes a lot, says very little
None of that matters.
The ones that release day and date still sold less units.
The excuse of it not being there, when its there it sells less.
The excuse of it not being there DAY AND DATE, when it does...its sells less.
The excuse that they need their OWN exclusive JRPGs, when they got those, they sold poorly.
I don't know what to say anymore about this fucking shit man. Final Fantasy is the grand daddy of all JRPGs, if that is moving low units, you have a massive problem. After that the goal post continued to move.
Oh if Dragon Quest came over, that is the REAL shot in the arm they need. DQ releases on XB, sells poorly.
Oh if Kingdom Hearts came over and not just ports, but BRAND NEW DAY AND DATE, THAT would settle things...(proceeds to sell poorly)
So i don't believe this is a situation of day and date or the right IP needs to come along or they need their own for the install base to buy em or anything odd like that, all those scenarios have already played out.
Its why I don't even get this argument. You got an answer to all of that already by generations of those games performing lessor. From big to small JRPG, from ports, to remasters, to day and dates, to multiplatform releases to exclusive JRPGs by the father of FF himself. MS tried really hard, Square tried really hard.
It didn't work out. Thats it. Some times its really that simple.
nial
Member
So a hypothetical deal with Sony wasn't made, then.
Danjin44
The nicest person on this forum
We dont know for sure but I personally think Sony only made deal to get FFXVI but other games like Octopath 2, SE just wasn't happy with sales number on Xbox.
nial
Member
Just like how Sony did a deal for FFVII Remake, Nintendo for Octopath Traveler and Microsoft for Rise of the Tomb Raider. What do all of those have in common? That they were only released on ONE console at launch. To say that Octopath Traveler 2 not appearing on Xbox is due to a hypothetical deal with Sony to exclude a specific platform that has a non-existent install base in Japan is laughable. But if that's true, why even stop at OT2 (a sequel to a game that never came out on PS, btw)? Why not make the same kind of deal with stuff like Crisis Core, Chrono Cross, Strangers of Paradise, Star Ocean 6, Diofield Chronicle, etc? Your point (bolded) is perfectly correct, nothing to argue about when using common sense.
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Danjin44
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There is just no point for Sony pay in order keep it out of Xbox, with Octopath 2 release their biggest competition would be Switch not Xbox and as much as I LOVE Octopath 2, the game is niche, I dont see Sony willing pay money to have exclusive deal for Octopath 2.
DeltaPolarBear
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If you have never known how the console gaming industry works, trying to ask me for source is like asking me to prove you can put money in a bank. If you don't know how the world works you need to go visit Wikipedia, not a gaming forum.