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Official 2005 NBA Playoffs thread! Now with 100% less Kobe!

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Pimpwerx

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Kabuki Waq said:
lol but you make it sound as if it is the end of the world.

Bottom line was Miami a good team without shaq ? were the suns a good team without nash?

who is the most important player to his team this season?

thats how these awards are handed out.

Then why doesn't AI get this award every year? You can't go by previous record alone due to other changes (like Amare becoming a MUCH bigger weapon on offense, and the new 3-ball threat). AFAIK, AI should win this record all the time, b/c that Sixers team is ten shades of garbage without him.

You say Shaq didn't lift Miami as much as Nash lifted Phoenix. Well, did Dallas crash and burn as bad as LA? Unlike Nash, Shaq has a track record showing this. Again, the Orlando Magic, current laughing stock of the league, were once formidable with Shaq, even going to the Finals. Isn't it funny how Penny suddenly sucked once he lost Shaq? The MVP award this season would have been vindication for a career's worth of proving doubters wrong. He's always been the man, but hasn't gotten the proper credit for the massive role he's played in past teams. I say this as a Heat fan. If you understood what he means to this whole city, you'd probably see why I'm really pissed right now. Shaq's the MVP of this league. Nash's name will forever have an asterisk next to it, much like Karl Malone's phoney MVP. PEACE.
 
you keep mentioning Magic, LA and dallas those teams dont matter man its all abotu this season and which player meant most to his team this season.

Maybe Shaq should have won years ago who knows...it doesnt matter this season now does it.


Why is it that all of a sudden Stoudamire became a thread this season ? you have to give some credit to nash, unless you believe the suns suddenly becoming the best team in the NBA was meant to be considering their season last year.
 
Pimpwerx said:
If he had 2 MVPs at this point, I wouldn't mind. But how many shots is he gonna have at getting another now? This was his year b/c he damn sure deserved it. He has been robbed his entire career, and as much as you say he didn't deserve it b/c he was out of shape. An out of shape Shaq was still a bigger factor in every game than the guys around him. An out of shape Shaq still lifted his teams to high playoff seeds. Again, wtf did Nash do in Dallas. Is that team chop liver? PEACE.

So you basically want to give Shaq a token MVP reward because he may have should have won several years ago? Screw that. As someone said, Shaq already has 2-3 MVP Finals awards. He's received recognition when he plays hard. Truth be told, Shaq usually doesn't play that hard during the regular season, he usually comes alive in the playoffs. Remember this MVP award is for the regular season. How many times do we have to say this. If you strip away all the hype from Shaq going to the Heat from the Lakers, he actually didn't have a very good year. He was injured frequently and all his numbers are down. It was the blossoming of Dwayne Wade that really pulled them through this season.

Plus you're acting like Shaq is underrated or something. :lol Sports writers have only been saying he's the most dominant player in the game for the past 7-8 years. He has 2-3 Finals MVPs, 1-2 All-Star game awards, the fattest contract in the league, and huge endorsements. Just because Shaq's now a Heat player doesn't make him the victim all of a sudden.

As for his trail of destruction, the Magic fell apart (though they still made the playoffs for a couple of years afterwards), but let's be real about the Lakers. The Lakers didn't JUST lose Shaq. They also lost Phil Jackson, Karl Malone, Gary Payton, Derek Fisher, Rick Fox, and others. The entire team was dismantled. Aside from Kobe and Luke Walton, the Lakers are completely unrecognizable from the year before. Also most of the changes were for the worse. Whereas Dallas is still pretty much the same team from the year before (sans Nash) and they made some good additions. So looking at the previous teams records isn't a clear indication as you're making it.

AGAIN, the Suns were garbage last year. Now they're the best team in the league in a tougher conference. Nash is a HUGE reason for that. Nash EARNED the award this year. Shaq took a good team and made them better and gave them a lot of publicity. But his actual impact on THIS regular season has not been MVP-like.

Duane normally you're a logical guy, what happened to you? :) If you want to hand out token awards, fine. But don't get mad when someone actually EARNS the award for what it's intended for.
 

bionic77

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Ninja Scooter said:
One MVP is all he's earned so far. This is the only year where you could make a serious case that he deserved it, other than his dominating season in 2000. In 2001 and 2002 is when he started getting banged up and coming to camp out of shape and didn't really dominate like he could. Granted, he got himself into playing shape by the playoffs and destroyed teams, but thats why he has three FINALS mvp trophies. The regular season MVP is for the REGULAR season. 2003 is when his dumbass delayed his toe surgery til September and had to miss the first like 20 games of the regular season, so he had no chance at that one either. Imagine if Shaq had the work ethic of Michael Jordan or someone similar? Damn, the guy would win the MVP every season.

Seriously, if Shaq actually was committed to taking care of his body and devoting himself to basketball it is scary to imagine how good he could have become. Instead of maybe 8 championships and breaking all sorts of NBA records, he has some AWESOME movies instead...
 

Truelize

Steroid Distributor
I've read through most of what everyone is saying. And I just wanted to say that I think the reason that Shaq does not get this award is cause he floats through some of the season. He had a virus for like 2 weeks at the end of the year. Shaq has never been the kinda player that appears to be 100% dedicated to his body and his game. That will always haunt him.

I agree that he is probably the most dominating player in the league right now (along with Iverson) but I think that Nash was far more valuable to his team that Shaq was to his.

Nash makes Phoenix happen. Without him they are just broken.
 
Truelize said:
. He had a virus for like 2 weeks at the end of the year.

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"Don't look at me!"
 
the truth of the matter is that you can stick Shaq on ANY TEAM in the league, and they instantly become a playoff team, and in most cases would be favored to get to/win the finals. under this scenario then yes, shaq is the MVP. but, in the framework of the 2004-2005 season, and for all nash has done for the suns (leading them to the NBA's best record), i think nash is deserving of it. i don't back it 100%, but it's not like it's some far fetched sham or fraud that is utterly ridiculous. it is definitely arguable though
 

DarienA

The black man everyone at Activision can agree on
The Chosen One said:
The Lakers didn't JUST lose Shaq. They also lost Phil Jackson, Karl Malone, Gary Payton, Derek Fisher, Rick Fox, and others.
Yeah and of those names who contributed during the playoffs last year? Hmmm the Coach, Fish..... and well.... that's it.... of those names who contributed during the regular season? the Coach, Fish.. but Malone and Payton were on and off all season.

Shaq took a good team and made them better and gave them a lot of publicity. But his actual impact on THIS regular season has not been MVP-like.

I disagree with this... the entire teams scoring is up all across the board? Why is that.. because Shaq is getting the ball to them... that's not ACTUAL impact?

I don't have a problem with Nash winning the MVP I DO have a problem however with folks downplaying the impact Shaq has had on the Heat... scoring and mentality-wise the entire time is better because of his being there.
 
DarienA said:
Yeah and of those names who contributed during the playoffs last year? Hmmm the Coach, Fish..... and well.... that's it.... of those names who contributed during the regular season? the Coach, Fish.. but Malone and Payton were on and off all season.

Are you kidding me? You're telling me if all those peple had been on the Lakers this year they still wouldn't have made the playoffs? The team is COMPLETELY different from last year. You can't pin it on Shaq just leaving. The whole chemistry and dynamic has changed. Dallas didn't have the same metamorphosis.

I disagree with this... the entire teams scoring is up all across the board? Why is that.. because Shaq is getting the ball to them... that's not ACTUAL impact?

I don't have a problem with Nash winning the MVP I DO have a problem however with folks downplaying the impact Shaq has had on the Heat... scoring and mentality-wise the entire time is better because of his being there.

I'm not downplaying Shaq's impact. But Nash has had a bigger impact. Also, the Heat can win without Shaq. They can't win a championship, but they can win games against middle of the road teams. The Suns are total bottom feeders without Nash. With Nash they're the top team in the NBA. That's a huge impact.

Both players brought the franchises alive. The Heat have a new swagger and the Suns are exciting to watch. That's why it makes sense for both Shaq and Nash to be the top picks for the MVP this year. If Philly had a few more wins, I would have liked to have seen Iverson among them as well. Just at the end of the day, I think Nash deserved to win. There's no travesty here.

The best part is that Nash and Shaq could probably care less about the season MVP. Shaq wants the NBA Finals trophy so bad, so he can shove it up Jerry Buss's ass while he teabags Kobe over his Finals MVP award.
 

bionic77

Member
The Chosen One said:
Shaq wants the NBA Finals trophy so bad, so he can shove it up Jerry Buss's ass while he teabags Kobe over his Finals MVP award.

That is exactly why Shaq never reached his full potential. He should have wanted to win that much every single season, but he didn't and before Phil got there he was only known for "winning at every level except college and the NBA". He is still one of the best centers ever, but he might have been the best ever if he had a killer instinct.

I still place Hakeem above Shaq, the teams he won titles were low on talent and he had to carry them. I wonder if Shaq will fall apart the way Hakeem did when his injuries got the best of him? I imagine when he is washed up he will still get a 5 year 100 million contract from Isaih though.
 

theo

Contest Winner
fuck indiana, these officials are letting them get away with so much bullshit and its pissing me off.
 

bionic77

Member
Loki said:
Seriously. They had to set a record for most bricks in a half. :lol

If both teams can't combine for 150 points in a game, then they should both be automatically disqualified from the next round.
 
What are you talking about? I haven't seen any hard fouls. I just knoew most players are a bunch of pussies who get pissed whenever they get fouled. Jermaine O'Neal is the worst.
 

Cloudy

Banned
I wonder why Doc Rivers keeps doubling JO who is just passing out to 3pt shooters. He is a very nice passer for a big...
 

theo

Contest Winner
well neither team deserves to play detroit. especially boston

thanks a lot for wasting my fucking time again, celtics.
 

bionic77

Member
Lets get the predictions for Mavs/Rockets.

For me the keys to the game are Dirk and Yao. Whoever plays better will win the game.

I am putting my money on Dirk to finally make a jumpshot and Yao to foul out with 6 fouls in 25 minutes.

Mavs 93 - Rockets 92
 

Matrix

LeBron loves his girlfriend. There is no other woman in the world he’d rather have. The problem is, Dwyane’s not a woman.
Win or lose,I just want the Rockets to give everything they have tonight...leave it all on the court.
 
Antione Walker is the official reciepient of the 2005 Tracy McGrady Memorial Award for Talking Out of Your Ass.

"I think Reggie played his last game at home!"
 
mavericks - 160
rockets - 159

in quadruple overtime. game winning shot will come with only 1 second on the clock with the mavs down by 3, but dirk heaves a full court shot with the and 1 for the victory. damn dirk why couldn't you miss the FT so we could go to a 5th OT!!!
 

bionic77

Member
FrenchMovieTheme said:
mavericks - 160
rockets - 159

in quadruple overtime. game winning shot will come with only 1 second on the clock with the mavs down by 4, but dirk heaves a full court shot with the and 1 for the victory. damn dirk why couldn't you miss the FT so we could go to a 5th OT!!!

If the Mavs were down by four, a three and a FT would only tie the game.
 

Matrix

LeBron loves his girlfriend. There is no other woman in the world he’d rather have. The problem is, Dwyane’s not a woman.
Ninja Scooter said:
Antione Walker is the official reciepient of the 2005 Tracy McGrady Memorial Award for Talking Out of Your Ass.

"I think Reggie played his last game at home!"

"Yep I'm an idiot"
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Ghost of T-mac's past

"Didnt my stupidity teach anyone...anything? HAHA"
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Loki

Count of Concision
All my picks have been good so far:

Miami over NJ in 5 (it ended up being a sweep)
Washington over Chicago in 7 (ended up being 6)
Phoenix over Memphis in 5
SA over Denver in 6 (5 if Duncan was healthy; it ended up as 5)
Indiana over Boston in 6 (it went 7)
Detroit over Philly in 5
Seattle over Sac in 5
Houston over Dallas in 6 or 7 as my dark horse pick



So I'm sticking with Houston. :D
 

SKluck

Banned
Only one I got wrong was Sac over Sonics... I didn't think the Sonics had the legs and endurance.

Miami in 6 (4)
Wiz in 7 (6)
Indy in 7 (7)
Det in 5 (5)

Phoenix in 4 (4)
Dallas in 5 (7)
Kings in 5 (Sonics 5)
SA in 6 (5)
 
Loki said:
All my picks have been good so far:

Miami over NJ in 5 (it ended up being a sweep)
Washington over Chicago in 7 (ended up being 6)
Phoenix over Memphis in 5
SA over Denver in 6 (5 if Duncan was healthy; it ended up as 5)
Indiana over Boston in 6 (it went 7)
Detroit over Philly in 5
Seattle over Sac in 5
Houston over Dallas in 6 or 7 as my dark horse pick



So I'm sticking with Houston. :D

Your picks are almost identical to mine. I also picked Houston as my dark horse.
 

Matrix

LeBron loves his girlfriend. There is no other woman in the world he’d rather have. The problem is, Dwyane’s not a woman.
YAO SUCKS ASS ON D!
 

Matrix

LeBron loves his girlfriend. There is no other woman in the world he’d rather have. The problem is, Dwyane’s not a woman.
Well that quarter sucked all sorts of ass :(
 

Cloudy

Banned
If Rox can play D, they can be back within 10 by the half cos they shoot the 3 pretty good. If Dallas goes to half wih less than a 15pt lead, Gumby should be happy...
 

Matrix

LeBron loves his girlfriend. There is no other woman in the world he’d rather have. The problem is, Dwyane’s not a woman.
I SAID SHOW UP AND GIVE EVERYTHING..NOT SHOW UP AND HAND THEM THE GAME WITH SHITTY ASS PLAY! my god awful :(
 
why is it that ANY player on the mavericks can get into the lane and get easy layups or get decent shots off which can be rebounded by their teammates easily?

hey yao, YOU'RE A FUCKING GIANT! STOP PLAYING LIKE A PUSSY AND KNOCK SOME SENSE INTO THESE LITTLE GUYS DRIVING IN TO SHOW THEM WHO'S BOSS!

seriously if i were van gundy i would tell yao dude the next guy who drives the lane on you, you send that shit back to the stone age whether you foul him or not. mavericks are doing whatever they want downlow
 

bionic77

Member
Matrix said:
I SAID SHOW UP AND GIVE EVERYTHING..NOT SHOW UP AND HAND THEM THE GAME WITH SHITTY ASS PLAY! my god awful :(

Seriously, the Rockets don't seem to be trying.

Pathetic. They are playing zero defense.
 

Loki

Count of Concision
McGrady deserved to get to the line with those 5 or 6 offensive boards he just got. :lol That had to tie some sort of record.
 
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