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Official CES 2006 Thread (AGAIN)

Haven't been following this thread so I don't know if it's been posted yet but this just popped up on Digg.

SplitFish GameWare DualFX: the poor man's Revolution preview

SplitFish GameWare showed off a truly funky PlayStation 2 controller that feels more than a little like the mysterious Nintendo Revolution controller. The DualFX Controller is a two-piece PS2 controller with tethered halves: a gun trigger and an odd laser movement system. The left half of the controller is a fairly average analog stick with a D-pad and shoulder buttons, similar to the left side of a standard PS2 controller. The right half, however, is a gunlike device with a laser pointer. The laser tracks movement in the controller and lets players actively aim in first-person shooters. The laser system proved very inconsistent in hands-on tests, but it is, at the very least, an interesting approach. The DualFX will start shipping in March and will cost about $60.
Source: http://www.cnet.com/4831-11405_1-6412914.html?tag=ltst
 
More on Samsungs new DLP model.

Samsung will ship the first commercially available DLP HDTV with an LED light engine in 2006. The integration of highly-efficient LED technology for DLP HDTVs offers the ability to display a wider NTSC color gamut at approximately 130%. The unit also provides Instant On/Off functionality, and expands DLP technology's leadership in Samsung's high performance HDTV solutions. LED light sources unshackle the inherent speed advantage of DLP technology and increase the color refresh rate to 48x the standard TV frame rate, further accelerating DLP technology's speed leadership position and providing the best TV technology solution for watching fast motion sports and video games. Samsung expects to begin shipping these sets by mid-2006.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/prn/texas/3566759.html


I'm really looking forward to when these LED DLP's start to ship 6 months from now, so I can see it in person.
 
VPhys said:
Widescreen is OAR for many PC games including Half-Life 2.

Just pointing that out since screenies for PC are usually released in a 4:3 picture ratio. Of course it being Widescreen doesn't rule out it not being a PC game.
 
Ryudo said:
Bluray doesnt even come close to the goodness of HVD storage. I am hoping for everyones sake that HVD takes off rather than bluray. We are talking 300GBs plus !

Bluray goes up to 200GB in the labs though, for the near future that will far more than suffice. HVD will eventually exceed it by the required exponetial increase though, than it will succeed it.
 
Divus Masterei said:
Bluray goes up to 200GB in the labs though, for the near future that will far more than suffice. HVD will eventually exceed it by the required exponetial increase though, than it will succeed it.

Bluray only hits 50GB in the labs as far as i know. HVD's are talking terabytes before 2008. Thats what i call next gen storage. Considering HVD's are only a year away, the bluray format should just bugger off.
 
gofreak said:
There's a lot of speculative titles there, or titles from 2005 plans that were squashed with the HD-DVD delay..

No, its updated with new details and release dates. going by whats on the list its looks right.
 
Blaster1X said:
No, its updated with new details and release dates. going by whats on the list its looks right.

There are a huge number of titles there listed "speculative" or "expected" or "based on early 2005 news" ;)

The titles I can make out from CES, are:

Blu-ray:

Sony Pictures Home Entertainment
The Fifth Element (multichannel uncompressed audio)
Bram Stoker's Dracula
Desperado
For a Few Dollars More
The Guns of Navarone
Hitch
House of Flying Daggers
A Knight's Tale
Kung Fu Hustle
The Last Waltz
Legends of the Fall
Resident Evil Apocalypse
Robocop
Sense and Sensibility
Stealth
Species
SWAT
XXX
StarGate Atlantis
Crouching, Tiger Hidden Dragon
Memento
Spiderman 2
Into The Blue
Black Hawk Down
Bridge Over the River Kwai
The Amityville Horror

Lionsgate
Lord of War
The Punisher
The Devil's Rejects
Saw
Terminator 2: Judgment Day
Reservoir Dogs
Total Recall
Dune
Rambo: First Blood
See No Evil

20th Century Fox
Fantastic Four
The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen
Behind Enemy Lines
Kiss Of The Dragon
Ice Age
+ 15 others including 2 sci fi titles on 50GB

Paramount Pictures
Four Brothers
Sahara
Aeon Flux
Sky Captain & the World of Tomorrow
The Italian Job
Tomb Raider
U2: Rattle and Hum
Sleepy Hollow
We Were Soldiers
Manchurian Candidate
Mission Impossible
Mission Impossible 2
Mission Impossible 3

Warner Bros
Batman Begins
Charlie & The Chocolate Factory
Constantine
The Dukes of Hazzard
The Last Samurai
Lethal Weapon
The Matrix
The Matrix: Reloaded
Million Dollar Baby
Oceans 12
Swordfish
Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines
Training Day
Troy
Twister
Unforgiven

Disney
Kill Bill: Vol 1
Hero
Dark Water
Ladder 49
The Brothers Grimm
The Great Raid
Armageddon
Kevin Smith's Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back
Dinosaur
Everest
Pirates Of The Caribbean
Flightplan

HD-DVD:
Paramount Pictures
Four Brothers
Sahara
Aeon Flux
Sky Captain & the World of Tomorrow
The Italian Job
Tomb Raider
U2: Rattle and Hum
Sleepy Hollow
We Were Soldiers
Manchurian Candidate
Mission Impossible
Mission Impossible 2
Mission Impossible 3

Warner Bros

Batman Begins
Constantine
Million Dollar Baby
Phantom of the Opera
Twister
Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire
The Last Samurai
Lethal Weapon
Training Day
Unforgiven
Goodfellas
Kiss Kiss Bang Bang
The Matrix
Swordfish
Syriana
Blazing Saddles
Dukes of Hazzard
Full Metal Jacket
Rumor Has It
Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines
Charlie & Chocolate Factory
The Green Mile: Special Edition
Ocean's Twelve
Troy
Superman Returns
Poseidon

Universal

The 40-Year-Old Virgin
Jarhead
Doom
Cinderella Man
Apollo 13
Serenity
The Chronicles of Riddick
U-571
Van Helsing
The Bourne Supremacy

HBO Studios

The Sopranos
Deadwood

If I'm missing any from CES, feel free to point them out.
 
Blaster1X said:
CES confirms their list.

After CES the site will update.

They've already updated during CES, they have kept all the "specualtives" etc. CES didn't confirm many of the titles on their list at all. I'm sure they're all coming, but if we're talking about confirmed/announced/shown titles..
 
So now everybody jumps to the Fall 2006 date for PS3...Shit, everybody jumped at me when I said that was the most probable thing.
 
The Blu-ray cases look a bit better than I thought:

ces-2006-bluray-disc-association-booth-report-20060106001408110.jpg


I can't remember if it was here, but someone suggested the boxes really ought to be a transparent blue ;)
 
Also, since I don't think it was posted, the BDA had their press conference last night, in which they announced the finalisation of the Blu-ray spec:

http://home.businesswire.com/portal...d=news_view&newsId=20060105006250&newsLang=en

According to Watch Impress, Michael Dell was there to speak, again, as was Kaz Hirai. Kaz threw out the statistic that in PS2's first year, 74% of titles were on CD, 26% on DVD. 5 years later, 5% were on CD, 95% on DVD, and he expects the same trend to occur with DVD and Blu-ray.

Ken Kutaragi was also there. He wouldn't comment on PS3's release date, but he said that a number of specifications, like the AACS specification (the content management system for blu-ray), were pending finalisation. He also said that Sony wants to adopt the next-generation HDMI standard into PS3, if it's ready on time (it's due in the first half of 2006), which will allow 16-bit per component colour, versus the 12-bit per component they have now. There's some other discussion about it, but google translator fails me :(

The Watch Impress article is here: http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/av/docs/20060106/ces09.htm
 
Seeing Robocop on Blu-ray makes me happy, but seeing it with that crappy cover makes me sad ... oh, how I'm torn!

Robocop has perhaps the best theatrical poster EVER, use that as the cover like the VHS you bitches.


So... are BD and HD discs really coming out as soon as March as that Gamestay site says? I haven't been following the news and that seems pretty damn soon.
 
ThirstyFly said:
Seeing Robocop on Blu-ray makes me happy, but seeing it with that crappy cover makes me sad ... oh, how I'm torn!

Robocop has perhaps the best theatrical poster EVER, use that as the cover like the VHS you bitches.


So... are BD and HD discs really coming out as soon as March as that Gamestay site says? I haven't been following the news and that seems pretty damn soon.

First titles will arrive with first hardware in the case of most studios. Warner's first HD-DVD titles are due at the end of March. Blu-ray launch titles should appear with the first Blu-ray player in the US, which currently is Samsung's, due in April.
 
First titles will arrive with first hardware in the case of most studios. Warner's first HD-DVD titles are due at the end of March. Blu-ray launch titles should appear with the first Blu-ray player in the US, which currently is Samsung's, due in April.

Hm... that Gamestay page has some Blu-ray titles listed as March. Samsung's player is the first released I could find as well in the news. I guess I'll take their dates with a grain of salt.
 
ThirstyFly said:
Hm... that Gamestay page has some Blu-ray titles listed as March. Samsung's player is the first released I could find as well in the news. I guess I'll take their dates with a grain of salt.

The whole page should be taken with a grain of salt if you ask me ;) They've been trying to track titles and potential titles since last year, some of their stuff doesn't seem to be up to date and/or is speculative.

The first specific dates we have are for Warner's first few HD-DVD titles, March 28th. There's no specific Blu-ray date yet, except April.

edit - April is when Samsung's player will arrive - pending the completion of the BD-Java spec in March. A couple of studios I think have said they'll be putting Blu-ray titles on shelves a couple of weeks in advance of the first hardware.
 
Ah.

Thanks for the info. I'll consider that site as a rough guide then.

But HD RoboCop is coming, and that's all that matters. *swoooooon*
 
I've not been following CES at all, but have there been any rumours or speculation that Sony might decide to unviel a new Playstation 3 controller?
 
Ryudo said:
Bluray only hits 50GB in the labs as far as i know. HVD's are talking terabytes before 2008. Thats what i call next gen storage. Considering HVD's are only a year away, the bluray format should just bugger off.

50GB rewritable disks have been available in Japan for a while iirc.

TDK showed off 100GB disks at CES - I think the pics are in this thread (that or the laser disk 2 vs 3 thread).
 
I've not been following CES at all, but have there been any rumours or speculation that Sony might decide to unviel a new Playstation 3 controller?

No, at least it doesn't look like it. They're doing some show in February so hopefully then.
 
ThirstyFly said:
Seeing Robocop on Blu-ray makes me happy, but seeing it with that crappy cover makes me sad ... oh, how I'm torn!

Robocop has perhaps the best theatrical poster EVER, use that as the cover like the VHS you bitches.


So... are BD and HD discs really coming out as soon as March as that Gamestay site says? I haven't been following the news and that seems pretty damn soon.

Could you post both pics?
 
gofreak said:
Also, since I don't think it was posted, the BDA had their press conference last night, in which they announced the finalisation of the Blu-ray spec:

http://home.businesswire.com/portal...d=news_view&newsId=20060105006250&newsLang=en

According to Watch Impress, Michael Dell was there to speak, again, as was Kaz Hirai. Kaz threw out the statistic that in PS2's first year, 74% of titles were on CD, 26% on DVD. 5 years later, 5% were on CD, 95% on DVD, and he expects the same trend to occur with DVD and Blu-ray.

Ken Kutaragi was also there. He wouldn't comment on PS3's release date, but he said that a number of specifications, like the AACS specification (the content management system for blu-ray), were pending finalisation. He also said that Sony wants to adopt the next-generation HDMI standard into PS3, if it's ready on time (it's due in the first half of 2006), which will allow 16-bit per component colour, versus the 12-bit per component they have now. There's some other discussion about it, but google translator fails me :(

The Watch Impress article is here: http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/av/docs/20060106/ces09.htm


Hmmm ... delay?

I'd rather them wait for the newer HDMI though.
 
Could you post both pics?

Of Robocop?

Sure. The Blu-ray disc shown in a display pic a somewhere in this thread uses the same photo as the current DVD. The VHS release used a cropped pic of the original movie poster.

Edit: Actually, it looks like the now out of print version (it's oop right?) of the theatrical DVD used the good cover too.

Crappy cover:
B00005N7Z1.01._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg


Awesome cover:
6305073341.01._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg
 
Onix said:
Hmmm ... delay?

I'd rather them wait for the newer HDMI though.

By my reading of the auto-translation, it said they'd take 12-bit per component at a minimum (as offered by the current HDMI spec - and that's what they advertise for PS3 BD playback for example), but if the new spec is ready, they'll use it. Maybe someone can offer a better translation, though?
 
ThirstyFly said:
Of Robocop?

Sure. The Blu-ray disc shown in a display pic a somewhere in this thread uses the same photo as the current DVD. The VHS release used a cropped pic of the original movie poster.

DVD:
B00005N7Z1.01._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg


Movie poster:
B0001M8F4A.01-A22XP0Z2W4YOLT._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

Thanks, I didn't know what cover/poster you were talking about.
 
Onix said:
It's more than enough as a pre-recorded format however.

Thank you. You can put a 1080p movie on both Blu-ray and HDDVD that's all that matters. I don't need to be paying $100 plus for my movies or games just because it can hold an obscene amount of data that will go unused. In 4 or 5 years if there is finally a reason to go with HVD and it's being manufactured at a cheaper cost then roll it out as the next format.

In the meantime I don't want to wait a couple years for them to figure out what to do with HVD while i'm waiting for Hi Def movies. By then there would be something else on the horizon that people will be saying "oh we should just wait for that" anyways. Vicious cycle.
 
Ponn01 said:
Thank you. You can put a 1080p movie on both Blu-ray and HDDVD that's all that matters.

Has it been confirmed what titles on HD-DVD will be coming at 1080p? I've yet to see a reference to 1080p in any of the press releases.

Also, some more (big) pics from the PS3 BD playback demo:

http://www.edn.com/media/CES2006/KIF_0448.JPG
http://www.edn.com/media/CES2006/KIF_0450.JPG

The last picture was an attempt to see where everything was hooked up - evidently the cabling goes through the wall to whatever is behind it.

From: http://www.edn.com/article/CA6297311.html?industryid=2282
 
gofreak said:
Has it been confirmed what titles on HD-DVD will be coming at 1080p? I've yet to see a reference to 1080p in any of the press releases.

Yea, neither have i. I've seen 1080p and HD-DVD mentioned before but yet to see them pushing it like BRD is. I do see some of the HD-DVD players upconverting 720p to 1080p. Just another thing to watch out for before consumers start buying BRD or HDDVD I guess. I may not have a 1080p TV now, but I will and I sure do want the movies I buy to take advantage of that later.
 
Ponn01 said:
Yea, neither have i. I've seen 1080p and HD-DVD mentioned before but yet to see them pushing it like BRD is. I do see some of the HD-DVD players upconverting 720p to 1080p. Just another thing to watch out for before consumers start buying BRD or HDDVD I guess. I may not have a 1080p TV now, but I will and I sure do want the movies I buy to take advantage of that later.

Lots of the studios seems to be pushing it with Blu-ray, but I'm not sure if it's mandated minimum resolution. But at least Sony and Disney and others give the strong impression that their content will be 1080p.
 
http://gear.ign.com/articles/679/679235p1.html

CES 2006: Toshiba's Plasma/LCD Killer
Whoa! Imagine a flat-panel TV that one-ups CRT in all-around quality. SED is here and there's no going back.
by Matt Casamassina

January 5, 2006 - We use plasma sets and we use LCDs. We like them. They're stylish. And their respective picture qualities have gotten better and better over the years. Not quite up to the black levels or the response times of standard CRT setups, sure, but nevertheless pretty damned good. The new plasmas from Pioneer and Panasonic are particularly impressive. And yet, a new technology from Toshiba promises to do the unthinkable and combine the best of CRT with the best of flat-panel displays. If we hadn't seen this impressive new tech for ourselves at CES 2006, we'd be quick to shrug it off, but having beheld it, we're here to confidently state that plasma and LCD better watch out.

Toshiba is planning to release this new line of unbelievably accurate flat-panel sets in late 2006. The technology is called "Surface-conduction Electron-emitter Display" (yes, that's a mouthful) or SED for short. The electronics maker showcased prototype SED sets at CES and every IGN editor on-hand was in agreement: nothing else compares.

So how does it all work? SED sets use 6,220,800 electron emitters - or one for each color per pixel, to be precise - which cause red, blue and green phosphors to glow. That may not mean much to most, but the results will definitely matter. Toshiba's CES 2006 SED sets featured the deepest black levels we have ever seen on any television, including CRT - and these televisions are as flat as any plasma! Consider this: the typical plasma set sports a contrast ratio of 3000:1, but Toshiba's prototype SEDs offer a whopping 10,000:1 contrast ratio for truly unparalleled color and accuracy.

Toshiba took us into a dark demo room with three 42" SEDs inside. The sets displayed a variety of video, from a boat moving along the ocean at night to a woman examining a pretty artifact. We were continually amazed by how rich and deep the blacks were in these pictures, and always without sacrificing image detail. The graying effect commonly associated with low contrast ratios was not only missing from these videos, but the 16x9 "letterbox bars" were so deeply black that the pictures looked to be coming out of the nearby wall and not displayed on a television at all.

It gets better. The prototype SEDs on-hand at CES 2006 are far from finished, according to company spokespersons. The sets we viewed were running in 720p and not the standard 1080p that SEDs will accommodate later this year. Meanwhile, the 42" SEDs we saw will be axed in favor of a base size that begins at 55", Toshiba promises. The SEDs will also deliver a 1 millisecond response time, which guarantees that blurring or refresh issues will be a thing of the past. And get this - craziest of all, the final SEDs will ship with a contrast ratio of 100,000:1 to one. Yes, we wrote that correctly -- one-hundred thousand to one.

Toshiba reps are confident of SED, calling these sets the "new standard." And having seen them in motion, we agree. These babies are beautiful and nothing else that we've seen even comes close.

Unfortunately, the electronics maker was hush-hush on pricing for SEDs and would not even venture to give us a ballpark figure for these televisions. That noted, previous reports on the technology state that it can be mass-produced on a cheaper scale than competing plasma or LCD televisions.

We've grabbed a couple of images of the SED presentation we attended. Unfortunately, these dark shots do not do the sets justice so for now you'll just have to take our word that this tech is going to deliver big in 2006.
 
wow.. SED sounds awesome. will be great for a bedroom replacement. but living room is still going to be front projection unless they plan on making a 120"+ SED display. With my local classic theater closing down, the only way I am going to get classics on the big screen from now on is to do it myself. :(
 
The shapes are very similar indeed, almost identical. Although HD-DVD's aren't transparent as far as I can tell.
 
Actually, yeah, I think you're right. You can see at the corners, into the parts of the case. It's hard to tell at first glance with the black background.

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