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Official Heavenly Sword Thread - Heaven is under our feet as well as over our heads

well obviously with whiptail i did exactly what the game told me to do and countered her waves with the corresponding attacks.

and yes i used the dodge. the only thing i ever countered on purpose was boss projectiles every other counter happened by accident while mashing buttons. i never learned or tried to use a single combo

i still had fun with the game though.
 

Ceb

Member
steve said:
What's with the constant comparisons with God of War?

Media group think makes every reviewer bring up the similarities to GoW, even though HS feels like its own game.
 

patsu

Member
Well... you can probably mash if you're really really quick. This is the default difficulty after all. I would think most people will have to learn to block and execute a few combos.

I tried to fight the Orang Utans without the bazooka (mash buttons + basic combos). I ended up rolling all over the place, trying to find a way out of the level.

The beginning of Chapter 5 is somewhat tough too.
 
theBishop said:
That's a pretty good point bringing up MGS.

My problem is not that Nariko isn't funny, my problem is she comes off as unlikable compared to everyone else. I'm just suggesting humor/levity as one possible solution to the problem.

I'm also playing MGS:portable Ops right now, and Snake fits in that world like a glove. There's a lot of great characterization surrounding the play mechanic of recruiting soldiers. Snake is used to working alone, but in Portable Ops, he transforms into a great leader just by being himself. More than once, his recruits sacrifice themselves to protect him out of sheer loyalty. Kojima is brilliant at teasing out incredibly powerful moments from a convoluted, sometimes goofy plot.


Yeah I can see some not liking here character but for me, when she was pissed, I was pissed. Honestly if I had to fight people that had the kind of characterisitcs these folks had I'd be mocking them and being a sarcastic ass just as much as the next guy. I ended up really thinking... "damn these guys are fucking crazy" and I've never quite felt that before in a game. They just exuberate insane.
 

theBishop

Banned
XHitoshuraX said:
I agree with you completely there.

But again In stand by the fact that Narikk's humor, while subtle and not often raised, IS there.

Flying Fox maybe a bit insane (and thus comical) but
is his hanging of Kai
ruin the character because its too serious?

It doesn't ruin it for me, but I do think there's some tension there. Its one of a few times where I'm not sure the writers had a clear motivation for the story.

I've been able to justify this conflict by relating to Heavenly Sword as a Bond film. The characters are ruthless, but also bizarrely likable. Some supporting characters are serious, some are comic relief. However, where Bond is incredibly enigmatic and witty, Nariko is stoic and overwrought. For presumably a character-based trilogy, a likable protagonist is essential.
 

patsu

Member
Mr. Mister said:
i never learned or tried to use a single combo

i still had fun with the game though.

Chances are you're using the very same basic combos as I do because they are very common button sequences (like square-square-square).
 

tanod

when is my burrito
Mr. Mister said:
i button mashed through every boss. beat the game. i only died twice.

I play all of my games by using my feet on the controller. I wonder if there's a way that would make my games more fun to play.
 

f@luS

More than a member.
Im on chapter 5.
this game is AMAZING . seriously i dont know if anything is wrong with me , but HS may be my favorite next gen game ever , and i finished bioshock last week. Im just totally into it. So...."great". TOo bad about the framerate but it looks so amazing
 

tanod

when is my burrito
@theBishop,

disclaimer: haven't played the game yet

After watching the anime previews leading up to the game, I don't see how it would at all be possible for Nariko to have a sense of humor about anything. Born an outcast, despised for being a woman when she was supposed to be a man (let alone a god of some type), sent to live in the woods alone for 20-odd years. I'd be a bitter person after all of that.
 

theBishop

Banned
tanod said:
@theBishop,

disclaimer: haven't played the game yet

After watching the anime previews leading up to the game, I don't see how it would at all be possible for Nariko to have a sense of humor about anything. Born an outcast, despised for being a woman when she was supposed to be a man (let alone a god of some type), sent to live in the woods alone for 20-odd years. I'd be a bitter person after all of that.

I said on page two they shouldn't have made that creative choice during the writing process.

If an idea doesn't work, there's no reason you have to work around it. Just change it.

The whole "outcast with a chip on her shoulder" thing is the biggest problem I have with her.
 

Yoshichan

And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
I'll be playing Hell tomorrow, can't wait!
 
tanod said:
@theBishop,

disclaimer: haven't played the game yet

After watching the anime previews leading up to the game, I don't see how it would at all be possible for Nariko to have a sense of humor about anything. Born an outcast, despised for being a woman when she was supposed to be a man (let alone a god of some type), sent to live in the woods alone for 20-odd years. I'd be a bitter person after all of that.

/slap

Play it!
 
f@luS said:
Im on chapter 5.
this game is AMAZING . seriously i dont know if anything is wrong with me , but HS may be my favorite next gen game ever , and i finished bioshock last week. Im just totally into it. So...."great". TOo bad about the framerate but it looks so amazing

chucknorrisapproves.gif
 

tanod

when is my burrito
XHitoshuraX said:
/slap

Play it!

Christ dude. I don't have the game yet. I ordered it a week ago.

@#(&%^!#(&%*!#*!&#^()~^#%(&^~*(^~(&^~#(&%^(&#^%(&^!#(%&^!(#&&^!(&#%^(!&#%^(&^!
I just got home. It didn't come today. @(&$^T@(#&%^(!&^%(!#&%(!#&%(!#&%(&#!^(!&#!&#(!#&(!#&%(&#(&@#%(&@#%(&^@#(&%#@(&%

:mad:
 
tanod said:
Christ dude. I don't have the game yet. I ordered it a week ago.

@#(&%^!#(&%*!#*!&#^()~^#%(&^~*(^~(&^~#(&%^(&#^%(&^!#(%&^!(#&&^!(&#%^(!&#%^(&^!
I just got home. It didn't come today. @(&$^T@(#&%^(!&^%(!#&%(!#&%(!#&%(&#!^(!&#!&#(!#&(!#&%(&#(&@#%(&@#%(&^@#(&%#@(&%

:mad:

Get up and Buy it NOW!!!
 

Kittonwy

Banned
tanod said:
Christ dude. I don't have the game yet. I ordered it a week ago.

@#(&%^!#(&%*!#*!&#^()~^#%(&^~*(^~(&^~#(&%^(&#^%(&^!#(%&^!(#&&^!(&#%^(!&#%^(&^!
I just got home. It didn't come today. @(&$^T@(#&%^(!&^%(!#&%(!#&%(!#&%(&#!^(!&#!&#(!#&(!#&%(&#(&@#%(&@#%(&^@#(&%#@(&%

:mad:

Don't have a meltdown now.
Indifferent2.gif
 

tanod

when is my burrito
Kittonwy said:
Don't have a meltdown now.
Indifferent2.gif

Toys R' Us Buy 2 get 1 to the rescue!!!

I pick up BioShock, Gears of War and Heavenly muthafuckin' Sword and it rings up $120. FUCK YEAH!!!!

I'll be 'returning to sender' my familyvideo copy and returning it when it gets here some time this week. Takes too damn long for shipping. Ridiculous.

*runs to play HS squealing like a little girl* :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D


Seriously, I'm excited for this as much as I was for God of War 2 and BioShock.

g2g
 

LordK

Member
kenta said:
Currently I'm pulling my hair out over "Dawn Siege" in the first chapter (I have no idea what I need to do or hit in order to get the third glyph... maybe hit all of the exploding barrels?) and also "The Heavenly Sword" in the first chapter (the enemies aren't aggressive enough for me to counter constantly which makes my combo meter reset too much). I'm also having a tough time with "Playtime" in the third chapter, the enemies are too close to get accurate headshots via aftertouch, but John Davison on the 1UP Yours podcast mentioned running down one of the hallways where the enemies come from so I will go try that

Sorry I didn't see this earlier. Gaf threads sure blow up in size very fast!

For Dawn Siege... you should plan on hitting the last "gong" or whatever they are from the catapults right before time expires. Blow up as many guys running around with the time given. I think on normal you get 3 minutes... I don't think the order matters in which you blow shit up. I think when I did it, I took out the first catapult and then blew up the guys just running around. Then when like a minute hit, I went onto the second catapult. You get the idea. I think I beat it with six seconds left. Obviously that doesn't net you all 3 cause you have to kill 700 or so baddies in the next section. I think the strategy there is to try to blow up as many guys as possible in one blow. I didn't particularly follow that... I just went ape shit and tossed out cannon balls all over the place. I think the first part is the most important. Tell me how that works for you.

For The Heavenly Sword... these ones are probably the most difficult, but once you figure them out it's not so bad. So you know the basic thug? The one that can't block. Well, abuse them. Let them circle you for about 5 hours or until one attacks... which is ever faster :p. Then TRY to get one of the pimp counters. If you can't, no big deal. But make sure you counter. Then after the counter, just roll towards one of them (thug who can't block) and spam square in speed stance until you knock him down. Roll to the next one, repeat. Roll... repeat... roll... repeat. If you see someone from behind is trying to attack you, you can be brave and try to counter it mid combo. But I typically just rolled out of the way and started attacking another thug. What this "strategy" will do is give you a decent boost on that number by the glyphs, then you'll continue building on it by spamming speed stance square on the thugs who can't block. The hardest part about these ones is that that number goes back down to 0 WAY TOO FAST. That's why it's important to keep rolling and attacking. As long as you get ONE attack in, you're fine. Anyways, when there's a mixtures of thugs with hats and weakling thugs, they SHOULD (I think) only do speed stance attacks. So you don't have to worry about countering a power stance attack. Once again, do the same thing. Counter... roll->attack... roll->attack. But remember to attack weakling thug who can't block. If you can't make it to a weakling thug or they're all dead, then guard break the thug with hat, then spam speed stance square on him too... then roll and do to the next one and so on. Then the next section is just all thugs with hats. ALL they will do is that power stance thrust attack. So you don't have to worry about speed stance counters. I didn't even try to build up after countering. I just power stance countered them all. It's up to you if you wanna attempt to build up your number by roll->attack. Then the rest of the groups are mixtures I believe and you follow the same procedure. This strategy works for most sections that are "enemy" only. That is, no Kai arrows or spamming glyph points by deflecting enemy arrows over and over :p. Also remember to kick the life pots when you have a high glyph counter because that'll raise your glyph counter decently for the most part. There's one pot to the right in the Heavenly Sword section. Tell me how that works out for ya too.

Playtime is a hard one. Whoever said running down the hall way to shoot them easily is correct. You can exit to the west tower and they'll hopefully(sometimes they didn't follow me and stood around like dumb asses) follow you. Then try to pick off their heads. Obviously getting two head shots in a row is a huge bonus. I think I was able to do this with 3 head shots in a row and the rest missing a million times and hitting them with my meter at 0. Maybe it was 2 head shots in a row twice. Either way it doesn't require a whole lot of "shots in a row." :p. The MOST important part though is the second pot. The first pot is right where you start (where Kai is being the megaphone thingy) to your bottom right. But the second pot is in the place where "fireworks" go off. I didn't get three glyphs EVER (normal and hell) until I hit that second pot.
Sorry my write ups were a bit long, heh. But I hope that helps. I just got all 129 glyphs on hell as well. So if you need anymore help, just ask :) Hopefully I'll see it quicker next time.
 

~Devil Trigger~

In favor of setting Muslim women on fire
Actually i've been playing through hell mode, and I skip the cut scenes and there's no Loading screens

I skiped the
part Bohan is talking to Shen and the 3 bosses, the prisonner's cut scene and Whiptail's story on Nariko

am i special?
 

LordK

Member
~Devil Trigger~ said:
Actually i've been playing through hell mode, and I skip the cut scenes and there's no Loading screens

I skiped the
part Bohan is talking to Shen and the 3 bosses, the prisonner's cut scene and Whiptail's story on Nariko

am i special?


For your first part, there is no load time because prior to the video you are in place X... after the video (a prerecorded one), you are still in place X. Place X was in memory the whole time. Same goes with your second part. As far as the third one goes, I believe you enter that spot (so that's now in memory) and a video plays... bringing you back to the same spot which was still in memory :)
 

tanod

when is my burrito
The sound and cutscenes = WOW

Seriously, cutscenes wow. :O

5.1 surround sound justified solely for this game all over again.

Chapter 2 begins...
 

kenta

Has no PEINS
copybeaver said:
Sorry I didn't see this earlier. Gaf threads sure blow up in size very fast!
Dang, thanks a ton. I'll give those a shot.

I had no idea I could delay the destruction of the catapults that long, that will be a huge help.
 

LordK

Member
kenta said:
Dang, thanks a ton. I'll give those a shot.

I had no idea I could delay the destruction of the catapults that long, that will be a huge help.

No problem. I hope they work out for you.
 

theBishop

Banned
tanod said:
The sound and cutscenes = WOW

Seriously, cutscenes wow. :O

5.1 surround sound justified solely for this game all over again.

Chapter 2 begins...

people playing this in stereo need to stop playing, and buy a surround sound system. I thought Bioshock was incredible (it was), but Heavenly Sword takes it to a new level

the first time you hear wood splinters fly past your head, you will say "wow".
 

SRG01

Member
Okay, I just finished it. The ending was awesome
and Kai gained a few IQ points! :lol

Anyway, this game makes me want to get a HDTV now. :D
 

patsu

Member
Tiduz said:
Nariko looks so awesome in the chapter select screen
hs1.jpg

hs2.jpg

I adore the chapter transition menus. The whole thing managed to touch a subtly deeper level than other games I have played. It reminds me of the first time I got into gaming T_T
 

msdstc

Incredibly Naive
alright I just beat it on hell mode. A few things to say. Yes normal mode was VERY short, and very easy, I pretty much mashed my way through. I felt that hell mode at first was only slightly more difficult, but towards the end, it got a lot more difficult for instance
the arena part where you have to fight roaches pets was such a pain in the ass
I learned the combat system through and through, there's really not much, you really just have to learn the block breakers and you have to be quick, also countering is probablly the biggest thing to learn. my problem with the game is the auto blocking sometimes i get caught in a place because nariko will block for me, also a lot of the time the dodge roll is very delayed or just doesn't work. I thought the game was a lot of fun and the characters were very likable. Bohan was funny as hell and acted great, flying fox is eccentric and so bizzare, very unique. I lvoed roach, i felt so bad for him :(, anybody else? The one person I didn't like was whiptail, very weird not really explained, I dunno just didn't like her. I loved kai, but her sections got a bit boring. Narikos relationship with her dad was different, but i dunno it developed well. I wish it was more rewarding to get 100%, maybe costumes, i dunno something different, but w/e the game was a lot of fun. Definitely delievered what I expected, looking forward to a sequel.
 

SRG01

Member
msdstc said:
alright I just beat it on hell mode. A few things to say. Yes normal mode was VERY short, and very easy, I pretty much mashed my way through. I felt that hell mode at first was only slightly more difficult, but towards the end, it got a lot more difficult for instance
the arena part where you have to fight roaches pets was such a pain in the ass
I learned the combat system through and through, there's really not much, you really just have to learn the block breakers and you have to be quick, also countering is probablly the biggest thing to learn. my problem with the game is the auto blocking sometimes i get caught in a place because nariko will block for me, also a lot of the time the dodge roll is very delayed or just doesn't work. I thought the game was a lot of fun and the characters were very likable. Bohan was funny as hell and acted great, flying fox is eccentric and so bizzare, very unique. I lvoed roach, i felt so bad for him :(, anybody else? The one person I didn't like was whiptail, very weird not really explained, I dunno just didn't like her. I loved kai, but her sections got a bit boring. Narikos relationship with her dad was different, but i dunno it developed well. I wish it was more rewarding to get 100%, maybe costumes, i dunno something different, but w/e the game was a lot of fun. Definitely delievered what I expected, looking forward to a sequel.

I learnt after a while that the fight becomes really easy if you just counter the pets then stab them when they're on the ground. The same strategy works later on when you're fighting the orangutangs, but I ended up doing the superstyle shockwave instead.
 

tanod

when is my burrito
OokieSpookie said:
I have to say , I am sooo horrible with the aiming events that it is sad.

The first shooting mission with Kai was a little overwhelming for me. The trial by fire so early in the game was making me really frustrated because I thought I was gonna lose the mission if I missed too many. Thankfully, such was not the case. :D
 

patsu

Member
I think the default difficulty is very well balanced and designed. It's like the game welcomes me into its world. So you shouldn't be frustrated. Just enjoy the ride :)

There is usually a fast way to complete a stage (e.g., learn more powerful combo, use the tools given in the stage).
 

theBishop

Banned
I just finished it. I kept dying on
Bohan
. I kepted trying to fight him hand-to-hand.
But you can easily beat him just by deflecting.

As for the ending...
didn't they say it would be a trilogy (if sales permit)? Seems like their hands are tied now.
 

Fafalada

Fafracer forever
Dark10x said:
Yeah, a friend of mine said the same thing (I've never played it). I recall hearing pretty good things about the game, however...
Two Towers got a free pass because of LOTR license, there was very little else to say about it. And I have to admit I fell for it myself too.

It was very short (much shorter then 5 hours - and that coming from someone that took 10hours to finish Ico), and replay value was not very much (I think I got couple of playthroughs in 5 hours or so). FPS was 20-30ies, it looked alright because of high production values, but technically it was mediocre at best.
Gameplay was entertaining enough, but the only thing that really stood out for the title was the license, and DVD extras (if you were a LOTR fan).

I heard sequel was supposed to be better, but I never got around to playing it.
 

icechai

Member
copybeaver said:
Sorry I didn't see this earlier. Gaf threads sure blow up in size very fast!
For Dawn Siege... you should plan on hitting the last "gong" or whatever they are from the catapults right before time expires. Blow up as many guys running around with the time given. I think on normal you get 3 minutes... I don't think the order matters in which you blow shit up. I think when I did it, I took out the first catapult and then blew up the guys just running around. Then when like a minute hit, I went onto the second catapult. You get the idea. I think I beat it with six seconds left. Obviously that doesn't net you all 3 cause you have to kill 700 or so baddies in the next section. I think the strategy there is to try to blow up as many guys as possible in one blow. I didn't particularly follow that... I just went ape shit and tossed out cannon balls all over the place. I think the first part is the most important. Tell me how that works for you.

For The Heavenly Sword... these ones are probably the most difficult, but once you figure them out it's not so bad. So you know the basic thug? The one that can't block. Well, abuse them. Let them circle you for about 5 hours or until one attacks... which is ever faster :p. Then TRY to get one of the pimp counters. If you can't, no big deal. But make sure you counter. Then after the counter, just roll towards one of them (thug who can't block) and spam square in speed stance until you knock him down. Roll to the next one, repeat. Roll... repeat... roll... repeat. If you see someone from behind is trying to attack you, you can be brave and try to counter it mid combo. But I typically just rolled out of the way and started attacking another thug. What this "strategy" will do is give you a decent boost on that number by the glyphs, then you'll continue building on it by spamming speed stance square on the thugs who can't block. The hardest part about these ones is that that number goes back down to 0 WAY TOO FAST. That's why it's important to keep rolling and attacking. As long as you get ONE attack in, you're fine. Anyways, when there's a mixtures of thugs with hats and weakling thugs, they SHOULD (I think) only do speed stance attacks. So you don't have to worry about countering a power stance attack. Once again, do the same thing. Counter... roll->attack... roll->attack. But remember to attack weakling thug who can't block. If you can't make it to a weakling thug or they're all dead, then guard break the thug with hat, then spam speed stance square on him too... then roll and do to the next one and so on. Then the next section is just all thugs with hats. ALL they will do is that power stance thrust attack. So you don't have to worry about speed stance counters. I didn't even try to build up after countering. I just power stance countered them all. It's up to you if you wanna attempt to build up your number by roll->attack. Then the rest of the groups are mixtures I believe and you follow the same procedure. This strategy works for most sections that are "enemy" only. That is, no Kai arrows or spamming glyph points by deflecting enemy arrows over and over :p. Also remember to kick the life pots when you have a high glyph counter because that'll raise your glyph counter decently for the most part. There's one pot to the right in the Heavenly Sword section. Tell me how that works out for ya too.
What's great about this game is it can be done however you like, even with getting the 3 medals.
Keep in mind greater combos fill up your bar, and anytime you miss (canon level), get hit, or wait too long, your combo meter drops back down to 0.
My take on the 2 chapter 1 sections:

Dawn Siege:
DO NOT MISS, just destroy the catapults as fast as you can. Then when the guys run up to you, WAIT. When they're about to overrun your viewing screen, just start unleashing canons as fast as you can as close as you can. Again, make sure not to miss. You should be racking up combos like crazy, and the 3 medals will be yours.

Heavenly Sword:
I prefer to play it using all the combos available. First things first, break the first red jar to the right of the screen after being surrounded by the thugs. Right after, change direction and speed stance combo (i like the square, square, triangle, pause, square, but switching them up is good). Right after you down one, change a combo and a direction with the analog and she will twist in mid-air to that direction you pressed. If you knock a guy down onto the ground, run up to him and range stance triangle, immediately do a air combo for good measure. Air combos work best against knocked down foes.
After that the group of blocking baddies will come. No worries, just launch into your power stance combos, especially the one where she spins her power blade around her. Sometimes, hit them with 2 square power stance combos (causes them to lose block) and finish off with speed stance hits. Again, once they fall to the ground, air combo. Finally break the jar again when the next wave of thugs come, and repeat. Counter when you want to or if surrounded, otherwise just be the death machine that you are and send guys flying :D
 

TONX

Distinguished Air Superiority
Man i want to read this thread but its so full of spoilaaaaaaars. I'll wait to finish the game before reading :(
 

icechai

Member
Pristine_Condition said:
icechai:

You and copybeaver should learn how to use spoiler tags.

Seriously.

sorry, didn't think I needed it at first b/c it did not reveal any storyline, its the first chapter, and it was talking about gameplay mechanics. but anyways, there you go :p
 

tanod

when is my burrito
icechai said:
sorry, didn't think I needed it at first b/c it did not reveal any storyline, its the first chapter, and it was talking about gameplay mechanics. but anyways, there you go :p

Strategies for getting unlockables and other secrets are generally spoiler worthy as well in the first month or so a game is out.
 
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