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Official "I need a new PC!!" 2009 Edition

I didn't see this thread on the first page. Sorry, so I'll post here again:

I'm interested in PC gaming. Problem is, I'm totally ignorant when it comes to PC specs and graphic cards.

I can tell you that I have a Dell inspiron 530S. If I wanted medium to high settings when playing games, would I just need to bump up the ram and buy a new graphic card?
 
Jason's Ultimatum said:
I didn't see this thread on the first page. Sorry, so I'll post here again:

I'm interested in PC gaming. Problem is, I'm totally ignorant when it comes to PC specs and graphic cards.

I can tell you that I have a Dell inspiron 530S. If I wanted medium to high settings when playing games, would I just need to bump up the ram and buy a new graphic card?

I'll need more detailed specs than that to give decent advice tbh. Upgrading Dell PCs can often be tricky but something like a 4670 or 9800GT green edition might be a nice choice.
 
brain_stew said:
I'll need more detailed specs than that to give decent advice tbh. Upgrading Dell PCs can often be tricky but something like a 4670 or 9800GT green edition might be a nice choice.

Don't know how I can give you more details. Any tips on where to go on my pc to check the specs?

I know I'm sporting a G33. :lol

EDIT-this looks my PC:

http://reviews.cnet.com/desktops/dell-inspiron-530s-desktop/4505-3118_7-32486101.html

Dell Inspiron 530s Desktop Computer (Intel Pentium Dual Core E5200, 500GB HDD, 3GB)

EDITx2-more specs:

http://reviews.cnet.com/desktops/dell-inspiron-530s-desktop/4507-3118_7-32486101.html?tag=mncol;psum
 

Hazaro

relies on auto-aim
Chiggs said:
I feel the need to tell you all about the incredible deal I got last Friday. I was on NewEgg looking at videocards because I wanted something a little beefier for my current rig. To my surprise, I saw that they had a very limited supply of openbox/refurb 4870x2's. The brand was Sapphire and the price was $263.99.
So do you have 3 of them now? :lol
 
brain_stew said:
Quite literally do as he says, navigate to Program files/Steam and delete the .blob files.

Thanks, looks like that wasn't the solution either. It might be a hardware problem. I think I'm going to look at my components. Any other ideas would be much appreciated
 
Jason's Ultimatum said:
Don't know how I can give you more details. Any tips on where to go on my pc to check the specs?

I know I'm sporting a G33. :lol

EDIT-this looks my PC:

http://reviews.cnet.com/desktops/dell-inspiron-530s-desktop/4505-3118_7-32486101.html

Dell Inspiron 530s Desktop Computer (Intel Pentium Dual Core E5200, 500GB HDD, 3GB)

EDITx2-more specs:

http://reviews.cnet.com/desktops/dell-inspiron-530s-desktop/4507-3118_7-32486101.html?tag=mncol;psum

Dell's can be customised quite a lot, you sure your PC has the exact same specs. Download PC Wizard and tell me what it says:

http://www.cpuid.com/pcwizard.php

Is it a full size case? that "s" model won't take a full size GPU, probably means your sol, if you want to do a decent upgrade, I'll see what low profile cards are available though.


Edit: You're in luck there's some decent low profile cards available now, this is the card you want:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814500103

I don't think Dell supply any molex power cables with that PC, so you'll want one of these as well:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812226018


$80 and you can play any game out there at pretty damn nice settings. At 720p you should be able to play multiplatform games at 60fps with better than console graphics settings.
 
Gully State said:
Thanks, looks like that wasn't the solution either. It might be a hardware problem. I think I'm going to look at my components. Any other ideas would be much appreciated

Run Rivatuner's hardware monitoring whilst running TF2, and check what your CPU and GPU temps spike at. Run Cpu-Z to make sure your CPU is running at proper speed.
 
brain_stew said:
Dell's can be customised quite a lot, you sure your PC has the exact same specs. Download PC Wizard and tell me what it says:

http://www.cpuid.com/pcwizard.php

Is it a full size case? that "s" model won't take a full size GPU, probably means your sol, if you want to do a decent upgrade, I'll see what low profile cards are available though.

I downloaded it and says:

processor: intel pentium E2160 at 1800 MHz

physical memory: 2048 MB (2x1024 DDR2-SDRAM)

video card: G33

hard disk: Hard Disk : ST3250820AS (250 GB)

directX 10
 
Jason's Ultimatum said:
I downloaded it and says:

processor: intel pentium E2160 at 1800 MHz

physical memory: 2048 MB (2x1024 DDR2-SDRAM)

video card: G33

hard disk: Hard Disk : ST3250820AS (250 GB)

directX 10

Hmm, well that's quite a bit worse, still my advice in the edit still stands. I'd have a look into modding your CPU, it needs some extra clockspeed but since you don't have an OCing motherboard you're going to have to do a BSEL mod. The example here is your exact CPU, follow the guide and go for the 1066mhz fsb:

http://www.overclock.net/intel-cpus/341123-intel-bsel-vid-mod-guide.html

This will make a huge difference.

Can you tell me how many RAM slots (or DIMMS) PC Wizard says you have? You probably want some 2x2GB PC8500 RAM as well, its not essential.
 

Uncle AJ

Member
This is a bit of a general statement, but how dangerous of a procedure would it be to replace a CPU? I upgraded every aspect of my PC except my CPU back in '07, and it's high time for an upgrade. But before I go accidentally bricking my PC, are there any safety precautions I should take? Or is that thing designed to be fastened into the motherboard so tightly that trying to remove it isn't worth the risk?
 

DSN2K

Member
need some advice.....im in need of a low profile mid/high card if there is one as of mid next month, wanna be able to play games well, not asking top of the range! but good enough to play crysis.

has to be low profile or it wont fit my Micro atx case.
 
Jason's Ultimatum said:
. I mean would I be able to play Crysis at high settings?

Do the BSEL mod and buy that 9600gt and yeah, you'll manage fine at say 720p/30hz - high settings/custom config with very high quality.
 
Mo the Hawk said:
This is a bit of a general statement, but how dangerous of a procedure would it be to replace a CPU? I upgraded every aspect of my PC except my CPU back in '07, and it's high time for an upgrade. But before I go accidentally bricking my PC, are there any safety precautions I should take? Or is that thing designed to be fastened into the motherboard so tightly that trying to remove it isn't worth the risk?

Just pins and holes, and a lever to lock it into place, you literally just drop it in, and pull a lever. Just take the usual anti static precautions and be sure to properly apply your thermal paste and you shouldn't have any problems. Its stupidly easy to do.


DSN2K said:
need some advice.....im in need of a low profile mid/high card if there is one as of mid next month, wanna be able to play games well, not asking top of the range! but good enough to play crysis.

has to be low profile or it wont fit my Micro atx case.

See the 9600gt linked a few posts above.
 
Jason's Ultimatum said:
I think i'd be scared messing around with the BSEL mod.:lol


nonsense. it's simple. the more you get inside your PCs guts, teh more you learn. and the more you learn, the more you can understand what kind of high end gaming you are capable of.
 
Jason's Ultimatum said:
I think i'd be scared messing around with the BSEL mod.:lol

Piece of piss mate, seriously. That CPU is only worth like $30/$40 at most anyway, even if thing's go horribly wrong (they won't) its not the end of the world.
 
brain_stew said:
Run Rivatuner's hardware monitoring whilst running TF2, and check what your CPU and GPU temps spike at. Run Cpu-Z to make sure your CPU is running at proper speed.

I have an ATI card though. Does rivatuner still work?
 
I should of waited till next month to buy my cpu + mobo, i just bought my i7 920 cause it's on sale, then i find THIS core i7 860 the new P55 chipset has a stock 2.8 gigahertz and looks like it can OC on par with the D0 stepping 920. =O
 

Ceebs

Member
Technosteve said:
I should of waited till next month to buy my cpu + mobo, i just bought my i7 920 cause it's on sale, then i find THIS core i7 860 the new P55 chipset has a stock 2.8 gigahertz and looks like it can OC on par with the D0 stepping 920. =O
I find it best to never look at new stuff or prices for the first few months after you picked up a PC part. It will only upset you.
 

Hazaro

relies on auto-aim
Technosteve said:
I should of waited till next month to buy my cpu + mobo, i just bought my i7 920 cause it's on sale, then i find THIS core i7 860 the new P55 chipset has a stock 2.8 gigahertz and looks like it can OC on par with the D0 stepping 920. =O
If it makes you feel better your memory controller is better.
 
So I've already started buying the pieces for my triumphant return to (budget) PC gaming, but before I pass the point of no return, let me get some PC-GAF opinions on the build.


Intel Pentium E6300 Wolfdale 2.8GHz LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor
OCZ Platinum 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.231519

GIGABYTE GA-G31M-ES2L LGA 775 Intel G31 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128357

Western Digital Caviar Blue WD3200AAKS 320GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136074

EVGA 512-P3-N975-AR GeForce 9800 GT 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130380

Rosewill Green Series RG630-2 630W Continuous @40°C,80 PLUS Certified,ATX12V v2.3 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready,Active PFC Power Supply
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182185


I've been out of the PC-building game for quite some time, any red flags here I'm missing? Should everything work in beautiful harmony?
 
brain_stew said:
Run Rivatuner's hardware monitoring whilst running TF2, and check what your CPU and GPU temps spike at. Run Cpu-Z to make sure your CPU is running at proper speed.

I didn't figure out what was exactly the issue but I managed to fix it. I restored CCC defaults and everything is now normal again.
 

yanhero

Member
Technosteve said:
I should of waited till next month to buy my cpu + mobo, i just bought my i7 920 cause it's on sale, then i find THIS core i7 860 the new P55 chipset has a stock 2.8 gigahertz and looks like it can OC on par with the D0 stepping 920. =O

Well clock for clock the ones that fits on lga1366 (ur i7 920 for example) are a little faster than the ones that fit on lga1156 (the i7 860 for example). It has better chipset and memory interfaces. That means a 2.66ghz lga1366 processor is faster than a 2.66ghz lga1156 processor. (God I wish intel didn't name the 860 an i7, its so fucking confusing) So if you OC ur 920 to 2.8ghz, it will be faster than the 860.

Edit: Or so I thought...those benchmarks seem to indicate otherwise
 
BrodiemanTTR said:
So I've already started buying the pieces for my triumphant return to (budget) PC gaming, but before I pass the point of no return, let me get some PC-GAF opinions on the build.


Intel Pentium E6300 Wolfdale 2.8GHz LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor
OCZ Platinum 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.231519

GIGABYTE GA-G31M-ES2L LGA 775 Intel G31 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128357

Western Digital Caviar Blue WD3200AAKS 320GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136074

EVGA 512-P3-N975-AR GeForce 9800 GT 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130380

Rosewill Green Series RG630-2 630W Continuous @40°C,80 PLUS Certified,ATX12V v2.3 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready,Active PFC Power Supply
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182185


I've been out of the PC-building game for quite some time, any red flags here I'm missing? Should everything work in beautiful harmony?

I have some problems (many, lets be honest here :p), indeed. Before we get into all that though would you mind telling me what your budget is. It'll be extremely helpful, and you can list what you'd like to spend and your absolute maximum if you'd like!
 
My budget is about 1 grand give or take a hundred dollars, I am looking to buy a decent gaming pc. I am not really interested in building my own, can someone direct me to a already built PC that will be good in the gaming / media department.

Thanks
 
TheHeretic said:
I have some problems (many, lets be honest here :p), indeed. Before we get into all that though would you mind telling me what your budget is. It'll be extremely helpful, and you can list what you'd like to spend and your absolute maximum if you'd like!

Sub-400 would be ideal, absolute max of $400 (and I'd have to be convinced it was really worth it over less expensive parts, because that's my absolute MAX), for a CPU, mobo, GPU, RAM, HDD, and PSU. What problems do you have with my blueprint?
 
StreetDisciple said:
My budget is about 1 grand give or take a hundred dollars, I am looking to buy a decent gaming pc. I am not really interested in building my own, can someone direct me to a already built PC that will be good in the gaming / media department.

Thanks

The reason we recommend building your own is that websites charge very large premiums on building them for you. I just ran through what should have been a $700 rig on ibuypower.com, it wound up being $1150. Thats the sort of thing i'm not comfortable recommending to anyone. I will dig around for you though. In my mind the PC builder within knows how far $1000 will get you: and generally its just difficult to get that kind of value from prebuilt systems.
 
BrodiemanTTR said:
Sub-400 would be ideal, absolute max of $400 (and I'd have to be convinced it was really worth it over less expensive parts, because that's my absolute MAX), for a CPU, mobo, GPU, RAM, HDD, and PSU. What problems do you have with my blueprint?

Just quickly, the motherboard you chose is Micro ATX which is for HTPC's, not desktops. The GPU is expensive considering you can get something better for cheaper or the same price. Rosewill PSU's are, in my opinion, unproven and I don't think you should get one. Poor quality PSU's are a massive landmine in the PC building world. I also think theres a better option CPU wise.

I'll put together what I think is a good build within your price range. Just quickly though, do you need a case or dvd drive? Does your case require a micro atx motherboard? I'm going to assume it doesn't as desktop cases rarely do. You left both out of your original build, so i'll just assume for now you don't need them.

CPU: Intel 5200 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116072 - $66
RAM: 4 GB OCZ Gold DDR2 6400 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227199 - $45
MOBO: GIGABYTE GA-EP43-UD3L - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128380 - $80
PSU: Antec Earthwatts 430W - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371006 - $50
GPU: 4870 512MB - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131140 - $127
HDD: WD Caviar Blue 320GB - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822135106 - $36

Total: $404

Ok that was tough! :lol Now because I am cheating a bit you can replace the GPU with this:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102824, a 4850 for $95 bringing the price down to $372

This build relies on very solid parts. The GPU, RAM and PSU are by highly regarded manufacturers of their respective parts. The motherboard is rock solid with good overclocking options, which is important because the 5200, while being slower out of the gate than a 6300, is a beastly overclocker that you can really juice up later on with a heat sink and fan. The HDD is pretty small and the performance isn't great, having a 16MB cache, but the price is right and you can add another one later.

The real sticking point is the GPU. A 4850 keeps you within budget and is plenty powerful to handle anything you throw at it. A 4870 has faster RAM making it a better performer, and keeps you kinda in budget! Now if you are willing to go over budget, you can get this:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150394

It'll take you to about $440 overall, but its one of the best GPU's on the market really. Only 10% behind the 4890, and thats the GPU every builder recommends even for budgets twice your own! Its up to how much you want to spend but thats what I manager to put together, and with few compromises thats a very respectable gaming PC.

BrodiemanTTR said:
Are you sure about micro-ATX? I thought it could be used in desktops just fine. Oh well, shows what I know I guess.

I'm getting a 9800 GT but not at that price. My friend, who upgraded his PC not too long ago and kept some of the parts to sell, is selling me his 9800 GT for $60. Hows that for price vs. performance?

I've heard good things about Rosewill as a budget PSU brand, it's even recommended in the first post.

If you can find something better at CPU without too much of a price hike I'd be all ears.

And you're right, I don't need a case or dvd drive. Carrying those over from my last PC though I'll be replacing the DVD drive eventually.

At the end of the day i'm trying to be helpful, being snippy is pretty rude. You asked for advice, and i'm giving it. micro-ATX boards do work in standard cases, but I don't recommend using them as they are harder to work with, don't space parts out as well leading to cooling inefficiencies, and full motherboards aren't much more expensive.

A 9800GT is a good card. Whether or not you want to spend more for something better is up to you and what your gaming requirements are right now. Would I get a 4850 over a 9800GT? No. For $80 you get a significantly better card, the 4870 1GB but it takes you over budget. This comes down to your monitor resolution more than anything.

I'm still skeptical about PSU companies that make high wattage products at such low prices. Thats my own personal concern and will be represented in the builds I make. If you don't have that concern get this:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182009

500W is all you'll ever need.
 
TheHeretic said:
Just quickly, the motherboard you chose is Micro ATX which is for HTPC's, not desktops. The GPU is expensive considering you can get something better for cheaper or the same price. Rosewill PSU's are, in my opinion, unproven and I don't think you should get one. Poor quality PSU's are a massive landmine in the PC building world. I also think theres a better option CPU wise.

I'll put together what I think is a good build within your price range. Just quickly though, do you need a case or dvd drive? You left both out of your original build, so i'll just assume for now you don't need them.

Are you sure about micro-ATX? I thought it could be used in desktops just fine. Oh well, shows what I know I guess.

I'm getting a 9800 GT but not at that price. My friend, who upgraded his PC not too long ago and kept some of the parts to sell, is selling me his 9800 GT for $60. Hows that for price vs. performance?

I've heard good things about Rosewill as a budget PSU brand, it's even recommended in the first post.

If you can find something better at CPU without too much of a price hike I'd be all ears.

And you're right, I don't need a case or dvd drive. Carrying those over from my last PC though I'll be replacing the DVD drive eventually.
 

Firestorm

Member
brain_stew said:
Its the best type of antialiasing for polygonal edges, yes. However I always find 4xmsaa deals with polygonal edges just fine, at the very least 16xcsaa (not q) is enough. Its transparent textures that are the big offender after that imo, you'd be much better off enabling 4xmsaa + transparency supersampling (through your drivers) than 16xq imo, the performance hit likely will be quite similar.

16xq is just a waste imo, you're simply throwing resources at a problem that's already solved when other glaring issues (like alpha based aliasing and shader aliasing) remain untreated.

Heck, download nhancer, and experiment with some combined supersampling + multisampling, if you've got power to spare with 16xq. Maybe 4xmsaa (w/ transparency multisampling) and 2x1 supersampling would be worth a look.

Either way, I'd recommend enforcing transparency multisampling acrross all games as a minumum, the performance hit is near non existant but the iq bump is damn nice.
I'll try that. Yeah with those settings I'm still hitting over 100 fps so I can play around.
StreetDisciple said:
My budget is about 1 grand give or take a hundred dollars, I am looking to buy a decent gaming pc. I am not really interested in building my own, can someone direct me to a already built PC that will be good in the gaming / media department.

Thanks
I know NCIX US will build for a free, like their Canadian site. However, I dunno how good the US site is with prices and I know they don't price match. I'd recommend taking the $800 build and putting in the Assemble option
 
Firestorm said:
I'll try that. Yeah with those settings I'm still hitting over 100 fps so I can play around.I know NCIX US will build for a free, like their Canadian site. However, I dunno how good the US site is with prices and I know they don't price match. I'd recommend taking the $800 build and putting in the Assemble option

Thats a good site then? Reminds me of umart in Australia. I'll try to put something through that and see how it pans out.

Edit: Ok, NCIX doesn't seem to have any AMD processors? What the!?
 
BrodiemanTTR said:

Better CPU than what I recommended, but more expensive obviously. The ASUS motherboard has onboard video, which you don't really want. You could disable it I suppose but the combo deal doesn't wind up saving you any money from what I recommended.

The other is an ECS motherboard. I'm unfamiliar with them other than knowing they are a very budget brand. Would I buy one? Probably not, but its up to you.
 
Oh hey, didn't see you updated your post. Reading through it now.

At the end of the day i'm trying to be helpful, being snippy is pretty rude. You asked for advice, and i'm giving it.

I'm sorry if I came across as snippy, I assure you I was being sincere!
 
BrodiemanTTR said:
Oh hey, didn't see you updated your post. Reading through it now.

I'm sorry if I came across as snippy, I assure you I was being sincere!

Thats cool man, I may have read it wrong. In hindsight, the 430W PSU is a potential concern. I might revise that, I know OCZ makes cheap 500W PSU's, and theres the Rosewill as well I quoted earlier.
 

Firestorm

Member
Yeah for some reason the US site only seems to sell them in bundles. And the Custom PC sites in the first post are super expensive. You can try with an Intel processor. They are very good, just a little bit more. And really not by that much.
 
TheHeretic said:
Just quickly, the motherboard you chose is Micro ATX which is for HTPC's, not desktops. The GPU is expensive considering you can get something better for cheaper or the same price. Rosewill PSU's are, in my opinion, unproven and I don't think you should get one. Poor quality PSU's are a massive landmine in the PC building world. I also think theres a better option CPU wise.

I'll put together what I think is a good build within your price range. Just quickly though, do you need a case or dvd drive? Does your case require a micro atx motherboard? I'm going to assume it doesn't as desktop cases rarely do. You left both out of your original build, so i'll just assume for now you don't need them.

Not necessarily, some people just don't like huge PC cases; I prefer to have my case ontop of my desk not underneath it. I built a SFF PC and power wise it's right up there with the rest of the builds on here. The only thing you really have to compromise on (depending on case) is the aftermarket CPU cooler because the better ones will be too big. In general everything will be more of a tight fit but as long as you have the right airflow you will be fine.
 
MWS Natural said:
Not necessarily, some people just don't like huge PC cases; I prefer to have my case ontop of my desk not underneath it. I built a SFF PC and power wise it's right up there with the rest of the builds on here. The only thing you really have to compromise on (depending on case) is the aftermarket CPU cooler because the better ones will be too big. In general everything will be more of a tight fit but as long as you have the right airflow you will be fine.

True. If he has a standard case putting in a Micro board is a mistake. If you are designing a system from the ground up to be small, which is absolutely a valid build, thats something. But because my next recommendation for him is to overclock not having to worry about the aftermarket HSF fitting is a plus. Unless specified a PC case is designed for a standard mobo, which is what I would put in any of them.
 

godhandiscen

There are millions of whiny 5-year olds on Earth, and I AM THEIR KING.
Chiggs said:
1200 watt Thermaltake.
Aww, I was hoping it was something smaller. I guess I will have to wait until Corsair launches a 1200 watt PSU before I upgrade.
 
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