gregor7777
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EmCeeGramr said:
My god.
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Official October 2008 NPD Results
- Thread starter sonycowboy
- Start date
My god.
_Alkaline_ said:
This argument is as redundant as the alternative. GAF always runs in cycles. We praise the same thing over and over, make the same comments over and over, and when we're done we do it all over again.
You singling out this specific cycle makes no sense at all. I mean, it's like telling people to stop fellating Nintendo because they sold a billion units. Or Sony before that. It's going to happen because it's a relevant subject, and will forever until it stops being relevant.
Segata Sanshiro
Member
The NPD threads haven't been about sales in the strict sense since... well, actually I don't think they ever have been. NeoGAF, for how many different countries are represented here, is still primarily an American message board, which leads to more interest and more participation in the American "sales" threads. The more people you have in any given place, the more likely it is that you've got undesirables in the group. These undesirables can pretty easily set off people who would otherwise be fairly quiet.lowlylowlycook said:
Thus, the whole thing turns into a big schmozz of people pushing their opinions as fact, people blindly ignoring things that would be detrimental to their arguments, and people who realize how stupid the thread is trying to dumbpost the thread into oblivion.
You want calm, articulate discussion of NPD sales, you'll probably have to find a different, non-US based board without too many members. G'luck.
Shin Johnpv
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Brashnir said:
Metroid Prime 3. Resident Evil 4 Wii Edition.
The pointer control made both of the control of both of these games infinitely better. I own a Wii and a 360, and I get frustrated having to use dual analogs now to aim. They're so much slower and less accurate. The Wii controller innovation isn't just in motion controls, personally I think the greatest thing the Wii has given us is the pointer IR stuff.
Segata Sanshiro said:
Arrogant about what, my gaming preferences? Look who's pointing the finger.
Gamer @ Heart said:
Look, sorry it comes across as condescending but when I look at the ABSOLUTE GLUT of games for both PS3 and 360 this holiday, I can't help but feel that Wii-only owners are getting the shaft. For those who are enjoying their Wii and its core games release schedule -- good for them and I mean that honestly. But as a hardcore gamer, I no longer consider the Wii-only gamer as a hardcore gamer if they're satisfied with the current situation of their only current-gen console.
Besides, you're not a Wii-only gamer this generation so I wasn't even referring to you.
I definitely acknowledge there are some good games on Wii. Shit, I own most of them. My problem is that there just aren't enough of them. Blah blah. You get the picture.
The real irony of the situation is that folks in this thread are throwing around these Wii third-party success stories like it's an ace up their sleeve -- when in reality, the phenomenal sales of the Wii and its successful third-party contingent have not been beneficial for the hardcore gamer whatsoever.
IronicallyTwisted
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EmCeeGramr said:
Oh, hes screwed now.
Segata Sanshiro
Member
I'm arrogant as all hell. Did I say somewhere that I wasn't? I like to think I come by my abrasive personality quite honestly.chespace said:Arrogant about what, my gaming preferences? Look who's pointing the finger.
Doesn't mean I can't smell my own, however.
EmCeeGramr
Member
I can't tell if that was intentional or not. :lolIronicallyTwisted said:
IronicallyTwisted
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EmCeeGramr said:
;-)
Sho_Nuff82
Member
lowlylowlycook said:
I think there's a post as early as page 2 where someone starts the monthly clamoring for 3rd parties' heads.
Not to say that any of the unusually nasty haymakers being thrown in this month's thread are more deserved by one side or another, but once sales are used as validation for something as subjective as dev support, you can see where the conflict will arise.
And I agree with you and others above, we have been having the same discussion over and over again, about things that don't appear to be changing at all. The only thing that's really changed in the North American gaming landscape between October 07 NPD and October 08 NPD is that PS3 exclusives are doing better.
Segata Sanshiro
Member
Don't tip them off to one of the last few sane non-"game-specific" threads on GAF, please.HK-47 said:
EmCeeGramr
Member
to say that that's one of the best posts i've ever seen on these forums, deserving of bolded font, would be pretty much absolutely an understatementkbear said:
_Alkaline_
Member
Amir0x said:
It all starts becoming a little less relevant though when these arguments keep moving sideways rather than forwards.
It's the same people bringing up the same arguments in the same threads on the same subject.
I have my criticisms of the Wii - and consider it to be the worst of the 3 current-gen consoles right now - but do I have to read yet another trillion posts that say "My Wii has been collecting dust" or "I haven't turned my Wii on in months"? Seriously guys, we know that already. You don't have to keep telling us.
ThatObviousUser
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yoopoo said:
Mario Sluggers bombed? Surely not as bad as Wario, which is unfortunate (well I really mean Wario > Mario as far as sales should have gone.)
Basileus777
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Truth be told, I've never really understood why so many people assumed that LBP would have mass casual appeal. When has custom content and online sharing ever been the trademark "casual gaming" on consoles? These are things that appeal to the core gamer. LBP is a great game, but it's a game that appeals mostly to a a hardcore audience.
_Alkaline_ said:
Again, we don't single out a type of argument because it's negative. If this is your belief, then you should believe the same thing about those who keep presenting the same positive arguments over and over again.
The central truth is we're always going to present our opinions in similar ways forever until our opinions stop being relevant. They're still relevant, so they keep coming out. If you think Wii is totally awesome, and it is still here being totally awesome, then it makes sense when another discussion about Wii's quality pops up you say "Man, Wii is totally awesome!"
I am trying to highlight the fact that you, and SOOOOOOOOOOOO many others, have this little of habit of being big fucking hypocrites when it comes to singling out negativity. If you were really tired of the act of redundancy, you'd be all "man can we stop talking about how awesome Wii is, can we stop talking about how shitty Wii is. Can we stop talking about how great the sales for this game or that game are, we always do!"
But you won't. Because it is the topic and its related NEGATIVITY that is pissing you off, not the redundancy.
Mr.Potato Head
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EmCeeGramr said:
O M F G - i find this TOTALLY WEIRD... no offense kbear but geezus man, something isnt right here :lol
I didnt "snip" my quote since this page is about to go to the next page
ThatObviousUser
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chespace said:
Quite a few of those glut games are also coming out for PC. I'm looking to pick up the new Prince of Persia on PC this Christmas in fact.
Also, sure, it's easy to look at the last four months of 2008 and say "Gee, Wii sucks as a 'hardcore' machine." Most Wii-only gamers, including myself, would agree, based only on that.
But, well, the situation isn't permanent- it's more of a dry spell. In fact, in the 2009 Wii games thread, only 7 out of the list's 40 games are published by Nintendo, even fewer are actually developed by them. And while I will agree that the second half of the list isn't too strong, the first half definitely is. From MadWorld to The Conduit, all of them seem to be really strong releases, and I wonder if you'd argue against that.
Edit- Except for Tenchu. Don't know WTF that's doing on the list.
Sho_Nuff82
Member
Segata Sanshiro said:
The MC topics are only as quiet as they are because two of the platforms are completely irrelevant, and the PSP despite being a successful piece of hardware is never going to mount a serious threat to the DS' lead.
During the DS/PSP first year though? The Famitsu 40/40 Nintendogs topic was as heated as anything on the North American side.
The thread is about masturbating over sales, and what these sales means for their respective platforms. If discussions leaks out about whether these sales indicate this or that about the platform (including, but not limited to, the quality of their libraries or their strength as a platform for this demographic or that demographic), it is still on-topic
What are we naming people for? I don't complain about negativity, I welcome it. I love contrary opinions because it's about the only time real, honest discussion is born.
Linkup said:
What are we naming people for? I don't complain about negativity, I welcome it. I love contrary opinions because it's about the only time real, honest discussion is born.
_Alkaline_
Member
Amir0x said:
But it's the same thing every NPD thread - a thread, mind you, about sales. Sure, the first page or so is about the actual sales but a couple of pages later and it's the exact same thing every month - people talking about how shit the Wii is. And it's the exact same arguments every single time.
If that's not redundant then I don't know what is. It's like we never learn from the last thread - no matter how much something has been argued, it's never resolved and thus it goes around in one big continuous circle.
No, I don't expect NPD threads to be about the actual sales. But can we at least stop spouting the same bullshit every single time? That goes for both Wii praisers and bashers.
_Alkaline_ said:
Ok maybe you're not getting my point. Yes, it is the same thing every thread. It always will be. But note: you're singling out how it's always the same NEGATIVITY every thread. if it was the redundancy that mattered, you'd be complaining about all that samey POSITIVITY that keeps getting posted.
We're not going to single out negativity because you're tired of hearing it. Otherwise, why don't we limit the positivity?
The point is (once again) that it is the NEGATIVITY that is pissing you off, not the redundancy. And that is a fanboy thing and we don't police by fanboyism
Aaron Strife
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As if you needed to hammer the point homekbear said:
Thunder Monkey
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I swear somebody just mentioned masturbating!
DON'T START WITHOUT ME!
*grabs tissues and lotion*
DON'T START WITHOUT ME!
*grabs tissues and lotion*
_Alkaline_ said:
Um, no. Praising something is not the same as talking shit about something. If these threads were nothing but people praising their respective consoles there would be no arguing and it would be a much more pleasant place. It's when people start to talk shit that things go bad, and it's always the Wii haters who start to talk shit.
Oh, look it's another Wii music hate thread on the main page! I wouldn't have expected that!
ThatObviousUser
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markatisu said:
I knew something had to be wrong with that- was marketed heavily on children's TV with a pretty good ad.
I wish Wario would've gotten a commercial...
titiklabingapat
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Is it still bannable to mention Amazon rankings? I still stand that it's still a pretty good indicator of general trends and leave it at that.
IronicallyTwisted
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Amir0x said:
Hey man, don't drag the "I love unicorns" forum into this.
Segata Sanshiro
Member
And this is different from the situation in North America... how?Sho_Nuff82 said:
Doesn't seem like Nintendo's disgusting dominance keeps things quiet around this thread at all.
Scrubking said:
Oh bullshit. There are haters for everything and anything on this forum, Wii included. The biggest problem with GAF is that people get so defensive in the face of any perceived slight that they fly off the handle in defense mode without actually even considering the points presented to them.
flintstryker
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I am not even sure why we wanted to know that in the first place._Alkaline_ said:
dammitmattt
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_Alkaline_ said:
I was just giving you a hard time
But yeah, I don't criticize the Wii's lineup until the crazier Wii defenders come in and try to criticize the HD console lineups, all the while implying (or outright stating) that the Wii has a much more interesting lineup.
And this is usually from the same people who champion C-list "hardcore" games like The Conduit and Mushroom Men that would be completely ignored on the HD consoles.
_Alkaline_
Member
Scrubking said:
What I mean was that the people who praise the Wii and bash the 360/PS3 in these threads are just as bad as the people who praise the 360/PS3 and bash Nintendo's console. Of course, you see a lot more of the latter than the former.
And I'm not saying some of those criticisms aren't justified either. But everytime I walk into an NPD thread I know that soon enough someone's going to say "Why is the Wii selling so well? I haven't played mine since May!" and from there we have the same arguments we did 3 months ago. Wii lineup sucks, HD consoles only have brown shooters, waggle is bad, etc.
I like negativity. It keeps things balanced. This place would be boring if we just kept praising the same things all the time. But at the same time, constant negativity on the same subject can be just as bad. And that's what we're getting in these threads.
It wouldn't be so bad if we actually resolved some of these arguments (at least to an extent) and had new arguments instead. But we're still arguing about the same things we did last year.