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OFFICIAL Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith thread
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reggieandTFE
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Not to dull the glowing reviews, but here's a couple of quote from Jeffrey Well's review
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This isn't directed at that recent review, but I've just been thinking about how many films I tend to differ with critics on.
Man I hate critics. I did a Media & Communication degree which has had me exposed to mini-critics en masse too. They're all fucking experts on semiotic analysis, framing, dialogue, editing... everything must be technically sound by-the-numbers perfection, and/or a work of art with some meaning... even when you're talking about something which mixes things so irrevocably different as Westerns / Samurai movies and b-movie quality 50s serials. It doesn't bare thinking about that something not so high-brow shows you things on the screen you will NEVER see in other movies.
Funny thing is, Lucasfilm can now work on an insane level where their 'live action' movies contain more animated content than most cartoon feature films, and it's as seemless as you get. They're leading the charge in the digital revolution, which results in pictures so crisp compared to film that the 33mm generation finds it totally unnatural. Soon they'll push 3D as an exciting new way to galvanise audience numbers, and to top it off - it's driving technology cheaper for everyone else. A few bucks isn't bad for entertainment you can derive from even these prequel movies. I know I fucking loved the first two initial viewings, and there were kids who were pretty stoked themselves. I particularly disagree with one of the reviews posted at RottenTomatoes which says TPM and AOTC are disposable in light of ROTS. I love the gradual pallette / tone change in each movie. The green plains of Naboo. The twilight of AOTCs Clone War outbreak. And soon -- the fire and darkness of ROTS. I admittedly think TPM dragged the exposition out, and that the love scenes in AOTC were ill-tendered - but what really matters to me is:
* I can pause either movie at virtually any point and the resulting still-frame is fucking beautiful,
* whenever theres action on screen I'm having fun watching it,
* Obi Wan has aged naturally,
* Anakin is an obnoxious confused mess (which I like),
* The Emperor-to-be has been awesome,
* Yoda CG > TPM travesty,
* Darth Maul ruled, Dooku rules, Greivous looks cool and now I get to see the birth of Vader.
I thought, that following May 19th, I would be prepared to accept anything detrimental that the world throws at me. But with the promise of a TV series bridging III and IV (which means MORE VADER), I think I may have to adjust my plans for a longer life.
The thing about critics is that their energy focuses on critical analysis, and obviously, a whole lotta criticism. Enthusiasts > Critics. Show me someone who can appreciate technically imperfect but entertaining movies and I'll pay them some mind.
Man I hate critics. I did a Media & Communication degree which has had me exposed to mini-critics en masse too. They're all fucking experts on semiotic analysis, framing, dialogue, editing... everything must be technically sound by-the-numbers perfection, and/or a work of art with some meaning... even when you're talking about something which mixes things so irrevocably different as Westerns / Samurai movies and b-movie quality 50s serials. It doesn't bare thinking about that something not so high-brow shows you things on the screen you will NEVER see in other movies.
Funny thing is, Lucasfilm can now work on an insane level where their 'live action' movies contain more animated content than most cartoon feature films, and it's as seemless as you get. They're leading the charge in the digital revolution, which results in pictures so crisp compared to film that the 33mm generation finds it totally unnatural. Soon they'll push 3D as an exciting new way to galvanise audience numbers, and to top it off - it's driving technology cheaper for everyone else. A few bucks isn't bad for entertainment you can derive from even these prequel movies. I know I fucking loved the first two initial viewings, and there were kids who were pretty stoked themselves. I particularly disagree with one of the reviews posted at RottenTomatoes which says TPM and AOTC are disposable in light of ROTS. I love the gradual pallette / tone change in each movie. The green plains of Naboo. The twilight of AOTCs Clone War outbreak. And soon -- the fire and darkness of ROTS. I admittedly think TPM dragged the exposition out, and that the love scenes in AOTC were ill-tendered - but what really matters to me is:
* I can pause either movie at virtually any point and the resulting still-frame is fucking beautiful,
* whenever theres action on screen I'm having fun watching it,
* Obi Wan has aged naturally,
* Anakin is an obnoxious confused mess (which I like),
* The Emperor-to-be has been awesome,
* Yoda CG > TPM travesty,
* Darth Maul ruled, Dooku rules, Greivous looks cool and now I get to see the birth of Vader.
I thought, that following May 19th, I would be prepared to accept anything detrimental that the world throws at me. But with the promise of a TV series bridging III and IV (which means MORE VADER), I think I may have to adjust my plans for a longer life.
The thing about critics is that their energy focuses on critical analysis, and obviously, a whole lotta criticism. Enthusiasts > Critics. Show me someone who can appreciate technically imperfect but entertaining movies and I'll pay them some mind.
IAmtheFMan
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reggieandTFE said:
Whereas I respect Well's right to have his own opinion, he also lambasted Fellowship of the Ring as being for "geeks and pre-teens" and his overall take on the series was "I just feel like I'm drowning in this thicket, in this murk, I just can't stand them." Objectivity has never been his strong point.
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IAmtheFMan said:Whereas I respect Well's right to have his own opinion, he also lambasted Fellowship of the Ring as being for "geeks and pre-teens" and his overall take on the series was "I just feel like I'm drowning in this thicket, in this murk, I just can't stand them." Objectivity has never been his strong point.
Being an idiot seems to be one of his strong points.
ManaByte
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IAmtheFMan said:Whereas I respect Well's right to have his own opinion, he also lambasted Fellowship of the Ring as being for "geeks and pre-teens" and his overall take on the series was "I just feel like I'm drowning in this thicket, in this murk, I just can't stand them." Objectivity has never been his strong point.
But...but...he's a critic and he backs up the hater's point of view so he must be right.
ManaByte
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Boogie said:
The very first novelization of Star Wars that was released in 1976 had the subtitle of "The Adventures of Luke Skywalker from the Journal of the Whills", which is a variation of Lucas' original draft title of the first movie which was "The Adventures of Luke Starkiller from the Journal of the Whills".
DJ_Tet said:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/t...1/002-4762462-6753601?v=glance&s=dvd&n=507846
20 short Episodes, 70 minutes total. Basically the actual Clone Wars, with Jedis and Clones in different worlds, kicking all sorts of droid and Separatist ass. It's very stylish, and well written.
ManaByte
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My friend who was at the Ranch was seated next to Lucas and his daughters for the screening. Here's what they said on the TFN boards:
"I was seated by the director and his daughters... and um... Perfection... pure perfection. It far exceeded my expectations, and many people are ranking it before ESB. The last five minutes of the movie were soooo moving... I lack the words to describe how wonderful this film is. I can not wait to see it again. There is so much going on in the film..."
"I was seated by the director and his daughters... and um... Perfection... pure perfection. It far exceeded my expectations, and many people are ranking it before ESB. The last five minutes of the movie were soooo moving... I lack the words to describe how wonderful this film is. I can not wait to see it again. There is so much going on in the film..."
DavidDayton said:
Obviously, I haven't seen Ep. III, but I did just finish watching Ep II. The CGI/real argument is very real. I watched Ep II and remembered how it looked on opening night. The one consolation I can offer you, Ep II looks a LOT better on DVD than it did on film (didn't/won't get to see it on a digital screen). What I can say is that the awkward parts (Ani riding the creature, water on Naboo, etc) looked a ton more realistic on DVD. While I hope that the CGI/real stuff can blend more on the big screen, rest assured on a full digital format it will look incredible. The sketchy stuff from Ep II on the big screen looks natural on the DVD format. Ep III will only look better.
pestul said:
The scenes that looked bad to me (on opening night) were Anikan riding whatever he was riding on Naboo, the water on Naboo, and the ships that went from CG to "Real". Each scene looked a LOT better on DVD however.
Hopefully Ep III doesn't have such a technological jump as there was from Ep I to Ep II.
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pestul said:
Bear this in mind -- in Episode II, there are NO clonetroopers that aren't CG. None. At all. In any scene.
IAmtheFMan
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ManaByte said:
Yeah, my friend and I were watching TV and a tv spot came on, and there was a wide shot of Mustafar and he goes "God, that looks like such bad CG." I'm like "uh... those were models." He was like "yeah the landscape but the lava is clearly CG." I go "uh... no that wasn't CG; that was conventionally done; they showed it in a documentary." He then said that I was full of crap and was lying just to argue with him.
ManaByte
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Tabris said:
Lucas made the special editions because he wasn't completely happy with how the originals turned out partially due to technology limitations.
He says he's completely happy with the new trilogy (although they HAVE already replaced the stoned Yoda puppet in TPM with the new CG model), so there's no reason for him to do special editions.
ManaByte
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evil ways said:
The only thing new in those is the CG Yoda in TPM and the additions they did for the DVD cuts (which are basically the digital cuts with the exception of TPM). Lucas has already said the six-disc set won't have anything done to the movies because he's happy with how they are now but he'll probably put the OT deleted scenes on an extras disc.
aaahhh! must wait 12 more days before i can fully geek out with all my friends and discuss where ep3 ranks with the whole series. for the record, i'm feeling like it's about on par with ep4, so i'd go with:
1. the empire strikes back
2a. a new hope
2b. revenge of the sith
4. return of the jedi
5. attack of the clones
6. the phantom menace
1. the empire strikes back
2a. a new hope
2b. revenge of the sith
4. return of the jedi
5. attack of the clones
6. the phantom menace
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