Trickster
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holy shit lol
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|OT| French Presidential Elect 2017 - La France est toujours insoumise; Le Pen loses
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holy shit lol
There's been fascists in the developed world for decades, that doesn't mean we're going to see them take over any time soon. Ever since Brexit and Trump's win the media narrative has been one of ultra-right wing nationalists leading a populist backlash against the liberal world order and globalism. That belief has now been comprehensively destroyed.
There'll always be fascist cunts who want to roll back to their ideal of a world of closed borders, trade barriers and isolationism. That dream of theirs is just that, a dream. Globalism, liberalism and free trade is here to stay and Macron's win so perfectly proves this.
HarryKS
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How are they fascist? Just throwing that term around does not mean it becomes a filler which you can use to cover a lack of vocabulary.
Loosers club
Why do those far-right shitstains worldwide all look like they came out of the "Village of the Damned"?
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That's facism.
Though not the only factor for that, cable news networks treating election years like sporting events (such as the garbage that CNN had been known to engage in all throughout last year with ads for their political coverage) certainly doesn't help.
A direct admission of Trump's illegitimacy. Lovely.
the fuck lol
For the 1st round, 37% who went Macron like his project over 34 for MLP
Which is nothing politically.
He had no position in the party
Which is nothing politically.
He had no position in the party
ultraspank
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When did i said i want a "new guy"?
Making assumption much ? oh wait, i'm on neogaf, i forgot XD
And look at the results, most people vote for him to counter Le Pen.
Vote for the less worst one.
Just like the last election.
And the one before.
And the one before...
But hey, enjoy your victory.
Just don't come here crying when what remains the public service is gonna be destroyed.
Are you arguing Le Pen isn't a fascist?
Her policies are textbook fascist. Maybe you should look up the definition of fascist.
Fucking lol. By that logic we should just opt for an unlimited single rule monarchy.
Stumpokapow
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This doesn't imply what you think it implies. France doesn't have approval voting, you can't infer very much from the results about what it says about Macron's platform, except that a sizable majority of French voters prefer Macron's platform to Le Pen's. It is impossible to say whether those who voted for Macron for reasons other than his platform independently also support his platform or not. I think the #1 reason to vote for Macron is because we must resist fascism, but that doesn't imply anything about what I think of Macron beyond that. Independent, he also seems to me to be fine on policy. As a social democrat I would typically prefer the Socialist Party candidate to win in France and Hamon seemed like a good guy who ran at the wrong time -- but Macron also seems generally suitable and the French left mischaracterizing him as a neoliberal extremist is weird given that the alternative would have been Fillion vs. Le Pen.
But the question is moot anyway because of course French presidents do not have """platforms""" in the abstract, it all depends if they have a legislative majority or are in a cohabitation situation. One presumes LR voters will support him if he moves right because there's an LR legislative majority, while SP voters will support him if he moves left because there's an SP legislative majority (lolololol). If EM+SP get a majority together presumably he will move somewhat left.
lmao, "impossible to win because most didn't want her to"
Actually he had 1 million more people than Le Pen and 1,5/6 million more than Fillon/Mélenchon
A significant margin is Mitterrand vs Chirac in 1988 (34%/20%) or Mitterrand vs Giscard in 1974 (44/33)
I understood that you like to mock, wait, insult, people that abstain or put a white ballot with great contempt. That's arrogant and irrespectful, so have fun doing it, you're the one looking silly here.
Too bad you didn't say answer about the numbers that show that Macron wasn't elected on his platform but mostly because of a vote utile.
That has to be trolling, right? Right?!
ultraspank
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Nah, don't worry, it doesn't means anything!
We just have to "shut up and eat shit" like the other guy said!
Palette Swap
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Frankfurter
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Hahaha, the stupidty of this comment is incredible.
Seems like anxiety about Trump's electoral map v. popular vote?
I'd love to see how much these right wing heels actually believe this crap when their candidate wins the popular vote but loses the election.
Stumpokapow
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They support government seizing authority over the social and cultural life of the country in order to protect the ethnic national identity from outsiders. This is a primary ingredient of fascism historically. They do so with the support of autocrats worldwide, including other autocrats who are ethnic nationalists. They aim to delegitimize institutional checks and balances in the national system, also a tendency of fascists because it is a precursor for authoritarian control of a country.
It also happens that she is a Holocaust-questioning daughter of a white supremacist Holocaust denier, so if someone wanted to say "neo-nazi" instead of fascist I think they'd have a pretty credible claim.
But also, setting aside that it does seem to be an accurate word, how thin skinned do you need to be to worry about Marine Le Pen getting called a mean name? Call her what you want to call her, as long as you don't call her President.
I mean, if Donald could win by negative 3 million votes, why can't Putin's My Little Pawny?
Unknown Soldier
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LOL this guy on BBC
"In any Western democracy, a 30% loss is a huge loss"
"No, I don't think so"
"In any Western democracy, a 30% loss is a huge loss"
"No, I don't think so"
Bêêêê
But for real if you're going to trash talk people on Neogaf, at least do it in English.
Netherscourge
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Thank goodness there's some intelligence left in the world.
Grats France.
Grats France.
Pretty sure people like the person in that screencap are quite happy for the Electoral College remaining the only thing able to still deliver wins for incompetent Republican presidential candidates (and for the second time in less than 20 years at that).
Escape Goat
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Thank you, it seems like everybody is forgetting that we were aiming straight for Fillion as our president...
I can't wait for them to shut up a bit... I don't express myself much on the political subject, but the vocal supporters of Melenchon have been SOOOO annoying these past two weeks, acting like they were the only alternative against Le Pen, and forgetting that they only arrived fourth during the first ballot.
AlphaDragoon
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At least France isn't stupid. Good job, folks.
Macron is as moderate and progressive as they come. Just because he doesn't belong to one of the traditional parties doesn't mean he's a rejection of liberal globalisation. His win is an endorsement by voters of continued free trade and openness between countries.
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
Sure, but I did. The fact that voters found it more urgent to reject Le Pen than to elect Macron does not tell us very much about how much they support Macron.
It's a little strange that you're very mad and very defensive at a guy for reading too much into your choice not to stand against a fascist hatemonger trying to undermine your country's way of life, but you're extremely ready to read too much into a survey about peoples' #1 reason for voting for a candidate. Is it possible you're just projecting because you don't want people to like Macron and you're extremely insecure about your choice to abstain? If you want emotional validation, you're not going to find it here.
It's honestly pretty reassuring to know the supposed far right wave is not really a thing. Countries that aren't a train wreck will remain not being a train wreck
Not that it's considered to be important, lol, but next year I also see a very, very low chance for the right wing party to win in Mexico. And honestly, right wing Mexico is still socialist left by many countries' standards anyway.
Not that it's considered to be important, lol, but next year I also see a very, very low chance for the right wing party to win in Mexico. And honestly, right wing Mexico is still socialist left by many countries' standards anyway.
Ooooooooooooo!
ultraspank
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That one's in the bag already.
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