Apart from the euphoria I am feeling atm about FN loosing I hope that Macron can find the power to bring about some change for France and probably for Europe too. With the UK out and the general reality check Europe got with the threats from the far right , reforms are certainly on everyone's agenda. The EU has to change for the better.
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|OT| French Presidential Elect 2017 - La France est toujours insoumise; Le Pen loses
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I'm not mad, I'm just tired of hearing people insulting people who abstain or chose the white ballot. It's just childish, selfish and off-ground to be mad at them. You should try to understand that kind of political expression, or non-political expression, the very reasons that led to this behaviour and what it says about our democracy.
That being said, I voted for Macron today. I know my priorities, but I respect people refusing to chose, and I don't insult anyone who disagrees with me (whether it's a FN voter, a Fillon voter, a pro-Macron...°. That's the way democracy works in a Republic. So your psychological evaluation is kind of irrevelant, sorry.
whyamihere
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Demos:
https://twitter.com/albertonardelli/status/861303412687810561
Most abstentions were 18-24 year olds. Le Pen's best demo was 35-49 year olds, but she still got crushes 57-43.
https://twitter.com/albertonardelli/status/861303412687810561
Most abstentions were 18-24 year olds. Le Pen's best demo was 35-49 year olds, but she still got crushes 57-43.
Souldriver
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Bien fait, la France.
Les autres pays européens sont reconnaissants pour votre rationalité et votre sensibilité.
Merci, merci.
I really think we've dodged a bullet here. Le Pen as président would jeopardize the whole European project, and May and Putin would've celebrated tonight. Let's keep Europe strong and united against external threats. We need France and Germany to guide us to a stable and prosperous common future.
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Les autres pays européens sont reconnaissants pour votre rationalité et votre sensibilité.
Merci, merci.
I really think we've dodged a bullet here. Le Pen as président would jeopardize the whole European project, and May and Putin would've celebrated tonight. Let's keep Europe strong and united against external threats. We need France and Germany to guide us to a stable and prosperous common future.
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Bonen no Max'd
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Well I guess it's all relatively speaking if Macron's support is largely older and Le Pen's is skewed younger, even if Macron wins over every demographic. It's the opposite of the UK and the US so I was curious how true it held once out of the first round.
A third of 18-24 year olds voted for the far right?
FeenixRising
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You will not violate the sanctity of the Trubama ship!!
This is great to hear. Fuck yeah! 🇫🇷
It's amazing. You're awesome France.
It's amazing. You're awesome France.
70+ years old putting in that work. They remember what the FN stands for.
Diprosalic
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i like how the 70y+ crowd was like "yeah no fuck that" to Le Pen. they still know.
GhostTrick
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If Trump ran for elections in France, he wouldnt even get the 500 signatures from mayors to run for the election.
On the other hand, the problem clearly is the electoral college.
Oh don't worry, once Trump himself actually gets his phone back it'll be some rant about rigged polls or France needing to take its country back or fake news or some bullshit about how he heard Macron wiretapped Le Pen.
Le temps ne fait rien à l'affaire,
Quand on est con, on est con.
Qu'on ait vingt ans, qu'on soit grand-père,
Quand on est con, on est con.
Sgt. Kabukiman
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Yeah, seriously. I talked shit about older French voters before but I stand corrected. They weren't fooled.
It's hilarious how worked up their getting over a different country. Makes me wondering if they'll be on suicide watch if trump loses in 2020.
MistakenMobius
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Probably because they couldn't vote JLM
excellent
SpaceCadetKeon
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Well done, France. 😄
Hopefully they are.
Eat a chocolatine to counter the bitterness.
One third of two third. Reassuring, the numbers used to be higher sometimes.
KillerMan91
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Stark contrast to UK and US where old people were the reason for Brexit/Trump victories.
That's hilarious XD
I only eat pains au chocolat my good sir.
Her other strong demographics :
She won among workers (56/44 in her favor), it was close among (unskilled) employees (46/44), people who didn't get the baccalauréat (45/55), people who have less than 1250e monthly income (45/55) unemployed people (47/53) WHO VOTED (because abstain more than other demographics)
Nothing surprising though
http://www.ipsos.fr/decrypter-socie...iologie-electorats-et-profil-abstentionnistes
My man ; )
Stumpokapow
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Abstainers are surely those on the left who view Macron as a neoliberal stooge.
We know this based on how first-round parties behaved (Far Right non-FN endorsed FN, everyone else endorsed EM, except Mélanchon who endorsed Being Really Angry At The Second Round!!!!) and also based on the plain reading of those who abstained describing why.
It's fine that there are those on the left who disagree with me and sincerely believe that Macron is a far right conservative liberal neoliberal guy who is going to ruin France, but I feel very comfortable dismissing them as misreading the situation entirely, engaging in hysterical theatrics, and lacking context to other elections or to other countries or both.
If we are to talk about differentially high abstention in this election (as opposed to structural abstention across all elections, or as opposed to a general trend towards abstention in the OECD countries), it is surely a phenomenon of the left.
So I guess this means we need to thank Fillon supporters for putting in work?
No lies detected.
chromatic9
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The thing with Brexit is it was a referendum on the EU. Marine Le Pen winning would be like Trump or Nigel Farage winning and in fact Le Pen has gained more traction in France than Farage ever did in the UK, both are fringe figures ultimately. Trump stands out on his own with a huge vote, only a few percentage points under Hillary and took all those states.
Staunch Labour voters who are on the left voted to leave the EU. The UK politically has always pulling in another direction with the EU for decades and had many concessions given. It wasn't right wing populism but something the UK has never really bought into since the 1980s and 90s.
Not that this will change the narrative.
I'd be more convinced if the vote wasn't so negative.
Bits N Pieces
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Well done France. There is hope for us yet.
harriet the spy
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An election directed by M Night Shyamalan.
jack_package_200
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I was kidding earlier but I am gonna have to write this.
Could be worse. Its not like they wrote in Bernie Sanders or Harambe.
timetokill
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Bon choix! Thank you for learning from our mistakes. Love, me in America.
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