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|OT| French Presidential Elect 2017 - La France est toujours insoumise; Le Pen loses
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Eolz
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I completely agree with you.
Both from anecdotal evidence and a good following of the campagin.
This really pisses me off.
RPGCrazied
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Good to know there is a little bit of sanity left in the world. France is lucky not to have the electoral college like we Americans do. If not for that we wouldn't have the disaster known as Trump.
Palette Swap
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Switching between Melenchon on tv and Twitter where progressives around the world seem genuinely happy was illuminating tbh.
RedSparrows
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The same pricks and their forebears also tell us the invasion already took place. They have no consistency, quelle surprise.
While you're at it make it a threesome with Obama. He did endorse Macron afterall ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Orniletter
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A red-red-green coalition would be terrible and Schulz a bad Chancellor. He doesn't have the right temper to lead a country as pragmatic as Germany.
Mutti's chicken will come home to roost anyway.
Congratulations to the French. You did well !
Yeah, though in many ways I'm talking about the rhetoric (and sometimes conduct) of a lot of the left wings in plenty of countries, with a tendency to lack perspective on the placement of others across the political spectrum. Missing a healthy dose in nuance from the bombs they lob at others, their hyperbole doesn't do their messaging any favours.
smokeandmirrors
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>thinking hitler wasn't doomed to lose to the Russians anyway. LOL
whyamihere
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This is interesting.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/le-pen-is-in-a-much-deeper-hole-than-trump-ever-was/
6th election in a row in Europe where the far right has done worse than their polls.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/le-pen-is-in-a-much-deeper-hole-than-trump-ever-was/
6th election in a row in Europe where the far right has done worse than their polls.
RPGCrazied
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Lmao. Like he really wanted him to win. He already wanted Le Pen to win, because she is strong on borders. He actually said that.
No.It's only a few percentage below where it was in 2012.
Some stats in this twitter thread
20% of FIllon voters voted for Le Pen
43% of Macron voters did it to oppose Le Pen
61% of the voters wish Macron doesn't have a majority in the assembly
More at the link.
20% of FIllon voters voted for Le Pen
43% of Macron voters did it to oppose Le Pen
61% of the voters wish Macron doesn't have a majority in the assembly
More at the link.
Polls tell us that
1) Most Marine Le Pen's new voters come from Fillon and Dupont Aignan electorates (20 and 30%)
2) Less than 10% of Mélenchon's voters did vote for Le Pen. 2% for Hamon. So there's a big margin between the right-wing electorates and the left-wing electorate, who strongly rejects the far-right (less porosity)
3) Former governement parties (LR/PS) have a lower abstention rate than parties that are more radical (JLM/DLF) : 17 for both against 23/24% for both
4) Although that's not a big margin and there's not big difference between the left and the right-wings there
For the pleasure to say it I'll add
5) Mélenchon didn't say what to do to his voters other than "don't vote Le Pen" but they still voted in a clear majority for Macron (more than Fillon's electorate= and gave 7% to Le Pen.
Latest Ipsos poll
Tranqueris
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If they can find some way to stick it to Merkel, they'll be there.
Man, Merkel, talk about a soulless bitch amirite fellas? Also did you guys hear about how those damn sexists in France refused to vote for a woman? What a bunch of sexists. Sexists are the worst. /s
Trump likes whoever he's talking to at that moment. He has no great political affiliation beyond himself. He's just an idiot.
Good job, France. C-c-c-c-combobreaker.
I might play a few rounds of They Shall Not Pass maps in celebration, but I'm tired and binging Attack on Titan.
PS: Say what you want, a stronger SPD with less infighting is what I want. That and Die Linke, AfD and CSU to be beaten silly.
I might play a few rounds of They Shall Not Pass maps in celebration, but I'm tired and binging Attack on Titan.
PS: Say what you want, a stronger SPD with less infighting is what I want. That and Die Linke, AfD and CSU to be beaten silly.
Bless him
jack_package_200
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Get fucked you pathetic orange cunt.
Calm waterfall
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Yes. Le Pen would have nuked the European unity, economic and security corporation, which would have been a disaster for our continent.
Polls tell us that
1) Most Marine Le Pen's new voters come from Fillon and Dupont Aignan electorates (20 and 30%)
2) Less than 10% of Mélenchon's voters did vote for Le Pen. 2% for Hamon. So there's a big margin between the right-wing electorates and the left-wing electorate, who strongly rejects the far-right (less porosity)
3) Former governement parties (LR/PS) have a lower abstention rate than parties that are more radical (JLM/DLF) : 17 for both against 23/24% for both
4) Although that's not a big margin and there's not big difference between the left and the right-wings there
For the pleasure to say it I'll add
5) Mélenchon didn't say what to do to his voters other than "don't vote Le Pen" but they still voted in a clear majority for Macron and gave 7% to Le Pen.
Latest Ipsos poll
Wow. Marine le Pen won less NDA voters then expected while macron won slightly more then expected and almost won a plurality of NDA voters.
Sidewinder
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Well done France! Fuck Le Pen!
Eolz
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It's just like when a game becomes exclusive on another platform or just isn't exclusive anymore
Unknown Soldier
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I'm someone who probably would have tended to support Mélenchon if I were French but I can say that everything I've read about Macron implies he was a million times better than Hillary was in the US. No scandals of any kind (although it helps he was a political neophyte), no questionable business dealings, no philandering, nothing really at all. He seems like the cleanest guy who could have run for the Presidency. The only real knock against him was that he worked as an investment banker before joining the French government.
Unlike with Hillary, I don't think I would have any issues voting for Macron. I generally regard Clinton/Blair style of Third Way politics with distaste but Macron seems much more palatable than oh I don't know the far right and the National Front. I'm not sure why French leftists are so mad. I would have jumped at the chance to vote for Macron as my second choice instead of Hillary.
Lepen completely blew the campaign with the last debate.
She showed France she was a fool. If she had done well, she probably would have matched the polls.
Palette Swap
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Well, not all British coverage is dumb hand wringing. This is actually a good Twitter thread from an Economist correspondent : https://twitter.com/jeremycliffe/status/861281102908071940
Unfortunately the streak will be broken next month
ClosingADoor
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Voting blank is a way to say you want another direction next time then the current options. If it was a close race, it would be very stupid of course and annoying. But in most elections it is a perfectly valid way to vote.
ForsakenLotus
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Viva la France.
I mean, being forced to vote for the lesser evil is quite annoying, and it leading to increased abstention is not uncommon.
That's one reason I am in favor of ranked/preferential voting systems which prevent that situation from occurring in the first place.
ultraspank
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The numbers were posted a few pages ago and are available everywhere now.
If you were not so busy making replies worthy of a twelve-year-old
, you could have seen them.
And you last sentence confirms what i thought.
yeah, instead of making them better, or at least go back to what it was, just kill them.
Very smart.
Nah, they'll just be on whatever other troll target Putin has them on.
John Rabbit
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Unknown Soldier
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I haven't seen any problems with the BBC's coverage.
Mass_Pincup
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Marine Le Pen getting shades on live TV.
This evening is so good
France and Germany (most likely) will be able to work together on the same length in regards to Brexit which is a bad news for the UK. They'll have less chance to create friction between the biggest EU countries. That'll make the negotiation way harder for May.
This evening is so good
France and Germany (most likely) will be able to work together on the same length in regards to Brexit which is a bad news for the UK. They'll have less chance to create friction between the biggest EU countries. That'll make the negotiation way harder for May.
darkwing-buck
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Gaf I'm not very knowledgable when it comes to EU politics, but what does this mean for Brexit now that Macron won?
Nothing. It carries down a cliff as before.
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