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|OT| French Presidential Elect 2017 - La France est toujours insoumise; Le Pen loses
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Yes, 66.06%
JordanN
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johancruijff
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Vive la France i say
Jesus I feel dirty
Jesus I feel dirty
travisbickle
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It lacks data and nuance haha but I have the right map !
To be pedantic on this map, the color values are confusing. Le Pen's 50+ is the same value as Macron's 70+, they should make Le Pen's wins paler as they are below 60, same value as Macron.
Honestly she never had a chance at winning even in the worst case scenario which would have been a post-scandal Fillon managing to get with her in the secound round.
The main reason is that our electoral system is made of two rounds and that you need to make alliances and/or get support from other parties for the secound round in order to win. The FN can't do that : they're isolated and have a hard time moving other partie's electorates, while the other parties would rally citizens from all electorates with a majority from each big electorate.
Even in France we worry too much - and that's great because fascism is fascism and we need to acknowledge what leads some people, even the most fragile, to vote for her.
I definitely agree. I just pointed that out by constrast to the Eurosceptics (namely Le Pen, Mélenchon and Asselineau). Leaving the EU would be disastrous all around, whereas a pro-EU stance would at least preserve a decent, if imperfect status quo, with a possibility for reform.
SpacePirate Ridley
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Proud of our north neighbours for this great victory.
Good job guys!
Good job guys!
I'm getting different numbers from france24.
travisbickle
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That's the official numbers http://elections.interieur.gouv.fr/presidentielle-2017/FE.html
Jon Carter
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I'm really glad my department (Nord) voted for Macron, but disappointed to be surrounded by Le Pen voters and that the Macron support is on the low end of the spectrum compared with many other departments.
That's a... hell of a score.
Roland_Gunner
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The brexit vote and Trump winning convinced some people that there is this huge undetected mass of white nationalists that are always going to show up and swing elections. Those people refuse to see that there is a difference between a 2 and 20 point gap for whatever reason. Then Macron actually outperformed his poll numbers by a huge amount.
1 in 3 voting for Le Pen is still too much. I'm hopeful for Macron though and I hope all the French will support him in improving the country.
Jesus that's humilating for Le Pen. I know she did twice the amount her father did, but she was at 30% in the first round this time last year according to the polls. Now she's walking away with less then 34% at the final round. She lost a lot of momentum in the space of twelve months.
We're hoping he's going to support us honestly. Help us help him, essentially.
GameAddict411
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Congrats France for avoiding that POS of human being. Any defeat to the alt right is welcomed.
Yep I understood what you meant
I wouldn't put Le Pen, Mélenchon and Assselineau on the same level of europsceptiscim though (and you would surely agree on the nuances)
Asselineau is a 100% against the EU, his party is built around the idea of leaving it no matter the cost.
As I said Le Pen isn't even pro-democracy so she can't be pro-EU.
For the left it's more complicated, but even Mélenchon is pro-EU. He wants to change the policies and treaties so the very nature of the current Europe, or at least to "bend" the policies towards him. Hamon is pretty much on the same line but they have different stratégies (Mélenchon wants to oppose in public different powers whereas Hamon wants to change the institutions and let the democracy change the balance of ideologies). Mélenchon's bet is that a conservative Germany will have to accomodate - and reform the treaties etc - because they don't want France to leave the EU or even the euro. He considered leaving the euro and/or the EU if his negociation doesn't succeed, but his bet is that it will succeed and that the threat of leaving will force a conservative Germany to make reforms. In other words, he wants to reform the EU, even if his method is up to question, and he's no nationalist compared to the two others.
Latest polls gave him on a great momentum (that carried on the last two days when there weren't any polls) at an average of 62,8%. That isn't huge considering they've seen the momentum he had
She actually did like 1.9 times better then her father.
whyamihere
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Yeah, Le Pen had been polling as high as 30% in the first round last year. She barely cracked that.
Now I just need an internal FN civil war where Marion tries to wrestle control from her aunt.
Now I just need an internal FN civil war where Marion tries to wrestle control from her aunt.
jack_package_200
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https://twitter.com/SteveKingIA/status/831083939083202562
Only just saw this. Holy fucking shit. Two peas in a nazi pod.
Only just saw this. Holy fucking shit. Two peas in a nazi pod.
maybe now they'll got the way of UKIP without the person people know leading them and just disappear into irrelevance.
I think it's clear nobody is going to win dragging that baggage around.
FinaruDensetsu
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We suck and we deserve it.
FinaruDensetsu
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This point can not be made enough. Good job France.
More like Trump impossible without the shitty nonsense known as the Electoral College, a system demanded by fucking racist slave owners that exists for some reason today. Oh wait I know why because loads of those people are still fucking racists except they aren't allowed to have slaves anymore.
Holy Order Sol
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non-dicks won't do that tbh
It lacks data and nuance haha but I have the right map !
Makes me happy to see Corsica going Macron, if barely.
RPGCrazied
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How does Macron feel about Trump? Has he brought him up before? That will be an awkward meeting.
Ironically, Macron ends up with more votes than Sarkozy (2007) and Hollande (2012)
Code:
Sarkozy 18 983 138 (2007)
Hollande 18 000 668 (2012)
Macron >20 703 694 (2017)
Regginator
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It lacks data and nuance haha but I have the right map !
Can you link me the source of this? I'd love to see this in high-res, but this current pic is kinda blurry.
Hoping the FN gets similarly crushed during the législatives. Also hoping FI gets slaughtered alongside them so we can finally be rid of Mélenchon.
MLP getting to the second round was shameful enough, but Hamon and the PS getting trounced by the far-left was also pathetic. The country needs two strong centrist parties, we can't have an extreme in the second round again in 2022.
The center needs to hold.
Edit: my wife (Japanese, doesn't read French fluently yet) sent me a link to a Gorafi article stating Macron had selected Hollande as his prime minister lol. She now knows what the Gorafi is. But on that note, predictions? Where does Bayrou end up, if anywhere?
MLP getting to the second round was shameful enough, but Hamon and the PS getting trounced by the far-left was also pathetic. The country needs two strong centrist parties, we can't have an extreme in the second round again in 2022.
The center needs to hold.
Edit: my wife (Japanese, doesn't read French fluently yet) sent me a link to a Gorafi article stating Macron had selected Hollande as his prime minister lol. She now knows what the Gorafi is. But on that note, predictions? Where does Bayrou end up, if anywhere?
speak_easy
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Had anyone casually glanced at /r/the_donald?
They are breaking out the emergency memes.
They are breaking out the emergency memes.
Dubbedinenglish
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I knew Manny Macaroni would pull through
Regginator
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well i'm glad King took that to the face
You'd think so, but 2016....
there's just a LOT of idiots out there that seriously thought that just because Hillary lost with a tenth the polling lead in a different country that somehow numbers didn't matter anymore
like....even from a betting standpoint Macron had hilariously good odds right up until the very end for someone that was so incredibly obviously going to win
looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool
SchrodingerC
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Just popping in to say well done France, you thankfully didn't follow England's and America's unfortunate paths.
Them gaining ground is sad and not to be ignored.
I think it's more like how people across the internet (and a lot on GAF) were completely certain for months that Remain would win and then they got blindsided. Everyone was certain Hillary would win and they got blindsided.
Just bracing for a hat-trick I guess.
sure but Macron literally had a consistent 20+ point lead in all the polls leading up to the election
neither of those other things were anything remotely close to that
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