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|OT| French Presidential Elect 2017 - La France est toujours insoumise; Le Pen loses

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Coffinhal

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PieterJan said:
He could also rely on a changing majority depending on the policy getting pushed through.
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That would really be a nightmare for him. He would need to use the 49-3 (rationalized parliamentarism option that allows him to get a law passed when he doesn't have a majority for his policy and doesn't have a majority against the governement), which he really disliked to be forced to do when he was Minister of the Economy. The budget law (each Fall) is especially very tricky and the 49-3 is made for these laws (he can use the 49-3 for another law each year)
 
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EmiPrime

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I think LR want to retain their own identity and position themselves as the official opposition despite Le Pen pretensions.

Major PS figures seem much more amenable and their party is on life support, they'll give Macron whatever he needs if it means they can avoid the fallout from kicking out en masse any of their elected officials who want to support him. It also keeps them relevant.
 
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PieterJan

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Coffinhal said:
That would really be a nightmare for him. He would need to use the 49-3 (rationalized parliamentarism option that allows him to get a law passed when he doesn't have a majority for his policy and doesn't have a majority against the governement), which he really disliked to be forced to do when he was Minister of the Economy. The budget law (each Fall) is especially very tricky and the 49-3 is made for these laws (he can use the 49-3 for another law each year)
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But would he need this rule when he does find a majority?

He could work in batches: a policy in favour of the left with a policy in favour of the right to get both PS and LR around the table. Or am I too optimistic about French Politicians?
 
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cntr

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It was so good waking up to this news after all that's happened the last few months.

Thanks for doing the right thing, France! Merci beaucoup !
 
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Imp the Dimp

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Gurgelhals said:
lol, over in the UK the Daily Heil didn't even bother to mention the election on the front page:



For reference, this was their reaction two weeks ago when Le Pen made it to the second round:



Same with The Scum by the way. So much delicious salt.
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hahaha oh god I love this. Is there a best of salt post that sums everything up?
 
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Funky Papa

FUNK-Y-PPA-4
Re: Sputnik garbage.

Politico.eu (I think it was Politico, but I can't find the piece at the moment) had an interesting take on Russian propaganda and how Putin may have overplayed his hand. Apparently Macron had no intense opinions on foreign policy as his forté is the economy, so trying to smear him in such an evident (and botched) way may have steered him far away from non-belligerence.
 
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Alx

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For those who missed it, Macron and Hollande had quite an emotional moment today when they both attended the 8th of May celebration.

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Macron is said to be both the spiritual son/heir of Hollande, the latter having made his political career possible, and a traitor since he left Hollande's team to run for presidency on his own.
He killed the father, but the father is still proud of him. :')
 
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Mimosa97

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Macron barely acknowledged Hollande during his speech last night and tried to distance himself (and rightfully so) from Hollande during the whole campaign. I don't see any emotional bonding between the two. He knew Hollande was a liability and pretty much deadweight.
 
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Alx

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He clearly does his best to get rid of that "son of Hollande" image that his opponents are using against him, but it is also obvious that there is still some emotional link between them. He never said anything negative against him, and even when in an interview he was asked to describe Hollande in a single word, he only said "empêché".
His only issue with Hollande is that he was unable to do what they wanted to do together, hence why he went to try and do it on his own.
 
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SolarPowered

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Congrats to France for not being full of Morons like the USA and the UK.

*Raises glass*
avaya said:
Guardian:

Macron’s choice of Beethoven’s Ode to Joy as the background music to his march to the stage was surely significant.

It has been used before: François Mitterrand, France’s Socialist president from 1981 to 1985, chose it for his victory celebration.

But the Ode to Joy, a musical setting of Schiller’s lyrical verse of the same name, is also the anthem of the European Union – an expression, the EU says, of Schiller’s vision of “the human race becoming brothers”.

EU leaders adopted it as the bloc’s anthem in 1985 and it is played at official ceremonies involving the EU “to celebrate the values member states share” rather than to replace their own national anthems.

Macron campaigned on a strong pro-European platform and explicitly said in his victory speech that “strengthening the European Union” was one of his goals as president. The first foreign leader to speak to him was Angela Merkel.

The president elect has often said his first priority in Brexit talks would be to “defend the integrity” of the EU. In his election manifesto he described Brexit as a “crime” that will leave the UK facing “servitude”.

His choice of music tonight would seem to send a particularly strong message to Theresa May.
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Just chiming in to say that this is one of my favorite gaf posts of the year.
 
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Coffinhal

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Alx said:
For those who missed it, Macron and Hollande had quite an emotional moment today when they both attended the 8th of May celebration.



Macron is said to be both the spiritual son/heir of Hollande, the latter having made his political career possible, and a traitor since he left Hollande's team to run for presidency on his own.
He killed the father, but the father is still proud of him. :')
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Storytelling at its best. (same goes for the Ode to Joy)
 
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Kilrogg

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Alx said:
He clearly does his best to get rid of that "son of Hollande" image that his opponents are using against him, but it is also obvious that there is still some emotional link between them. He never said anything negative against him, and even when in an interview he was asked to describe Hollande in a single word, he only said "empêché".
His only issue with Hollande is that he was unable to do what they wanted to do together, hence why he went to try and do it on his own.
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In Friday's Mediapart interview, he also described him as "honest". From what I remember, he essentially said that however unpopular he was, and no matter his disagreements with him on some issues, what you can't take away from him is that he wasn't marred in corruption and scandals. No wonder why Macron wants to make politics cleaner.
 
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berzeli

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New Statesman: Deep in Macron Country
As I step off the train in Roquefort, southern France, I sniff the air appreciatively. It's so good to be out of the Paris bubble, meeting some authentic French people to answer the biggest question in European politics: why did so many people vote for Emmanuel Macron? Was it a lack of economic anxiety, or a lack of racism?

Either way, their concerns deserve to be heard. Some might find them unpalatable, but history has taught us that repressing such views only makes them more virulent. It might not be pleasant to hear them, it might offend our sensibilities, but we have to share our towns and cities with pragmatic centrists, so we must strive to understand them. Too often, during this French presidential cycle, an out-of-touch media elite has failed to understand these people, connected to the political process, broadly trusting of the mainstream media, and what has driven them to vote for a liberal, globalising ex-banker who wants to deregulate the economy.
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The Macron voters article we deserve.
 
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kami_sama

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Funky Papa said:
Re: Sputnik garbage.

Politico.eu (I think it was Politico, but I can't find the piece at the moment) had an interesting take on Russian propaganda and how Putin may have overplayed his hand. Apparently Macron had no intense opinions on foreign policy as his forté is the economy, so trying to smear him in such an evident (and botched) way may have steered him far away from non-belligerence.
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Might have it been this one? http://www.politico.eu/article/emmanuel-macrons-foreign-policy-doctrines/
 
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Alrus

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Roquefort is fucking gross. Most blue cheeses are tbh.

On another topic, has there been any hints about who's going to be Macron's Prime Minister? I don't remember how the process works, do we have to wait until the Législatives to know?
 
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Alx

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No we'll know next Sunday (Monday at the latest) once the official transition with Hollande is done. Many names are being discussed all around, but apparently Macron won't say anything until then.
 
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Mael

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I was wondering when the transition period would end but a week is a bit...fast I'd say then again it's smaller than the US.

I guess this as good a place as any but
https://twitter.com/thegrugq/status/860643407223439360
For anyone who asks whether or not wikileaks ever propagated fakes, this is now the most recent example.

Also there's going to be a follow up on the fake news propagated by FN people.
Also libé article on some kind from Ménart media complaining about how people associate them with hoaxes and fake news
http://www.liberation.fr/desintox/2...usion-de-fake-news-par-la-fachosphere_1567848
 
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Gurgelhals

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Mael said:
I was wondering when the transition period would end but a week is a bit...fast I'd say then again it's smaller than the US.
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If France is anything like most Western European states then a long transition period is not necessary because most people working in the government are politically neutral civil servants which do not need to be replaced when a new President takes office. He just has to appoint a Prime Minister and the other ministers that make up the top brass of the new government.

If I understand the US system correctly, it's very different there, as a new President will bring in an almost entirely new staff when he takes office.
 
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Mass_Pincup

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Juncker couldn't wait more then a day before commenting on our interior spending. Then they wonder why people aren't that much favorable to the EU.
 
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Mael

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Gurgelhals said:
If France is anything like most Western European states then a long transition period is not necessary because most people working in the government are politically neutral civil servants which do not need to be replaced when a new President takes office. He just has to appoint a Prime Minister and the other ministers that make up the top brass of the new government.

If I understand the US system correctly, it's very different there, as a new President will bring in an almost entirely new staff when he takes office.
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Yeah I know that.
I actually know people who worked for Matignon but not at a cabinet level.
Most of the structure is intact regardless of who's running the show.
I just expected a little more time for the change to occur, not like there's much that will happen before the next election #thanksJospin #gofuckyourselfJospin #ChiracToo.
 
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Coffinhal

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Mael said:
I was wondering when the transition period would end but a week is a bit...fast I'd say then again it's smaller than the US.
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Having such a long "lame duck period/administration" (I love that expression) in the US always seemed retrograde to me in a modern democracy, but the way the political system works installed and made that transition kind of necessary (spoil-system, appointments in the Senate etc)

Given that the Parliament already ends its session in February and did fewer things the last 6 months, there's already a long period where there are no big decisions taken or new policies engaged, so 3 months would really be too much
 
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Mael

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Coffinhal said:
Having such a long "lame duck period/administration" (I love that expression) in the US always seemed retrograde to me in a modern democracy, but the way the political system works installed and made that transition kind of necessary (spoil-system, appointments in the Senate etc)

Given that the Parliament already ends its session in February and did fewer things the last 6 months, there's already a long period where there are no big decisions taken or new policies engaged, so 3 months would really be too much
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Yeah but we like lame duck presidents.
I'm not joking, the most we like our leaders is when they're either dead or when they can't rule properly.
Chirac was at the height of his popularity at the end of his 1st term when he couldn't do shit.
 
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Gurgelhals

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So what actually happens in terms of actual governing in the five weeks between Macron taking office and the second round of the legislative elections? Macron is going to appoint his government, but they're not going to be able to work an anything because the outgoing parliament with the old majorities is still in session until the end of June? And if the legislative elections go badly for him he's going to have to start from scratch again, or what?

chadskin said:
2019 will see the EU exit of Britain and Juncker. Glorious year!
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The best thing about all of this will of course be Farage leaving the European Parliament. I hope they'll give him the kind of farewell that he deserves.
 
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PieterJan

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Funky Papa said:
Juncker is a terrible politician and I cannot wait for him to fuck off into the sunset.
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There could be a whole new thread on the non existing competence of Juncker.
I'm a pro-European and its just embarrassing that he sits at the top of the Berlaymont.
I do wonder if someone could pull off an 'en marche!' stunt in the European Elections.

Ow and on the list of people that ought to leave: Schäuble.
 
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