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|OT| French Presidential Elect 2017 - La France est toujours insoumise; Le Pen loses
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You're lucky. I'll have to live under president Macron.
I was pretty invested in politics these past two years but I think I'm gonna shut everything off from now on. I'm disgusted.
Yes. Macron 24%, Le Pen 21.8%
Yup. Just take a big long look at our dumbasses over here.
Is it good or bad?
hobblygobbly
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Yep FN grew in popularity over time because it began "softening" its public image, even though a lot of its more heinous views still exist in the background. FN used to be a fringe party, a party of skin heads, now it's much more "soft" for the general public as well.
Which is really bad as it displays the trend of a lot of the far-right/"alt-right" globally of changing their image to be more appealing but hiding their true intentions.
Like that one ex-Nazi said on Vox, the Nazis/far-right are "softening" their image, they're coming in forms of nice haircuts and suits, not the skin heads their public image used to be and people are falling for it.
RPGCrazied
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Tell that to the Bernie or bust people. They did the same thing. Some even voted for Trump.
See if you burn it all down, you can rebuild it in your image. That's how it works!
Depends. Do you like Macron ? 'cause he's the next president.
harriet the spy
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It's good for macron. For the longest time she was expected to come first
Bam Bam Baklava
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Because they're the kind of freaks who want to burn it all down. It's not about ideology.
Not really. Macron took support from both LR and the Socialists, though I reckon more so from the Socialists, where his primary base derived from. No doubt the scandal ensured that he came first, since Fillon's campaign has virtually been dead since that broke.
Melanchon was a surprise no poll predicted until recently. If you look at the polling trends, it appeared that there were only three viable candidates, Le Pen, Macron and Fillon. Even before Melanchon's surge Hamon was floundering. Hollande killed any hope for a Socialist candidate winning.
The primary difference is that Le Pen this time was always predicted to reach the second round, at least for almost a year now. She has a distinct supporter base that is much larger and more effective than the rag-tag FN in 2002 when it was run by Jean-Marie.
Golden_Pigeon
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I think there are hards tendencies who explain the progressive rise of the far-right. A socialist refundation around Melenchon and Hamon would have stopped those tendencies..
Sgt. Kabukiman
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Exactly. I'd like to live in a world where I can act all smug and say that Macron doesn't represent my ideals but to hell with it, he'll get my vote instead of the racist fuck campaigning against him. It's 2017, let's not get complacent.
Garrett Hawke
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Red Arremer
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I wouldn't say it with that much certainty yet, but if Austria can pull it off, then France hopefully can too.
But as someone else rightly said: Never underestimate the capability of the population to be conned.
Eh, people are mostly dogpiling old
My comment was mainly 'cause I was getting flashbacks to last year, but I fully expect y'all not to repeat that mistake.
RPGCrazied
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Is Canada/Germany the only place right now that doesn't have some sort of far right imbecile leading their country?
If you don't vote, you vote Le Pen. It's that simple.
Good for 45% of people, bad for the remaining 55%?
Not sure.
Though I don't remember any candidate saying he doesn't understand what he reads in his speech when talking about its projects for France in a meeting, so that's a first. ^_^
(bonus point for honesty, though, the others don't SAY it, but I'm pretty sure they sometimes don't UNDERSTAND it either)
harriet the spy
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Lol. Good thing they have such different politics over there
Reading r/france and seeing people say they're abstaining because Melenchon lost - ugh.
Also I just realized, Fillon won't get immunity
But wouldnt these people vote for Le Pen? I am not a big expert on french politics, but Melechon gave me the feeling that voting for him would be first and foremost voting against the EU while dont want to get in bed with the far right?
Netherlands just voted no against such person.
Macron is more or less a moderate so if he wins tue runoff it's a lot better than Le Pen, who is basically the closest candidate France has to Trump.
Yeah..But I'm not Japanese so naturally I will be less invested. It doesn't touch me the same way.
Blackquill
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You got a point, but this guy is the worst when it comes to that
Ah, so these were all Russian trolls then?
Japanese politics make me feel good about French politics. It's quite sad here. Here's an article from this past week: http://www.economist.com/news/asia/...sition-says-its-squeezing-civil-liberties-new
RPGCrazied
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Well, I guess the world hasn't gone to total shit yet. That's good.
No. The anti-EU stuff is overblown.
Exactly, and unfortunately they are much more effective in harnessing the popular discontent and latent nationalist sentiment than the centre-right traditionally were. So we're seeing far-right supersede the traditional right-wing 'conservatives'. Pretty much what happened during the Weimar Republic...
Red Arremer
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Merkel's party, the CDU, is center-right, actually. It just also so happens that Merkel herself is a very moderate CDU member.
Also, plenty of countries where there's no right winger at the helm, but right wing movements are everywhere in Western societies.
Pizza con salsiccia
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Depends on your beliefs, your ideology, and your opinions.
Still sad for my man Dupont-Aignan
So it's Le Pen-Macron in two weeks. As I expectd it would be. Even though Le Pen is in the final vote I want to think that about 20% of all votes is just a small chunk. It's just 20% of France, that want to give a far right populist and racist, that's also sponsored by Putin, their vote. It could be worse.
It's second best case scenario; Macron has the best chance of beating Le Pen but it would've been even better if Le Pen had just been thrown out in the first round.
They voted for his economic policies over all else probably, I read quite a few that were weary of his EU/NATO stance actually.
Vlaams Belang 2019!
My parents may actually vote for them because apparently Bart De Wever is now too mainstream.
whyamihere
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Le Pen coming in second is still pretty delicious given how long she was leading.
Le Samourai
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What's wrong with Macron?
From reading about him briefly on Wikipedia he seems ideal.
From reading about him briefly on Wikipedia he seems ideal.
Pizza con salsiccia
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Italy, yeah, terrible example.
Second prime minister in a row we have here who hasn't been elected by anyone to get the job.
Bam Bam Baklava
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Also, yeah: if you live in France and Le Pen disgusts you, then please, PLEASE vote for Macron. Don't make the same mistake people in the US did thinking Clinton was a shoo in. Take this shit seriously. I get that he's not everyone's favorite candidate (it sounds like he has a lot of the same problems Clinton did tbh) but for Pete's sake, a loaf of bread would be better than Le Pen.
Like how Melanchon's support for authoritarian South American socialist regimes and Putin were 'overblown'?
Right wing economics stance mostly.
Mélenchon is, if not a europhobe, then at the very least a euroskeptic. That said, anecdotally, the majority of my friends who voted for Mélenchon did so in spite of, not because of, his European views.
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