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|OT| French Presidential Elect 2017 - La France est toujours insoumise; Le Pen loses

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CoolOff

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Second round polls:

Opinion_polling_for_the_French_presidential_election%2C_2017_Macron%E2%80%93Le_Pen.png


EU is safe.
 

Koren

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Now that I think about it, PS isn't that far from missing the 5% threshold, which would have been a financial blow, unless I'm mistaken?

Macron is more or less a moderate so if he wins tue runoff it's a lot better than Le Pen, who is basically the closest candidate France has to Trump.
She's far less clueless that Trump was (although I think Trump is learning quickly). Not that their ideas are good.
 

woodland

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Bloomberg reporting MLP 24.9% of vote w/ Macron at 21.1% according to interior ministry - is this old? Kinda sucks if that's true, but still expecting Macron to crush her.
 

azyless

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Mélenchon is, if not a europhobe, then at the very least a euroskeptic. That said, anecdotally, the majority of my friends who voted for Mélenchon did so in spite of, not because of, his European views.

Like how Melanchon's support for authoritarian South American socialist regimes and Putin were 'overblown'?
I mean that saying Mélenchon voters want to leave the EU is categorically false. As stated above I imagine most Mélenchon voters did so in spite of his stance on the EU.
 

Tamanator

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Mélenchon is, if not a europhobe, then at the very least a euroskeptic. That said, anecdotally, the majority of my friends who voted for Mélenchon did so in spite of, not because of, his European views.

For interest's sake, what was the key differences for those people between Hamon and Melenchon?
 

Fistwell

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...do any of them?
Different degrees of disconnect. Obviously, poutou and arthaud do. Hamon comes from upper middle class, but he's floated around normal people quite a bit. He studied in my hometown's no-name uni. Macron has shown ignorance and contempt for blue-collar workers.
 
And Sam Wang gave Clinton a 100% chance of winning.

Polls unquestionably have their place but people should not let their guard down because of them.

polls said Clinton would win the popular vote by 2-3%....she won the popular vote by 2%

but do go on about how the polls were trash
 
Tell that to the Bernie or bust people. They did the same thing. Some even voted for Trump.

I think you should look up what bust means because you obviously dont know.

If you bust you're out of the game. There is no vote for Trump...they busted on Bernie. You are saying something else entirely...contorting definitions to fit your agenda.

You should take a walk and think about how you're being manipulated by whatever forces you put into your life that you're willing to speak without your words making any sense. Trump would be proud of you.

Did some Bernie voters vote for Trump? I dont know any and my guess is neither do you. They werent Bernie or Busters which is oxymoronic or Bernie Bros, the latter of which doesnt even exist unless you count males who supported Bernie passionately, what a crime!

You're talking nonsense.
 

LordKano

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And Sam Wang gave Clinton a 100% chance of winning.

Polls unquestionably have their place but people should not let their guard down because of them.

Polls gave the exact same result as the one from tonight. People should really stop doubting them everytime they can.
 

Keasar

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No, don't know where you saw that. It is close though... all 4 main candidates are polling within 2-3% of each other.

Second round polls:

Opinion_polling_for_the_French_presidential_election%2C_2017_Macron%E2%80%93Le_Pen.png


EU is safe.

The only poll I trust is the one after the election, I rather see a graph saying that there is a all-time high in voting participation of people who woke up after the US. election and UK Brexit election going "Fuck, if I don't vote, those assholes might actually ruin my country as well!"
 

BiggNife

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polls said Clinton would win the popular vote by 2-3%....she won the popular vote by 2%

but do go on about how the polls were trash
I don't think polls are trash at all and if you actually read my post you'd see I said that

I just think some people get super complacent by seeing a poll and thinking "oh Macron has it in the bag, guess I shouldn't vote" and that's when shit goes south.
 
Tell that to the Bernie or bust people. They did the same thing. Some even voted for Trump.
They don't care about policy, they only care about satisfying their own feelings and emotions. They're just as bad as some Trump supporters.

Hope the French people understand the rise of the far right needs to be stopped.
 

Jisgsaw

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I mean that saying Mélenchon voters want to leave the EU is categorically false. As stated above I imagine most Mélenchon voters did so in spite of his stance on the EU.

I would agree with that. Which is why instead of Frexit, he promise a renegotiation of the treaties.
 

Hazzuh

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Say what you will about the French centre-right, at least they rally against the extreme right when the time comes. Others should take note.
 
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