Doh I just realized both games are from the same company haha.『Inaba Resident』;204873738 said:
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Overwatch marks a new low in Unlocking and Microtransaction systems that I'm aware of
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Warnen
Don't pass gaas, it is your Destiny!
Agreed.
Gravy Boat
Member
Explain how is it progression. Remember that everything that's unlockable ingame is random and cosmetic. If some people want to pay for entirely optional crates, and fund future free heroes and maps, how is that a bad thing for me?
Steve Youngblood
Member
I don't think anyone ever argued that they mean nothing. The argument is just that it's not crucial. In the midst of an Overwatch match, it doesn't really matter if you have unlocked a particular dialogue line or article of clothing, does it? If you're playing the game for the sake of playing the game, none of this is crucial in the way that characters or weapons behind a paywall would be. That's the "pass" the game is getting.
So youre angry the are capitalizing on people having poor impulse control for stuff that doesnt affect gameplay in any way?
In most sectors of civilised society its generally frowned upon to take advantage of people's psychological foibles to exploit more money out of them. Which makes it odd seeing people excuse, or worse champion, the behaviour when it comes to monetising videogames.
Explain how its not progression, you have a level which increases as you gain XP, it may have no mechanical impact but the game does have explicit progression. Also in a broader sense completing your collection of cosmetics is also progression. Though I dont think that arguing that OW's mt's are bad because they retard ones progression is a meaningful or worthwhile objection to them.
Warnen
Don't pass gaas, it is your Destiny!
You play, you level up, you get a box. Whats not to understand? Just cause its cosmetic doesn't mean its not progression. In many MP games when you level up you get new skins, the fact that its random is even worse and promotes the use of Micro transaction.
If you don't see the issue with micro transactions in full price game, especially ones that by pass the in game mechanics, congratulations EA/Ubisoft/Activision just fount the customer they are looking for.
Hope your will is strong...
Bear Force One
Banned
LMAO you're dug in deep now. I'm out.
Warnen
Don't pass gaas, it is your Destiny!
Yeah but face it these games are kinda about showing off. Just like Hats in TF2 people are going to want them skins. Nothing wrong with that just disappointed its oked in a full priced game. Like I said earlier it would have been easier to swallow if it was a cheaper game like Rocket League.
No, I'm only disappointed that its ok for a full priced game can have gameplay by passing micro transactions and its seems to be OK if its Overwatch.
Thought I'd add the prices up in GBP for all these (I have no idea if any of these packs are a "Get everything" pack) and it comes to approximately £536.40
That's enough to buy a PS4 and an Xbox One providing you can find the right deals.
BladeoftheImmortal
Member
Of course we'd have people defend this.
Pellegri Testament
Member
Defend what? The OP or microtransactions that people should honestly just stop having a hissy fit over because they're here to stay? I mean, have you looked at the one liners that the OP is complaining about?
Who says it's not ok when other games do it? Show us examples.
PandaAttack
Banned
Probably it has been mentioned before but you don't need to unlock them to hear them.
BladeoftheImmortal
Member
Ah yes, we should just accept everything that's here to stay.
Triscuitable
Member
It's not like 25 coins is hard to come by. If you really, really want what amounts to flavor text for a hero, go for it, I guess.
Maps and heroes in the future will be free. This model simply funds development of that content without splitting the community up. It's actually a smart way of doing it, in retrospect.
Would you rather buy a $50 "season pass" that includes content you're unsure of, potentially disappointing heroes, and bad maps? Or are you happier with a $40 game that eschews that crap in favor of loot boxes you can earn through normal gameplay?
Maps and heroes in the future will be free. This model simply funds development of that content without splitting the community up. It's actually a smart way of doing it, in retrospect.
Would you rather buy a $50 "season pass" that includes content you're unsure of, potentially disappointing heroes, and bad maps? Or are you happier with a $40 game that eschews that crap in favor of loot boxes you can earn through normal gameplay?
Warnen
Don't pass gaas, it is your Destiny!
That's exactly what it means.
It may not mean that any form of transaction is ok, but there's a difference between paying 60$ upfront, and nothing at all.
Steve Youngblood
Member
My issue here is just that this seems like an argument lost in time. For those of us that didn't hibernate for the last ten years, micro-transactions and DLC in various forms have become the norm whether the game is F2P or not. So the idea that we need to take a stand here against this trend is just venturing into old man yells at clouds or JumanjiWhatYearIsThis.gif territory.
Now, that doesn't mean that all micro transactions get a pass. But for those of us living in 2016, the question becomes "what is the nature of these micro transactions?" And when the answer is that they are purely cosmetic and not impactful on the core gameplay experience, many of us are willing to give that a pass, particularly when playing the game on its own can also achieve unlocking things without paying more real money.
Pellegri Testament
Member
Like it or not, the gaming community has accepted it by consistently buying into them. Have you even looked into this games microtransactions or are you another OP that believes one liner memes are the biggest piece of lore gaming has ever had, and locking them behind anything, even when you don't have to pay a dime for them, is the greatest front to your enjoyment?
Not cosmetic. Simply there for money grab and could break the game (especially the MP stuff). Overwatch has cosmetic (gameplay irrelevant) microstrascations that will finance future free maps and heroes (gameplay relevant).
Video games are incredibly expensive to make, micro-transactions that don't affect gameplay are one of the best ways to please gamers while still making money.
Any specific examples from the past few years?
Steve Youngblood
Member
Assuming I was playing Overwatch on consoles (I'm not), would this be an appropriate time to rant about how it's bullshit that I have to buy PS+ or Gold to play online on consoles and blame Overwatch for that?
KLoWn
Member
If it's cosmetics that you can easily get for free, doesn't affect gameplay, and contributes to the fact that all future maps & heroes will be free, then yes, I'll accept it.
Triscuitable
Member
Or buy a $15 map pack every time I want to play the new Call of Duty maps with my friends.
Or a $50 season pass if I don't to miss out on "Premium Events".
This is being brought up a lot, but for some reason is being ignored.
And as a big mp gamer I agree. Gamers get free content and the community isn't split.
Warnen
Don't pass gaas, it is your Destiny!
Actually seems like my argument here is what Progression means.
While I agree micro transactions are here to stay this is literally the only game I've played that isn't a mobile game that lets you skip all in game progression for money.
Thats seems to be ok for a lot you guys, its crossing a line for me.
How do you think it lets you do that? You only get to buy randomized loot boxes with money. That doesn't skip anything. The game's progression is your level. That doesn't get affected. The transaction doesn't affect the gameplay at all. It doesn't improve your reward quality. It doesn't guarantee you an item you want.
You're drawing some real arbitrary lines in the sand to make a really weak argument.
You have to be level 25 to play in Comp mode, you can't buy your way into that. Casual matchmaking pairs you based on your level, which you can't buy either. The only way you can progress in this game is to play a lot, buying skins doesn't help you in any way.
It has been brought up quite a bit but i have yet to see anyone provide a source or proof of this? i have yet to hear blizzard say anything about future content bring free (not taking sides)
Why do cosmetics mean so much to you? Do you only play games to hit 100% and not to enjoy them? The entire meat of Overwatch is there after the initial purchase. The microtranscations for more of a tip jar than anything else, a tip jar that will feed back to the players down the line.
DirtyLarry
Member
You are not alone. I am the same way. Have not even looked at the skins or sprays or whatever else I have unlocked. I really do not care what my character looks like whatsoever.
KLoWn
Member
I'm too lazy to go fetch it, but it's been said multiple times in various outlets.
I think they said it in they're developer videos they released during the beta too.
NoctisVsStar
Member
Are folks so weak when it comes to cosmetics? Lol
TheSpoiler
Member
You aren't progressing in the game by unlocking stuff or buying it. The core game is available to you. All the weapons, characters, and free DLC will be in the future.
You can unlock it like you did with games in the past, or you can spend money. You can debate whether or not A impacts B (it does) and how bad it is, but to note that progression is tied to these unlocks is being completely hyperbolic.
Steve Youngblood
Member
My takeaway is that it seems like the crux of the issue here is that you don't think there's enough content in this game to justify the price. And instead of arguing that point, you're going on this odd tangent rallying against microtransactions that only exist to speed up the existing unlocks that you can already get playing the game without spending money on microtransactions.
I am all for a game only monetizing aesthetic content if it means they will make any new gameplay content for it for free. People who care about hats funding future heroes and maps? Great! And this way the community will never become divided.
But capitalism exploits the fuck out the behavior of the consumer?
For some reason I feel like if the game had a season pass that included all maps, characters and all of these skins that you'd be happier that way since that's how almost everyone else does it. This is the best system that I can hope for in a AAA multiplayer game these days everything else on the market is horrible, I'm confused why this one bothers you so much just for some skins and random voice lines.
Um, what?
Why would *anyone* care about narrative of any sort in a competitive multiplayer-only game?
TransTrender
Gold Member
Hah, you're probably right about the bolded part...and yup this is the best system I have seen to date and I can only hope it catches on.
Seriously, the world needs to know why these people are freaking out because it hasn't yet been articulated here. All I see is absurdity coming from them.
katsubento
Member
If this makes you upset, you should never play another new game. Your head might explode with anger.
Lighten up OP.
Lighten up OP.
I think it's important that they're also REASONABLE to unlock whatever you want without spending a dime as well. Lots of F2P games work under the 'hey you can totally get all the power you need' without spending a dime, but the grind is unreal for those, and generally cosmetics are moeny walled no matter what. Here the former doesn't exist as any progression, and the latter is VERY leniently 'grindy'
Because these characters are actual characters, not just floating guns. But then again, I also have an ongoing interest in the TF2 storyline, so I may be an anomaly.
Still don't agree with OP, I like the unlock system in Overwatch and salute the folks kind enough to buy loot boxes and subsidise new maps.
UpDownLeftRight
Banned
See this is what confuses me. We're in a situation where those who can afford microtransactions for skins can buy them and as a result they fund content that everyone who owns the game gets for free. This is basically the best possible situation we could have hoped to come out of the multiplayer DLC fiasco that's been going on for years. I don't want to go back to being limited to maps because I don't want to shell out extra cash for them. This is a really good thing for me and I go out of my way to support games with this model.
BannedEpisode
Member
I don't own Overwatch but I am dumbfounded by the hatred for its micro transactions. They are cosmetic items that are unlockable by playing. Hell, from what I'm reading they even let you get coins as you open boxes so you eventually can get specific desired items.
This seems like a non issue. Something about this game sets people off.
This seems like a non issue. Something about this game sets people off.