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Nuno Pinto
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I can talk more, but I feel like I'm very annoying sometimes as it is lol, and then I feel bad for it.
It's also harder when I'm support and the change has to be made by the tanks/dps, and they might not be used to play the character that's needed. It can be complicated, and as a support I really don't like to ask another person to change to it so I can go dps/tank instead. That's on me though.
Play him more often on attack then. If they don't have a Tracer or Sombra behind our backs being annoying you can do a lot of damage while providing half the healing that Mercy does, while not putting yourself in danger. His ult is also much better to counter the enemies ults, why risk it waiting for everyone to die when you can prevent the deaths and get some kills while "invulnerable" at the same time in the first place? It's more useful on attack imo.
Torb should be first on my list.
I agree with what you are saying, but sometimes it's hard to do that depending on the people that are on.
But it could be a start.
Ok, well then let's discuss team comps and fill those with people instead.
Dive:
Genji -
Tracer -
Winston -
Zarya -
Lucio -
Zenyatta -
Deathball:
Reinhardt -
Roadhog -
D.Va -
Ana/Mercy -
Lucio -
Soldier -
Barrierwatch:
Reinhardt -
Orisa -
Soldier -
Pharah -
Mercy -
Zenyatta -
Choke breaker:
Lucio -
Sombra -
Reinhardt -
Soldier -
Hanzo/Junkrat/Roadhog/McCree (2) -
Those are some quick ideas
UltimaPooh
Member
I hardly hide and let you guys die.
Zen is just so boring. Throw harmony here... Throw discord there. Hope you guys capitalize on the discord. Wait for Ulta to use transcendence.
EDIT: So the two I play are in barrier watch...
Zen follows up on his own Discords. A Discorded body shot is 60 damage, just barely less than a shot from McCree at his most effective range.
Vault Dweller 111
Member
I could do any of those and feel comfortable. Obviously some are better than others. But most characters are mechanics oriented anyway and I know the mechanics of the game.
And I'm not being a smartass. Give me any of those roles in those comps and I'm perfectly fine with it. I've put hundreds of hours into the game, I'd know my role. For whatever reason I will never be good with Genji, or Hanzo, or Mercy. There are exceptions. But the game isn't super complicated for most characters.
Cheat Code
Member
When you get a double knockoff with Reinhardt ult waste + Sombra kill as Winston in overtime.
This is what I live for.
This is what I live for.
Nuno Pinto
Member
Can play all characters on that list besides Orisa and Sombra. My mercy can be questionable too I guess, though I don't feel like I do bad with her.
Not when you have all the medals.
Not when you have all the medals.
UltimaPooh
Member
Hmmmm.
Looks like I'll need to look at some strat videos for him.
His aiming has just felt wonky to me ever since I went all in on Mercy this season.
These are just ideas, please feel free to mix them up as you like
biscuit is a good symmetra on the defend holly.
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/136298291
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/136298291
Vault Dweller 111
Member
I like the idea, but it still feels too static.
When you go Sombra our reaction shouldn't be "oh Buttchin so quirky,
"YOU BETTER SWITCH IF IT DOESNT WORK"
And then just go about our business with regular picks.
We need to get aboard the Sombra train:
Need discord, Zen
With a Winston we could wreck havoc on the back line.
Mercy probably won't work in this comp, let's go with Lucio
Whoa looks like we've somehow made this crazy dive team, maybe a Tracer or Genji will fit in
Zarya is always good!
There are tons of combinations that become available if we are just confident in our picks.
Instead our comp just looks normal with a Sombra replacing Soldier and the results are predictably awful.
Same shit with Orisa, if it's happening then get onboard folks. And if it doesn't work then we can change everything. But if the other team is anything like us, then the weird ass comp has a great chance of completely crippling them.
Cancer defense
Symmetra -
Torbjorn -
Mercy -
Reinhardt -
Soldier/Pharah -
Mei -
Anti-air
Soldier -
McCree -
Zenyatta -
Mercy -
Winston/Orisa/Zarya -
Reinhardt -
Tankbuster
Roadhog -
Reaper -
Junkrat/Hanzo -
Zenyatta -
Orisa/Reinhardt -
Lucio/Mercy/Ana -
Split comp
Genji/Tracer -
Winston -
Lucio -
Pharah -
Reinhardt -
Mercy -
Symmetra -
Torbjorn -
Mercy -
Reinhardt -
Soldier/Pharah -
Mei -
Anti-air
Soldier -
McCree -
Zenyatta -
Mercy -
Winston/Orisa/Zarya -
Reinhardt -
Tankbuster
Roadhog -
Reaper -
Junkrat/Hanzo -
Zenyatta -
Orisa/Reinhardt -
Lucio/Mercy/Ana -
Split comp
Genji/Tracer -
Winston -
Lucio -
Pharah -
Reinhardt -
Mercy -
killdatninja
Banned
This thread moves way to quick!
@Batman, I agree with you, we need more variety in the team comp. But more importantly, it all comes down to our DPS guys being comfortable in their position. We have a lot of tank/support mains, we only usually have one DPS main who's comfortable switching to another DPS, we need people to start flexing their QP experiments during matches when necessary!
@ultima, I can play support if necessary! Except, ND & Batman hate when I go support :/
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You had some good points yesterday... The last point on kings row with the super late switching, it was harsh but needed to be said. "You know what just happened right there.. that can never happen again." LOL
Also, you made a very good point about when we switch the team comp. Even when we switch to a different team composition, there are times that we're lost in the game plan so we're stuck playing the choke point game... without a Rein. The times that we do have a game plan/adapt on the fly, we've been able to score some wins.
@Batman, I agree with you, we need more variety in the team comp. But more importantly, it all comes down to our DPS guys being comfortable in their position. We have a lot of tank/support mains, we only usually have one DPS main who's comfortable switching to another DPS, we need people to start flexing their QP experiments during matches when necessary!
@ultima, I can play support if necessary! Except, ND & Batman hate when I go support :/
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You had some good points yesterday... The last point on kings row with the super late switching, it was harsh but needed to be said. "You know what just happened right there.. that can never happen again." LOL
Also, you made a very good point about when we switch the team comp. Even when we switch to a different team composition, there are times that we're lost in the game plan so we're stuck playing the choke point game... without a Rein. The times that we do have a game plan/adapt on the fly, we've been able to score some wins.
dva is not bad for anti pharah too
Vault Dweller 111
Member
It's an issue but we shouldn't just brute force our way trough the problem.
I'm not going say that it's easier to win if we don't have anyone in a six stack who wants to DPS but there are options. Give a monkey Soldier 76 and tell him to shoot the shields and in the direction of the enemies and he's doing a decent job.
No DPS but love tanks? Triple (quad?) tank time. Okay but now you need more damage, discord orb! Need even more damage output? Okay Rein you're benched, Orisa has a gatling gun. Ana makes her glorious return!
There are ways to do it. Not saying it's ideal, but probably more ideal than telling someone who wants to be Winston to play Pharah instead because we NEED 2 DPS.
Karsticles
Member
I think most people here are better than me. 
Also, I think Zen needs an escape ability. He should be able to levitate Pharah-style for a brief period of time so you can go up ledges and such.
Also, I think Zen needs an escape ability. He should be able to levitate Pharah-style for a brief period of time so you can go up ledges and such.
Vault Dweller 111
Member
:'(
What I lack in skill I make up for in....uh... well... making fun of Owzers? And nano boosting Buttchin when he has no ult.
I'm essential!
LucidMomentum
Member
Last night I lost 100 SR but didn't care because I hadn't played in like a week and just laughed off all the toxicity.
I had a guy from SEA and a 12 year old Genji main arguing about who should switch off DPS while none of them had any real impact on the game lol.
Then another match I played Mercy for the first time in like a month and had 30% of the team's damage healed and the AFK Junkrat who stalled our push for a minute and a half had the gall to call me a "bad Mercy" when I'd call out every flank and even 1v1'd a McCree by myself since no one was alive so I could get Rez.
Like, last week I would've been salty. I think I've just given up on Diamond and will roll with the punches.
I had a guy from SEA and a 12 year old Genji main arguing about who should switch off DPS while none of them had any real impact on the game lol.
Then another match I played Mercy for the first time in like a month and had 30% of the team's damage healed and the AFK Junkrat who stalled our push for a minute and a half had the gall to call me a "bad Mercy" when I'd call out every flank and even 1v1'd a McCree by myself since no one was alive so I could get Rez.
Like, last week I would've been salty. I think I've just given up on Diamond and will roll with the punches.
Yeah if you run sombra she can't be your main DPS. She can finish of the kills and harass the enemy team. Hacking the tanks will make your tanks life so much easier and you can get ult every fight. Combo it with certain ults and you should win fights easily.
They can be used to set up big ults too like earthshatter, though you could just hack rein.
The one role everyone feels comfortable with.
Nuno Pinto
Member
I just started counting my loss and wins on SR and holy fuck it's astonishing how weird the algorithm is.
2712>2686 - 26 pt loss
2686>2663 - 23 pt loss
2663>2682 - 19 pt gain
2682>2700 - 18 pt gain
2700>2672 - 28 pt loss
How the fuck did I lose 28 pts!!! WTF. And I won two prior, that's so much SR to lose, imo.
2712>2686 - 26 pt loss
2686>2663 - 23 pt loss
2663>2682 - 19 pt gain
2682>2700 - 18 pt gain
2700>2672 - 28 pt loss
How the fuck did I lose 28 pts!!! WTF. And I won two prior, that's so much SR to lose, imo.
Pharah is like a worse Junkrat if she plays with/behind her team. She needs to flank to be effective.
D.Va is essential for anti-Pharah. She shuts down her ult completely, harasses her very well, and is almost impervious to her as long as she's reasonably close to a healer.
What role were you playing? What was the SR difference between the two teams?
Mostly DPS/Tank and Support in one match.
Never really looked at SR difference. Anyways down to 2651 now due to a widow and junkrat stack that decided to troll.
killdatninja
Banned
We've done triple tank before, but I think it's just the way we ran it that might of been an issue. We didn't change up our tactics and positioning, which is exactly what ND was referring to... we end up using a Rein strat without the Rein and it usually never works.
The pharah example you gave is weird, if you were there last night, you would of seen 4-5 people fighting to play her! Sometimes we do need more than 1 real DPS though, and we all have QP only heroes that we actually do well with enough that we should try it out in comp. Instead, we get the dry classic meta picks cause everyone is too afraid of getting blamed for the loss (this includes me, I'm Zarya 95% of our gaf matches).
LucidMomentum
Member
Vault Dweller 111
Member
I wasn't there last night! My example didn't pertain to anything specific.
Can we get a stack going? I want to try some weird comps.
Nuno Pinto
Member
I'm on P5, if I see you guys playing I'll join.
UltimaPooh
Member
Ill get on and practice ana.
killdatninja
Banned
Of course east coasters would be on now :/
I'll be on in a couple of hours.. if anyone is still on.
I'll be on in a couple of hours.. if anyone is still on.
UltimaPooh
Member
Ill be on maybe. Gotta cut off at 9 central.
Cheat Code
Member
When you have a two-stack that argue that you dont need to group up with Pharah because it wastes time.
We are wasting time because the Pharah got killed every time she showed up.
We are wasting time because the Pharah got killed every time she showed up.
I mean the cavs are going to repeat against the warriors in 6 with bron getting MVP instead of Kyrie even tho kyrie will be the clutch one Idk why you watching the game friend but ok
Also what is the overall highlights in the next patch
Sp3eD
0G M3mbeR
Her slowdown during her freeze beam and ultimate was broke. People can walk through them like fortified orisa's
Made elimination unplayable for me as I effectively can't kill genji or any other fast character without luck icicles.
Her m1 and ult didn't slow people down. It got patched today on PC but not sure how they never noticed it.
This was on console. Did it somehow not make it on there?
I'm not sure if it did. If it did dunno if you got the patch either. It was 300mb today so if you get an update of that size it'll be that. I would assume you got both.
Terareflection
Member
Lost 50 points and got a two hour ban, because I accidentally dled an PSN update.
Forever 3300s
Forever 3300s
She can do it anywhere, Junk can only do it from behind the team. Ones like illos and Hollywood are perfect for her. Doesn't even need to be close on those maps, while she pops up safely at random points.
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