• Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.

Overwatch |OT9| There is no Cow Hero

antitrop

Member
New patch on PC just now. Should be the Mei fix.

Patch Notes for new page:

BUG FIXES

General
Fixed an issue that caused the game client to crash when Overwatch was launched

Arcade
Fixed a bug preventing the Null Sector bots from spawning during the payload escort phase of the Overwatch Uprising brawl
The Overwatch Uprising 2017 player icon will now unlock when you log into the event
Firing shots while standing on the payload in Overwatch Uprising will no longer cause accuracy issues for your hero
Fixed an issue preventing players from placing turrets on moving platforms (i.e. the payload)
The Overwatch Uprising scorecard now correctly tracks stats from Sombra's Hack
The Overwatch Uprising scorecard now correctly tracks Ana's healing stats
The Overwatch Uprising scorecard now correctly tracks D.Va's enemy eliminations

Competitive Play
Fixed an issue that could cause inaccurate results when breaking ties based on capture percentage on Assault and Assault/Escort maps

Heroes
Fixed an issue that allowed players to move freely when being hit by Mei's Blizzard or Endothermic Blaster
Fixed a bug causing D.Va's hair to be rigid in the Selfie highlight intro when her Palanquin skin is equipped
Fixed a bug causing Soldier: 76's cape to clip during the Push-Ups emote when his Strike Commander Morrison, Daredevil: 76, or Stunt Rider: 76 skin was equipped
Fixed a bug causing the ice on Pharah's Frostbite skin to stretch when her Flair emote was activated

Maps
Fixed a bug causing glass that has been shattered by an explosion to be colored black
 

DevilDog

Member
Heroes of the storm skins are horrible. Incredibly flashy and completely tasteless.

Thankfully Overwatch is doing better that that. Sometimes I forget it's made from Blizzard. Things have changed.
 
I think Owzers should main Symmetra and we should drop Rein from our usual team comp.

If we need a barrier I'll play Orisa.

I'm not kidding either, Owzers doesn't have to play Symm 100% of the time, but we don't need a Rein, we suck at playing behind one anyway, and makes us very hesitant to engage a lot of the time. Orisa can be mini Rein with way better damage output (usually seems lacking in our comps) and she counters other Rein's decently, I think we could make it work.
 
I asked this before and sorry if it's been answered and I missed it, but is Genji's Oni skin still available if I download HOTS?

Or was that a limited time promotion?

----

Patch Notes for new page:

BUG FIXES

Arcade
Fixed a bug preventing the Null Sector bots from spawning during the payload escort phase of the Overwatch Uprising brawl

Good. That bug was pretty cheap and on higher difficulties, the escort gets tense ayy eff with the payload's life dropping.

Pretty sure you don't appear online any more or dropped me from your friends list.

Yeah, last I checked TJ was still on my friends list but I haven't seen him online for about 2 seasons now.
 

Skii

Member
Patch Notes for new page:

BUG FIXES

General
Fixed an issue that caused the game client to crash when Overwatch was launched

Arcade
Fixed a bug preventing the Null Sector bots from spawning during the payload escort phase of the Overwatch Uprising brawl
The Overwatch Uprising 2017 player icon will now unlock when you log into the event
Firing shots while standing on the payload in Overwatch Uprising will no longer cause accuracy issues for your hero
Fixed an issue preventing players from placing turrets on moving platforms (i.e. the payload)
The Overwatch Uprising scorecard now correctly tracks stats from Sombra’s Hack
The Overwatch Uprising scorecard now correctly tracks Ana’s healing stats
The Overwatch Uprising scorecard now correctly tracks D.Va’s enemy eliminations

Competitive Play
Fixed an issue that could cause inaccurate results when breaking ties based on capture percentage on Assault and Assault/Escort maps

Heroes
Fixed an issue that allowed players to move freely when being hit by Mei’s Blizzard or Endothermic Blaster
Fixed a bug causing D.Va’s hair to be rigid in the Selfie highlight intro when her Palanquin skin is equipped
Fixed a bug causing Soldier: 76’s cape to clip during the Push-Ups emote when his Strike Commander Morrison, Daredevil: 76, or Stunt Rider: 76 skin was equipped
Fixed a bug causing the ice on Pharah’s Frostbite skin to stretch when her Flair emote was activated

Maps
Fixed a bug causing glass that has been shattered by an explosion to be colored black

So they fix all the bugs they introduced last week except for Genji lmao. Someone at blizzard actually hates him.
 

Blizzard

Banned
Good. That bug was pretty cheap and on higher difficulties, the escort gets tense ayy eff with the payload's life dropping.
I've still never seen a Legendary (non-all-heroes) team get the payload moving after days of playing, and anyone who used the glitch will still have their spray + achievement, so I think it's pretty mean to make it even harder. It's already an insane mode. If anyone has gotten that far and wants to team up, please drop me a PM.
 

Owzers

Member
I think Owzers should main Symmetra and we should drop Rein from our usual team comp.

If we need a barrier I'll play Orisa.

I'm not kidding either, Owzers doesn't have to play Symm 100% of the time, but we don't need a Rein, we suck at playing behind one anyway, and makes us very hesitant to engage a lot of the time. Orisa can be mini Rein with way better damage output (usually seems lacking in our comps) and she counters other Rein's decently, I think we could make it work.

Dangerous thoughts right here.
 
Our stacks have been better this season compared to the other ones, I think we are somewhat close to a 40-50%WR by now, last season was probably around 20-30% or even worse.

I climbed soloq for the most part to ~2900 and since then I've only played with gaf stacks being at ~2850 now.

You're forcing me to go to my last resort option: gold symmetra weapon. Your loss comes with a choice of teleporter or shield generator.

Doomed.

lol, i thought bliz only buffed the projectile speed and not dmg.
better than genji m1 now?

Basically the same damage wise, Lucio is 20*4(80) and Genji is 28*3(84).

I think Owzers should main Symmetra and we should drop Rein from our usual team comp.

Batman pls
 
I typically kill it untill you guys all want to play in a six stack.

Because our six stack has the smallest overall hero pool and least adaptive game plan of any six stack out there.

We destroy any other static comps, because we are very good at a few things. We get absolutely bodied by anything that requires thinking outside the box at all.
 
Because our six stack has the smallest overall hero pool and least adaptive game plan of any six stack out there.

We destroy any other static comps, because we are very good at a few things. We get absolutely bodied by anything that requires thinking outside the box at all.

I think I can agree with that. Mostly.
 

exYle

Member
Because our six stack has the smallest overall hero pool and least adaptive game plan of any six stack out there.

We destroy any other static comps, because we are very good at a few things. We get absolutely bodied by anything that requires thinking outside the box at all.

Well, we're not in GM. I can appreciate some creativity in our compositions
 
Because our six stack has the smallest overall hero pool and least adaptive game plan of any six stack out there.

We destroy any other static comps, because we are very good at a few things. We get absolutely bodied by anything that requires thinking outside the box at all.

This is a problem and the reason our 4-stack with cappa and scrub worked so well the last time, since the 4 of us can play all roles and were changing characters a lot depending on the situation.

I get kinda bored when I have to stick with one role every single game, but sometimes it's the best way (like yesterday when I played support for the most part... and Torb one game :DDD). They ended up being very fun games though, so that helped.

It's a good thing that owzers never gets tired of playing rein, and has no ideas of maining other characters.
just tell us when you want to play something else, I want to miss some charges as Rein too

Edit: ^nice avatar
 
Well, we're not in GM. I can appreciate some creativity in our compositions

Our comps are wannabee GM though.

Against anything basic we do just fine.

*1-0 KOTH lead, easy round.*
"Hey their Rein switched to Winston"
Us:
4.gif~c200

f0ba2f2a09aaa6ba9f0a9ba0d21fa211.jpg


*They have a Sombra*
"WHERE IS SOMBRA???"
"SOMBRA BEHIND"
"THIS SOMBRA IS SO GOOD"
"STAY WITH THE SUPPORTS!"
"STAY SPREAD OUT!!"
"MAN THEY REALLY MAKE IT WORK"

*Any Bastion comp*
"BEWARE THE BASTION"
"ARE WE ABLE TO KILL IT??"
"GET IT OUT OF POSITION!!"
"FUCKING BASTION"

"Yo we really need a Pharah, who wants to switch?"
Everyone:
88hNl8F.gif

No one wants to switch because no one has played Pharah in 10 games, because anything other than the usual is a bad pick. And now that Pharah is single handedly responsible for winning or losing the game.

The game is about adapting and reacting, we do neither well. Even if we are pretty good at the game mechanically. We freely admit that we have gotten creamed by some weird comps but we are completely unwilling to make one ourselves.
 
The thing is outside of me there are only three people who are healers and they usually go Lucio.

They would be ND as Lucio. You as Boostio and Pinku as Zen.

If I get off Mercy we have our secondary Mercys in Owzers and ND. For the most part they are good but play her in a mostly stationary role behind tanks.... When we need Mercy out there helping in the battle with DPS. That doesn't mean to be in a bad position with her.

I don't ever feel like the heals are there when I'm off her... And that could.be my fault if I'm out of position but I feel like there was plenty of times I had to go.and get a health pack or died because the coverage just wasn't there.

And no one takes my advice with Mercy because they have her figured out because she is so relaxing to play... Which I don't agree with if you're doing what your supposed to.
 

Cappa

Banned
It seems you guys missed me this weekend and my attack Symmetra
The thing is outside of me there are only three people who are healers and they usually go Lucio.

They would be ND as Lucio. You as Boostio and Pinku as Zen.

If I get off Mercy we have our secondary Mercys in Owzers and ND. For the most part they are good but play her in a mostly stationary role behind tanks.... When we need Mercy out there helping in the battle with DPS. That doesn't mean to be in a bad position with her.

I don't ever feel like the heals are there when I'm off her... And that could.be my fault if I'm out of position but I feel like there was plenty of times I had to go.and get a health pack or died because the coverage just wasn't there.
I like to play healer :( but then I get yelled at to play soldier because our DPS sucks :(
This is a problem and the reason our 4-stack with cappa and scrub worked so well the last time, since the 4 of us can play all roles and were changing characters a lot depending on the situation.

I get kinda bored when I have to stick with one role every single game, but sometimes it's the best way (like yesterday when I played support for the most part... and Torb one game :DDD). They ended up being very fun games though, so that helped.

It's a good thing that owzers never gets tired of playing rein, and has no ideas of maining other characters.
just tell us when you want to play something else, I want to miss some charges as Rein too

Edit: ^nice avatar
And agree with this
 

exYle

Member
Our comps are wannabee GM though.

Against anything basic we do just fine.

*1-0 KOTH lead, easy round.*
"Hey their Rein switched to Winston"
Us:
4.gif~c200

f0ba2f2a09aaa6ba9f0a9ba0d21fa211.jpg


*They have a Sombra*
"WHERE IS SOMBRA???"
"SOMBRA BEHIND"
"THIS SOMBRA IS SO GOOD"
"STAY WITH THE SUPPORTS!"
"STAY SPREAD OUT!!"
"MAN THEY REALLY MAKE IT WORK"

*Any Bastion comp*
"BEWARE THE BASTION"
"ARE WE ABLE TO KILL IT??"
"GET IT OUT OF POSITION!!"
"FUCKING BASTION"

"Yo we really need a Pharah, who wants to switch?"
Everyone:
88hNl8F.gif

I'm fucking dead
 

shintoki

sparkle this bitch
Know the best thing about Pharah. Play her safely and she is golden. Ultimate team harasser since she just can sit back and fire rockets safely, where the only way to get her would be a Widow... but no one is going to switch to Widow! Pop up, fire rocket. Pop up, fire rocket, repeat every 3 seconds.
 
^lol at the rein winston change gifs xD

Lol what? I've only experienced kbm users like a handful of times

Same.

In comp I only saw a couple in season 1/2. It was easier to tell with exponential ramp.

The thing is outside of me there are only three people who are healers and they usually go Lucio.

They would be ND as Lucio. You as Boostio and Pinku as Zen.

If I get off Mercy we have our secondary Mercys in Owzers and ND. For the most part they are good but play her in a mostly stationary role behind tanks.... When we need Mercy out there helping in the battle with DPS. That doesn't mean to be in a bad position with her.

I don't ever feel like the heals are there when I'm off her... And that could.be my fault if I'm out of position but I feel like there was plenty of times I had to go.and get a health pack or died because the coverage just wasn't there.

And no one takes my advice with Mercy because they have her figured out because she is so relaxing to play... Which I don't agree with if you're doing what your supposed to.

Mercy isn't needed on attack for the most part imo, especially if we don't have a pharah.

Lucio and Zen do so much damage now that for me it's kinda of insane to forfeit that sometimes.

I know that you like to play her a lot, but sometimes we need more damage and that discord. If the other team doesn't have good flankers then it's party time for Zen.

Edit: I don't want to be unfair though, I had a couple of great games as Rein on attack thanks to you when you keep me healed when I was just hammering the other team with zero caution.
 
The thing is outside of me there are only three people who are healers and they usually go Lucio.

They would be ND as Lucio. You as Boostio and Pinku as Zen.

If I get off Mercy we have our secondary Mercys in Owzers and ND. For the most part they are good but play her in a mostly stationary role behind tanks.... When we need Mercy out there helping in the battle with DPS. That doesn't mean to be in a bad position with her.

I don't ever feel like the heals are there when I'm off her... And that could.be my fault if I'm out of position but I feel like there was plenty of times I had to go.and get a health pack or died because the coverage just wasn't there.

And no one takes my advice with Mercy because they have her figured out because she is so relaxing to play... Which I don't agree with if you're doing what your supposed to.
This is the biggest problem imo. The best swap for the team is very hard to figure out because it seems that no one ever seems to want to admit that something isn't working. It's so aggravating between rounds when no one speaks up when we ask what didn't work. Like we would be mad at them or something. Even more aggravating when we assume what didn't work (because no one said anything) and the person we are now asking to switch doesn't say 'no, I definitely wasn't the problem.'

I've said Tracer isn't working when I've had three golds, and I've known that it IS working when my medals don't look great. We've all played the game so much that I refuse to believe that people just don't know if something isnt working. We HAVE to talk about that stuff.

If im Tracer and you're Mercy and we need a Pharah the switch is not necessarily me to Pharah just because I'm currently a DPS. It's much more likely that you should go Pharah and I should go Zen, but those dramatic swaps can't happen without communication.
 
^lol at the rein winston change gifs xD



Same.

In comp I only saw a couple in season 1/2. It was easier to tell with exponential ramp.



Mercy isn't needed on attack for the most part imo, especially if we don't have a pharah.

Lucio and Zen do so much damage now that for me it's kinda of insane to forfeit that sometimes.

I know that you like to play her a lot, but sometimes we need more damage and that discord. If the other team doesn't have good flankers then it's party time for Zen.

Edit: I don't want to be unfair though, I had a couple of great games as Rein on attack thanks to you when you keep me healed when I was just hammering the other team with zero caution.


That's the thing tho. We can have Zen with Mercy as I don't think anyone is quite pro Lucio level.in our stack as I am at Mercy level.

But that might be ego talking. Certainly I could go Zen but I am pretty rusty with him.
 

exYle

Member
For real, outside of like Anne and antitrop, our weird little PS4 OW family owns this thread, but our discussion here is often commenting on how our games went. We do very little theory crafting, and I think we could stand to do some more.

Batman has a good point regarding our inability to react, because what usually happens is the team will ask only one person to switch because the comp is 'mostly' working. The issue is that no one knows who should swap, and it's even more confusing and debilitating if multiple swaps have to occur because a crucial tank, DPS, or support has to change. So maybe instead of floundering with singular changes, the moment a comp stops working for us we switch paradigms entirely and choose different roles for everyone. Like, some straight up, tryhard, "TEAM, WOLFSTRIKE FORMATION AROOO" shit.

So for example, we try a typical dive comp, and it's not working. Someone makes the call to go to deathball, and then everyone immediately knows which hero to change to.

What is everyone's hero pool, and who's in our regular groups? We gotta figure that out first. Off the top of my head (correct me if I'm wrong):

- Buttchin: Genji, Zenyatta, Rein, Sombra
- Batman: Tracer, Lucio, Zarya
- ND: Rein, Zen, Torb, Soldier, Genji
- Ultima: Mercy, Pharah
- Lik: Junkrat, D.Va, Soldier, Lucio
- Owzers: Rein, Mercy, Orisa, Winston
- Komaru: ...Hanzo?
- Scrub
- Phazon
- Cappa

(I couldn't remember who some of you guys played, and forgive me if I forgot anyone)
 
That's the thing tho. We can have Zen with Mercy as I don't think anyone is quite pro Lucio level.in our stack as I am at Mercy level.

But that might be ego talking. Certainly I could go Zen but I am pretty rusty with him.
It's not ego, you're by far the best Mercy in the group (gotten way better since I started playing with you too). If you aren't Mercy then no one else should be Mercy. The gap is too large for it to ever be the right move (sorry Owzers). You do everything right as Mercy as far as I can tell, you almost never die first, heals are there when you need them, etc. BUT sometimes Mercy isn't the right support for the team, and it's might be hard to know when, but it's very important. You feel like you're playing well, dying last, doing everything right. But if we are losing the fights then it may just be that we aren't doing enough damage even though you are sustaining as best as humanely possible, or we can't get away from Bastion because we don't have speed, etc. in times like a switch is absolutely needed even if it's not obvious. But when you have to go off Mercy it's so jarring that everyone is confused. Sometimes you should just force yourself to not play Mercy so we don't become so reliant on it and you are more comfortable switching when you have too.
 

LAM09

Member
Have started using Zen much more on payload maps, as the new Lucio is only useful when a team works close together. Pointless pick when people are all over the map.
 

antitrop

Member
Seagull just got a $5000 donation on the first day being a "full-time" streamer o_O
I saw that. He was speechless. The chat blew up and assumed he was crying.

Twitch chat is really a pleasant bunch of well-adjusted people, isn't it?
That guy gave Lassiz $6,000 the other day. He did actually start crying and had to move the webcam off his face.

Bolderno basically just goes around donating thousands of dollars to all the biggest OW streamers. He's hit up DSPStanky, Kephrii, GaleAdelade and more. And he's legit, he doesn't chargeback.
 

exYle

Member
A comp I was thinking of for attack on 2CP was Sombra, Lucio, Reinhardt, and then another tank and two DPS. This one needs Lucio to be the solo healer because it needs to fight around a hacked health pack. And when the team's taking damage, Lucio speeds everyone back to the health pack and Rein protects. If Sombra is effectively the other healer, she will have her ult up within the first 60 seconds. Then there's no hole missing in the DPS cause there's effectively at least 2.5 damage dealers. And this will really hurt any defense centered around a Reinhardt.
 

Owzers

Member
It's not ego, you're by far the best Mercy in the group (gotten way better since I started playing with you too). If you aren't Mercy then no one else should be Mercy. The gap is too large for it to ever be the right move (sorry Owzers). You do everything right as Mercy as far as I can tell, you almost never die first, heals are there when you need them, etc. BUT sometimes Mercy isn't the right support for the team, and it's might be hard to know when, but it's very important. You feel like you're playing well, dying last, doing everything right. But if we are losing the fights then it may just be that we aren't doing enough damage even though you are sustaining as best as humanely possible, or we can't get away from Bastion because we don't have speed, etc. in times like a switch is absolutely needed even if it's not obvious. But when you have to go off Mercy it's so jarring that everyone is confused. Sometimes you should just force yourself to not play Mercy so we don't become so reliant on it and you are more comfortable switching when you have too.
*batman gets healed last tonight*
 

komaruR

Member
For real, outside of like Anne and antitrop, our weird little PS4 OW family owns this thread, but our discussion here is often commenting on how our games went. We do very little theory crafting, and I think we could stand to do some more.

Batman has a good point regarding our inability to react, because what usually happens is the team will ask only one person to switch because the comp is 'mostly' working. The issue is that no one knows who should swap, and it's even more confusing and debilitating if multiple swaps have to occur because a crucial tank, DPS, or support has to change. So maybe instead of floundering with singular changes, the moment a comp stops working for us we switch paradigms entirely and choose different roles for everyone. Like, some straight up, tryhard, "TEAM, WOLFSTRIKE FORMATION AROOO" shit.

So for example, we try a typical dive comp, and it's not working. Someone makes the call to go to deathball, and then everyone immediately knows which hero to change to.

What is everyone's hero pool, and who's in our regular groups? We gotta figure that out first. Off the top of my head (correct me if I'm wrong):

- Buttchin: Genji, Zenyatta, Rein, Sombra
- Batman: Tracer, Lucio, Zarya
- ND: Rein, Zen, Torb, Soldier, Genji
- Ultima: Mercy, Pharah
- Lik: Junkrat, D.Va, Soldier, Lucio
- Owzers: Rein, Mercy, Orisa, Winston
- Komaru: ...Hanzo?
- Scrub
- Phazon
- Cappa

(I couldn't remember who some of you guys played, and forgive me if I forgot anyone)

more consistent with: Pharah, winston, soldier, mccree, hanzo, lucio.
i can play all others avg
then bad at: zarya, ana, sombra, tracer (havent play her for a long time so i suck on ability usage), orisa, genji (can't get a consistent mechanic combo'ing to secure kills), symmetra.
 
For real, outside of like Anne and antitrop, our weird little PS4 OW family owns this thread, but our discussion here is often commenting on how our games went. We do very little theory crafting, and I think we could stand to do some more.

Batman has a good point regarding our inability to react, because what usually happens is the team will ask only one person to switch because the comp is 'mostly' working. The issue is that no one knows who should swap, and it's even more confusing and debilitating if multiple swaps have to occur because a crucial tank, DPS, or support has to change. So maybe instead of floundering with singular changes, the moment a comp stops working for us we switch paradigms entirely and choose different roles for everyone. Like, some straight up, tryhard, "TEAM, WOLFSTRIKE FORMATION AROOO" shit.

So for example, we try a typical dive comp, and it's not working. Someone makes the call to go to deathball, and then everyone immediately knows which hero to change to.

What is everyone's hero pool, and who's in our regular groups? We gotta figure that out first. Off the top of my head (correct me if I'm wrong):

- Buttchin: Genji, Zenyatta, Rein, Sombra
- Batman: Tracer, Lucio, Zarya
- ND: Rein, Zen, Torb, Soldier, Genji
- Ultima: Mercy, Pharah
- Lik: Junkrat, D.Va, Soldier, Lucio
- Owzers: Rein, Mercy, Orisa, Winston
- Komaru: ...Hanzo?
- Scrub
- Phazon
- Cappa

(I couldn't remember who some of you guys played, and forgive me if I forgot anyone)
I'm down for theory talk.

It's why I shill for you guys to join the damn disc order where I have had discussions I've strategy with the PC GAF crew.
 
- Buttchin: Genji, Zenyatta, Rein, Sombra
- Batman: Tracer, Lucio, Zarya
- ND: Rein, Zen, Torb, Soldier, Genji
- Ultima: Mercy, Pharah
- Lik: Junkrat, D.Va, Soldier, Lucio
- Owzers: Rein, Mercy, Orisa, Winston
- Komaru: ...Hanzo?
- Scrub
- Phazon
- Cappa
I agree with your overall point, but my oh my is this our issue in a nutshell. I can only speak for myself but I'm guessing that like me you guys can play more than 3 or 4(!) Out of 23(!!) characters efficiently.

Yea everyone has their best, but if the comp was reliant on it I am comfortable with SO many more than those three.

Zen may very well be my best hero
No one knows I play a mean Dva?
My Winston is passable
My Soldier is very solid
Pharah and Mcree are decent
I'm god Ana just scared to play her since the nerf.
I can play Mei
I can play Symmetra (can't anyone?)
Reaper? Easy
Bastion? Sure
Heck even my Rein isn't that bad.

And yet it's assumed that I play Tracer, Zarya, and occasionally throw with Lucio. Everyone else is probably short changed too. We know the game, we should stretch our damn wings a bit. If their are some growing pains then honestly who cares? No one is setting any career high SR's at this point.
 
I do D.Va and Zen as well but have hardly played them this season. Still think I'm decent as D.Va maybe still rusty with Zen. Certainly not as good as Pinku is with him.
 
Top Bottom