D.Va has better ults in HotS than OW confirmed. Self-destruct is so bad it's just a normal ability here.
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Overwatch |OT9| There is no Cow Hero
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I'll say it again, Overwatch's matchmaking in it's current state is what drives this.
1. Ranked needs Team and Solo
2. It needs better Server browser, specifically servers to just dick around in like TF2. Where it doesn't matter if you have 17 Widows.
What should this hopefully do? Rank will be a bit more balanced then. The people who want to purely just dick around move to custom servers that never end. And Quickplay returns to more people trying to win, rather than dicking around.
Because, right now Quickplay is what people do in those never ending TF2 servers. And rank has become more along the lines of, let me experiment with this character and see if it works.
I would love something like League has where you pick your roles prior to entering the queue. Then you dont have the salty guy who wants to play dps and is forced to support horribly because hes mad he didnt get to pick soldier.
Agree, we need pure Solo Q matchmaking.
Paltheos
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P. dubious plan imo. That increases wait times for the most popular role (DPS) and could discourage players from staying with the game. I mean, as a mostly tank and support player, I'd like it personally, but why would the business do it? Can League do it only because it's so big, or is there some other reason I'm missing here?
zen skin pls blizz
i'll play your stupid moba
Fuck Mercy, if that happens Zen main I shall be.
RecRoulette
Member
I know D.va just got a skin but I hope Goliath pilot D.va makes it in at some point. (It won't)
forget Zenyatta, I need a Roadhog replacement skin for Mercy
oh god she's doing shy shy shy
fucking hell, nice skins
racketpunch
Member
The start of a Season is just as bad. People always want to try the new hero or new balance changes.
This season was just bastion but after it got patch it was good
When orisa came out it wasnt available in comp until a week later too and quickly ppl drop her lol
Wouldn't work in this game, because League locks you into choices at the start. Overwatch doesn't and one of the biggest skills to have is being able to switch mid way.
Other team goes Genji and Tracer? Switch to Winston. To counter Winston, get a Road or Reaper. Etc. Sometimes a support going DPS tilts the game, etc. I've won quite a few games where I start as a healer, but either someone won't switch to a counter. Or they are simply just poor DPS.
Nor would I expect a drastic increase in Queue times. Overwatch is large enough to support it and I feel better balance would improve player retention anyways.
RecRoulette
Member
Finally played some comp this season, finished 3-5-2 in placements but still ended up in the 2400 area.
It seems like this season is a lot more focused on hard counters and switching? At least I don't remember having to switch so much in previous seasons.
It seems like this season is a lot more focused on hard counters and switching? At least I don't remember having to switch so much in previous seasons.
That goddamn Bastion buff at start of season was such a disaster.
Nuno Pinto
Member
I don't really think this would solve anything. People that want to dick around will still be in comp and not anywhere else, because since they're trolls for the most part, they want to be in the most "serious" mode where they know that there's people willing to take the game seriously.
Also my worst games in comp while soloq is when there's a full team of randoms. People that play in groups usually tend to adapt to what the randoms pick, it's the same thing when there's a gaf group, and also the reason why I usually end up playing support.
Yesterday I played one game soloq and instalocked pharah, another random picked reaper and the other D.Va. The 3-man group on the team picked last and went ana, zen and rein... this most likely wouldn't happen with 3 solo randoms.
TWrecks310
Banned
I promise I will fight back there for you and everyone else in Overwatch GAF.
I will be the hero this city deserves (but not the one it needs right now).
UltimaPooh
Member
If you guys are burnt out just take a break and come back for Season 5 or whatever.
I've recently stopped experimenting and have settled down as a support main with Ana and Mercy being the main ones and D.Va being an off tank.
Forcing people to select a role would create more problems than it solves.
For starters, Overwatch is a game designed around switching. What are the restrictions on switching once you've locked into a role? What if the guy locks in DPS because he's a really good Genji but he can't play hitscan for shit? How about a DPS that wants to switch to Zarya?
This hints at a related problem: What are the bounds of the role distinction? If you just go with the current distinctions, there are many obvious problems, such as the frivolity of picking most of the defense heroes in a lot of situations and the notion that Symmetra fills the same role in a team that Lucio does.
Who selects the team composition? 2/2/2 is not the only meta comp and far from the only viable choice, especially in situations where you're trying to force a draw. No matter what distribution you select, though, as long as the list of combinations is more finite than "six heroes" (which it would have to be if this system were to do anything) it will serve to crystallize the meta. If you can only pick 2/2/2, for example, Winston's viability decreases perceptibly.
I don't think treating Overwatch like a MOBA is a solution here.
For starters, Overwatch is a game designed around switching. What are the restrictions on switching once you've locked into a role? What if the guy locks in DPS because he's a really good Genji but he can't play hitscan for shit? How about a DPS that wants to switch to Zarya?
This hints at a related problem: What are the bounds of the role distinction? If you just go with the current distinctions, there are many obvious problems, such as the frivolity of picking most of the defense heroes in a lot of situations and the notion that Symmetra fills the same role in a team that Lucio does.
Who selects the team composition? 2/2/2 is not the only meta comp and far from the only viable choice, especially in situations where you're trying to force a draw. No matter what distribution you select, though, as long as the list of combinations is more finite than "six heroes" (which it would have to be if this system were to do anything) it will serve to crystallize the meta. If you can only pick 2/2/2, for example, Winston's viability decreases perceptibly.
I don't think treating Overwatch like a MOBA is a solution here.
Nuno Pinto
Member
Yeah there's just no way that forcing people into roles is a viable option in this game, it will never happen because it doesn't make any sense.
Vault Dweller 111
Member
Yea. I agree. The issue is not enough switching.
Vital Tundra
Member
When is Overwatch going to get cross-over skins? That Goliath D Va. skin is too perfect. Widowmaker Kerrigan, Rein Marauder. There is a lot of cool stuff they could do.
UltimaPooh
Member
Why do people think Widowmaker should get Kerrigan treatment? Because she has blue skin? Clearly Mercy deserves it as her kit already has wings.
Their MM is so shit that it might make you wait 10 min long.
RecRoulette
Member
Man, HotS did the E.va skin.
FUCK
The ranking system is hard to fix. You can't really carry in OW unless you're seriously out of your skill range and none of the game's visible stats are particularly reliable indicators of skill since, for example, timely kills are several times more valuable than untimely ones.
There are certainly still some things wrong with the current system, however. Shorthanded games still have far too big of an impact on the losers that didn't leave (why am I losing 30 SR for a game that I had no chance of winning) and decay has goofy effects on the rating system given that it sinks your SR faster than actually playing the game ever could.
There's also... whatever the hell is going on with my SR gains. I've complained about it a lot in this thread already but I get literally half the SR for winning as DPS than I do for winning as support despite better DPS performance/win rate. Why? In what world does that make sense? I'm very close to GM and I'm having to make suboptimal picks to make up for the fact that to go up as DPS I need to win well over 50% of the time.
There are certainly still some things wrong with the current system, however. Shorthanded games still have far too big of an impact on the losers that didn't leave (why am I losing 30 SR for a game that I had no chance of winning) and decay has goofy effects on the rating system given that it sinks your SR faster than actually playing the game ever could.
There's also... whatever the hell is going on with my SR gains. I've complained about it a lot in this thread already but I get literally half the SR for winning as DPS than I do for winning as support despite better DPS performance/win rate. Why? In what world does that make sense? I'm very close to GM and I'm having to make suboptimal picks to make up for the fact that to go up as DPS I need to win well over 50% of the time.
Incendiary
Banned
It's been a year and we've only gotten 2 new maps (three if you count the 3v3 map) and one new mode, but that mode isn't even available in regular play. I don't blame people on getting burnt out. Especially when you can't control what maps you play on at all. I can't remember the last time I got to play on Hollywood or Route 66.
And yeah, Blizzard definitely needs to rework SR somehow because smurfing has gotten ridiculous.
I wouldn't be surprised if the one-year anniversary had some crossover skins. I'm expecting a significant update at one year since release but I'm also expecting to be disappointed.
Nuno Pinto
Member
I really wish this was in the game. The idea I have is probably to complicated to implement, but basically the "avoid this player" option would mean that the selected player wouldn't be in your team but could still be in the game. This would guarantee that you only pick bad players/trolls and not use the option to avoid getting placed against great players like it was used before. They would also have to limit the number of players you could put on the "avoid list". But I have no idea how hard it is to do something like this.
We can't report them so they should allow us to avoid them.
RecRoulette
Member
I wouldn't be surprised if they made Goliath D.va the Blizzcon skin this year.
Also, her other default recolor is called Major and gives her purple hair, I see you Blizzard.
Also, her other default recolor is called Major and gives her purple hair, I see you Blizzard.
RecRoulette
Member
Gawd, I would take this over the Officer one!!!!
Vault Dweller 111
Member
I can appreciate the fact that Overwatch has a bunch of issues but a month ago we went like 9-1 in a day as a stack and overall we were having way more success. And since then It's been awful. We are definitely doing something wrong that I'm sure we can fix.
genji has one too
I need a higher res image please. RecRoulette?
RecRoulette
Member
genji has one too
That's awesome.
TurboLibre
Member
What's the blocking feature for if it's not avoiding the player?
Vital Tundra
Member
I mean Ghost Kerrigan. Nova works too but obviously Kerrigan has far better name and image appeal.
Nuno Pinto
Member
Yeah avoid would be a much better option imo, report is harder because for example you can't really report some player just because he played widow during the whole game, technically nothing is wrong with that. But I sure as hell would use the avoid option on him lol
Owzers actually landed some pins that day. It's all decided by that, he's the one that decides our fate when he clicks the charge button.
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