I consider being gamer (tho living in EU). I didnt buy PS3 version of GTAV, but I will definetly buy PS4 version of GTAV. Iam sure there are many others like me, that has / had X360/PS3 but didnt buy GTAV, instead they are buying the remaster version.
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Pachter Predicts: Xbox One outsold PS4 in September (dance, you puppets)
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I can believe that. Though there's nothing indicating it outsold PS4 for that week. But let's say it did....
Now what about the other 28 days in the month?
People were dismissing Pachter's prediction for September due to Destiny and the Sony push but were saying that the Xbox has a high chance of winning November because of MCC. Then others brought up that GTA5 comes to next gen and pc that month as well, and that it will have a higher impact than MCC (to move consoles) and since it is being co marketed by Sony (the association factor just like with Destiny) that Sony might still win November. I have my doubts and think MS has November and probably October
It would completely destroy all future confidence in Sony sales related press releases, put to bed the belief that MS will always preemptively announce major successes before NDP as if they're shouting from the rooftops, and suggest that bundles are shit ideas, all of which appear to be against the trends we've seen since launch.
Thanks for the breakdown. I was so confused how the conversation got there.
GarciaHotspur
Member
Everyone seems to forget the White PS4 + Destiny Bundle. That's funny.
And I hope Pachter is wrong again so I can see even more salt from all the users who wanted to see salt in the first place.
Right? It makes no sense how it would slide like that, especially after the announcement from Sony after the first week. Sales would have to basically go stagnant for the remaining 4 weeks for that to happen.
DataStream
Member
His numbers are a pretty bold prediction given previous months. I wonder what he is seeing.
Anyone have examples of him making a claim this specific before and it being wrong?
Anyone have examples of him making a claim this specific before and it being wrong?
SwiftDeath
Member
No. Just pachter
I think maybe what happened is when Pachter made his calls to random brick and mortar retail store managers and asked for PS4 numbers they just checked the regular one, not knowing that there was a Destiny bundle SKU. Really think that could be why his estimate for PS4 is so low,
DataStream
Member
Thanks!
Yet another reason why you shouldn't listen to stock market analysts about much of anything.
Quadraphonic
Member
Heh. That'd be funny if true.
Scaramanger
Member
I personally hope this is a Pachter practical joke, right or wrong he's definitely stirred something (45 pages!), maybe he's playing you all!
Droopaloop
Banned
I agree. Even if Xbox beats the PS4 out in November, I do think that it will just be a minor blip on the map in the grand scheme of things for Sony in terms of sales. The PlayStation name just holds too much of a stronghold in terms of recognition when it comes to a gaming brand. Plus Microsoft goofed up too much in terms of their initial message, and you can definitely see it in sales.
I'm not sure what number equates it as a system seller. I'm sure that a "winning' November will be enough for some, but Microsoft is at enough of a deficit to begin with that it won't be enough for others. Can't appease the entire crowd. Regardless of sales numbers I know I'll be playing some Halo 2 with some people I haven't talked to on a regular basis for quite a while. So I'm content with that.
Stardust_Comet
Neo Member
This is my personal belief, and I'm enjoying the reaction from it.
Exactly, you're backing up what I said. He either gives predictions that are obvious, or he comes up with crazy statements that make no sense.
I was pretty confident at time of release that there would be a remaster at some point and as there were reports that the frame rate was a tad low I thought I would wait and see.
I did the same thing with GTA:IV. I had a PS3 for blu-ray and media features as well as exclusives but never picked up GTA:IV because I knew it ran poorly on PS3. I did eventually get it when I got a new laptop and picked up the complete GTA collection for £4.99 in a steam sale.
speculawyer
Member
I think everybody overestimates Destiny bundled with a white PS4.
But don't underestimate Destiny bundled with a white PS4!!!
hotnheavyload
Banned
Wondering why so many people are angry about this prediction.
Microsoft have been better on all fronts than Sony in 2014 and deserve to outsell the PS4, even if it's just for one month.
Microsoft have D4, FH2, Halo MCC and Sunset Overdrive launching almost within a month of each other. While the latter haven't been reviewed, it's safe to say MCC will be as well received if not better than D4 and FH2 already have. SO is a bit of a wild card.
Microsoft have showed far, far more support for the Xbox One than Sony have for the PS4. Microsoft have actively been listening to their community and implementing features people want - and very quickly.
They've actually set out to be the console they promised the Xbox One would be; an "all in one" media device with lots of games. The "GAMES GAMES GAMES" mantra Sony was running with in 2013 has seemed to fizzled out. Where are they? DriveClub looks disappointing.
PSN, by all accounts, is pretty bad. I don't own a PS4 so I couldn't tell you first hand - I don't own an Xbox One either, but it doesn't take long to find many an unhappy PSN subscriber on Reddit and other forums.
I think a lot of people really wanted Sony to succeed this generation and the atrocious couple of months following the reveal of the Xbox One just cemented that, but somewhere along the line Sony have started to drop the ball and nobody has really noticed.
Why shouldn't the Xbox One beat the PS4 in sales for September?
Microsoft have been better on all fronts than Sony in 2014 and deserve to outsell the PS4, even if it's just for one month.
Microsoft have D4, FH2, Halo MCC and Sunset Overdrive launching almost within a month of each other. While the latter haven't been reviewed, it's safe to say MCC will be as well received if not better than D4 and FH2 already have. SO is a bit of a wild card.
Microsoft have showed far, far more support for the Xbox One than Sony have for the PS4. Microsoft have actively been listening to their community and implementing features people want - and very quickly.
They've actually set out to be the console they promised the Xbox One would be; an "all in one" media device with lots of games. The "GAMES GAMES GAMES" mantra Sony was running with in 2013 has seemed to fizzled out. Where are they? DriveClub looks disappointing.
PSN, by all accounts, is pretty bad. I don't own a PS4 so I couldn't tell you first hand - I don't own an Xbox One either, but it doesn't take long to find many an unhappy PSN subscriber on Reddit and other forums.
I think a lot of people really wanted Sony to succeed this generation and the atrocious couple of months following the reveal of the Xbox One just cemented that, but somewhere along the line Sony have started to drop the ball and nobody has really noticed.
Why shouldn't the Xbox One beat the PS4 in sales for September?
Aquamarine
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Birgitte2004
Member
The only people I see who are angry are people with the good old Microsoft persecution complex.
If you aren't angry about Microsoft being insulted, there is no reason to even see anger in disbelieving Pachter's prediction (which, effectively, is that the PS4 had flat sales in spite of Destiny while the Xbox One went way up because reasons).
You are playing your hand quite strongly there to even bring up D4 though.
SwiftDeath
Member
Logic and sales trends mostly. Bias is not required for a reasonable person who has followed sales and read retailer impression to deduce that a 250k prediction for PS4 in September seems entirely illogical and highly unlikely.
hotnheavyload
Banned
Oh well yes indeed, but it looks like to me a lot of people get too involved and almost emotional when it comes to things like sales on games forums.
Ignoring trends and, you know, common sense... just seems to me like Microsoft have been serving a better meal than Sony and it should be perfectly fine if NOT make sense that the XO would outsell the PS4 as a result.
hotnheavyload
Banned
I really want to play it, huge Deadly Premonition fan, but I don't have an Xbox One (or PS4).
Nightengale
Member
Ignore the fanboys is fine, but why should we ignore common sense?
hotnheavyload
Banned
Sorry, just for the context of my post - I wasn't addressing sales trends and the inherent common sense that dictates the PS4 would outsell the Xbox regardless.
GTA V will surely be one of the 5 best selling titles of the year, and I'm probably underestimating its sales potential.
MCC will sell more than GTAV? Come on now.
Nightengale
Member
It's my opinion that WiiU should be selling a boatloads better than it should because awesome Nintendo games, but I'm not going to let my opinion detract from the core discussion at hand in which an analyst is making what many believe is a faulty prediction because of many valid reasons like trends, common sense and factoids like Sony confirming their best week in 2014.
You also seem to be involved emotionaly, with that post by saying Ps4 has no games and giving for granted that xone has, downplaying driveclub for example but doing the contrary for ms first party offerings.
Stripper13
Member
That's a rather skewed view. I have zero interest in getting into a PS4 VS XB1 discussion in this thread, but I'll just point out that Sony have had a pretty good 2014. Plenty of quality games, plenty of quality digital titles, some good promotions, a solid psn plus offering every month - and of course, some great Co marketing decisions and multiplat superiority.
No doubt Microsoft have worked hard this year, but after the awful reveal - the fact that it's even a possibility that they'll have a strong holiday is a good turnaround.
hotnheavyload
Banned
Judging by reviews I was correct though, I'm not basing the quality of the game on my own observations. Please don't just dismiss my post as fanboy nonsense, I feel as if I need to reiterate that I don't own either of them.
As for 'no games', the first-party offering from Sony from now until the end of the year is rather light, actually I think DC may have been it? Not sure.
I know Halo MCC and SO are coming out from Microsoft for their console, I don't think there are any others though.
Coulomb_Barrier
Member
'Welcome to the Xbox One All in One Entertainment System' should be your tag, that's a walking advertisement.
It does deserve to get outsold by the PS4 because the Xbone is still too expensive compared to the PS4. It packs a slower GPU and cheap as chips DDR3 memory. It needs at least another $75 slashed off the price if it wants to catch up. Consumers aren't stupid.
hotnheavyload
Banned
Yep, I agree they have had a good 2014 as well, but their competitor can match everything you've listed and more.
Apart from co-marketing and multiplat superiority, obviously! Although imo, Destiny was a bit of a... well, you just don't see Sony raving about it any more.
CrazedProfessional
Member
The Xbox One probably won't win September but given its efforts it deserves to. If you told me about the original Xbone concept and what the Xbone is today I would assume that they're two totally different consoles.
Stripper13
Member
Maybe. I think it's clear that multiplats and some clever deals are more than enough to fight off stuff like D4 and monthly OS updates.
hotnheavyload
Banned
This is a ridiculous post.
We do not have reviews for MCC or Sunset Overdrive, and D4 isn't a system seller, as isn't horizon or driveclub. Plus mcc and s.o. haven't been released yet. Maybe the will boost Christmas and black Friday sales. We will see.
The Order and bloodborne are also coming shortly after Christmas, so that is also something if you are willing to spend 400$ on a system.
Nightengale
Member
There's others, but I'm not going to list them.
Anyway, one can argue convincingly that Sony's fall lineup is weaker, but throughout the year? They're competitive. Their releases are more spread out where they actually have games out in spring and summer as well.
SapientWolf
Trucker Sexologist
The numbers are already available aren't they? Just not to the general public. And even then, I still think he's going to be wrong.
This.
Liabe Brave
Member
This is a false narrative that's arisen, and not factually true. PS4 still has more exclusives than One (especially for download), and thus more games.
You, personally, may not be as interested. But overall sales rely not on any individual preference but on wide appeal. Sony offers quite a larger library to potential buyers. This boon to consumer choice is among the reasons why they're outselling Microsoft.
Aquamarine
Member
Microsoft only brags about figures that paint them in a positive light compared to the PS4.
Xbox One's LTD sell-through is less than stellar, so they won't report it. They'll just talk about how wonderful September sales were.
Now of course, Microsoft will not win September so this shouldn't even be a hypothetical.
SwiftDeath
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Soccer4life
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Pachter couldn't have picked a worst month for this prediction .
a little OT here, but did you guys remember when PS3 used to have monthly updates and everyone hated them?
crazy how times has changed.
a little OT here, but did you guys remember when PS3 used to have monthly updates and everyone hated them?
crazy how times has changed.
Not that an OS update is that important to be honest.
Less than zero.