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Pachter Predicts: Xbox One outsold PS4 in September (dance, you puppets)

Why shouldn't the Xbox One beat the PS4 in sales for September?

Snowball effect. At this point, even is Sony did nothing and released no games for a month, they would still sell most of their monthly production.

Microsoft tried to undo the damage they did to themselves in 2013, but it's to late, and some of their post-180 moves even inflicted fresh damage to their image (like their first wave of exclusives tainted with micro-transactions, or their stance on indies).


When MCC and Halo 5 are released, I expect Microsoft the Xbone to top the PS4 for a month. But that's it.
 

SMOK3Y

Generous Member
im so confused with all this, so MS is doing better than Sony because of UPDATES??? I mean really this is a real reason now? I remember everyone complaining that there was too many updates in PS360 era.... now Sony just does big ones its an issue?
 

goonergaz

Member
I consider being gamer (tho living in EU). I didnt buy PS3 version of GTAV, but I will definetly buy PS4 version of GTAV. Iam sure there are many others like me, that has / had X360/PS3 but didnt buy GTAV, instead they are buying the remaster version.

same here
 

SaucyJack

Member
Wondering why so many people are angry about this prediction.

Are they angry, really? I would have said most people are surprised, amused, maybe incredulous but not angry.

Microsoft have been better on all fronts than Sony in 2014 and deserve to outsell the PS4, even if it's just for one month.

All fronts? Really? Apart from, maybe, you know, games.

Microsoft have D4, FH2, Halo MCC and Sunset Overdrive launching almost within a month of each other. While the latter haven't been reviewed, it's safe to say MCC will be as well received if not better than D4 and FH2 already have. SO is a bit of a wild card.

And? PS4 has games as well if you hadn't noticed. More of them in fact. And they're all going to be outsold by FIFA, GTA, COD, Unity, etc.

Microsoft have showed far, far more support for the Xbox One than Sony have for the PS4. Microsoft have actively been listening to their community and implementing features people want - and very quickly.

Again, really? Regular firmware upgrades are not the be all and end all of "support".

They've actually set out to be the console they promised the Xbox One would be; an "all in one" media device with lots of games. The "GAMES GAMES GAMES" mantra Sony was running with in 2013 has seemed to fizzled out. Where are they? DriveClub looks disappointing.

Confirmation bias?

PSN, by all accounts, is pretty bad. I don't own a PS4 so I couldn't tell you first hand - I don't own an Xbox One either, but it doesn't take long to find many an unhappy PSN subscriber on Reddit and other forums.

PSN is pretty good almost all of the time.

I think a lot of people really wanted Sony to succeed this generation and the atrocious couple of months following the reveal of the Xbox One just cemented that, but somewhere along the line Sony have started to drop the ball and nobody has really noticed.

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Why shouldn't the Xbox One beat the PS4 in sales for September?
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The question is not whether they should or should not it's whether they did or did not. The reaction to the Pachter prediction isn't a value judgement it's that it is such an outlying prediction and makes no sense.
 

mocoworm

Member
im so confused with all this, so MS is doing better than Sony because of UPDATES??? I mean really this is a real reason now? I remember everyone complaining that there was too many updates in PS360 era.... now Sony just does big ones its an issue?


They have consistently added new features, some really big ones every single month.

Their community directors communicate directly with consumers on the Reddit XONE forum and address issues immediately and sometimes include requested features within a month or two of them being requested. I am led to believe that the Reddit was setup by the XBOX team. The sense of 'community' on XONE with the team that run the gaming division and the fans is very real.

I believe that it can make some difference. I am sure that it's not the sole reason as to why they are on the up, but it definitely contributes to the bigger picture.
 

Donos

Member
when is NPD day? how many days/hrs to go?

Tomorrow evening (NA). Europe is late night. But nowadays the good infos/number snippets from people with access to numbers take a bit longer.

And are we really back to "PS4 has no games" and "only exclusives sell consoles"?
 
Microsoft have been better on all fronts than Sony in 2014

There's no doubt that Microsoft has made decisions that allow them to be more competitive with Sony in 2014. But to claim that Microsoft has been better on all fronts than Sony in 2014 - without even owning either console - is certainly interesting. I'm not sure why anyone would make such a bold statement like that without first-hand experience. I certainly wouldn't feel comfortable doing so if I didn't actually have the full picture myself.
 
im so confused with all this, so MS is doing better than Sony because of UPDATES??? I mean really this is a real reason now? I remember everyone complaining that there was too many updates in PS360 era.... now Sony just does big ones its an issue?

You need an advantage somewhere...even if you had to look hard for it.

Personally I have found X1 OS to be clunky and cluttered, takes longer than PS4 to download games, all games have to install from disc (takes up to 25 minutes to start a new game) I think thats a record ! Had to spend 1:20 minutes just to try TR , MGSGR and wolfenstein, it was a nightmare. Also noticed slowdowns with prolonged use. Record videos with acheivements (stupid), cause I had to remove them manually later ( I honestly I don't know how to disable this) , supbar BD player...I just couldn't see whats amazing about it, in the end its just an OS, wouldn't matter much in the gaming experience at least in my opinion.
 

CozMick

Banned
Tomorrow evening (NA). Europe is late night. But nowadays the good infos/number snippets from people with access to numbers take a bit longer.

And are we really back to "PS4 has no games" and "only exclusives sell consoles"?

Nope, those firmware thingies sell consoles too nowadays :/

Although PS4 has had all of 1 "minor" update and sold through 10+ million consoles, go figure,
 
If Microsoft wins September what are the odds of them releasing LTD sold through?

Never.

They have made the jump to only talking about shipped and that will stay the same until they are in 1th again. They will only to sell through on a country by country basis.


It has been a while since they released any number though. Did they ever post anything new after saying they shipped 5 million before e3?
 

MaulerX

Member
What's up with these juniors coming in and bashing the XB1 at all costs? I can see this place will be a bloodbath on Thursday if this prediction comes to fruition.
 

RexNovis

Banned
Oh well yes indeed, but it looks like to me a lot of people get too involved and almost emotional when it comes to things like sales on games forums.


Gasp! Really?! Well I guess you would be an expert on the matter.

Ignoring trends and, you know, common sense... just seems to me like Microsoft have been serving a better meal than Sony and it should be perfectly fine if NOT make sense that the XO would outsell the PS4 as a result.

Wondering why so many people are angry about this prediction.

Microsoft have been better on all fronts than Sony in 2014 and deserve to outsell the PS4, even if it's just for one month.

Microsoft have D4, FH2, Halo MCC and Sunset Overdrive launching almost within a month of each other. While the latter haven't been reviewed, it's safe to say MCC will be as well received if not better than D4 and FH2 already have. SO is a bit of a wild card.

Microsoft have showed far, far more support for the Xbox One than Sony have for the PS4. Microsoft have actively been listening to their community and implementing features people want - and very quickly.

They've actually set out to be the console they promised the Xbox One would be; an "all in one" media device with lots of games. The "GAMES GAMES GAMES" mantra Sony was running with in 2013 has seemed to fizzled out. Where are they? DriveClub looks disappointing.

PSN, by all accounts, is pretty bad. I don't own a PS4 so I couldn't tell you first hand - I don't own an Xbox One either, but it doesn't take long to find many an unhappy PSN subscriber on Reddit and other forums.

I think a lot of people really wanted Sony to succeed this generation and the atrocious couple of months following the reveal of the Xbox One just cemented that, but somewhere along the line Sony have started to drop the ball and nobody has really noticed.

Why shouldn't the Xbox One beat the PS4 in sales for September?

I wonder if you are even aware of how hypocritical your outrage is. Do you realize how much your words read like an advertisement? They're full of assertions based on feeling, opinion (secondhand at that), and baseless assertions. Yet it's the people who object to Pachter's crazy numbers that are emotional about it? Yea ok.
 

cyberheater

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Looking forward to seeing the headline Xbox One beats PS4 in the US. Now on to JPN.
 

SMOK3Y

Generous Member
You need an advantage somewhere...even if you had to look hard for it.

Personally I have found X1 OS to be clunky and cluttered, takes longer than PS4 to download games, all games have to install from disc (takes up to 25 minutes to start a new game) I think thats a record ! Had to spend 1:20 minutes just to try TR , MGSGR and wolfenstein, it was a nightmare. Also noticed slowdowns with prolonged use. Record videos with acheivements (stupid), cause I had to remove them manually later ( I honestly I don't know how to disable this) , supbar BD player...I just couldn't see whats amazing about it, in the end its just an OS, wouldn't matter much in the gaming experience at least in my opinion.

ya ive never used the MS OS but one thing I like about PS4s is its fast & streamlined hopefully it stays that way & its easily more unsocial lol I don't want friends shit taking up ma screen but honestly I have it to play games
 
ya ive never used the MS OS but one thing I like about PS4s is its fast & streamlined hopefully it stays that way & its easily more unsocial lol I don't want friends shit taking up ma screen but honestly I have it to play games

Guess what, PS2 barebone OS didn't stop it from being the greatest console of all time :)

Now .. Lets just stop derailing this thread with OS talk....back to Pachter :/
 

BouncyFrag

Member
You're missing the point. A win is a win god damn it.
Amen to that!

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Wondering why so many people are angry about this prediction.

Microsoft have been better on all fronts than Sony in 2014 and deserve to outsell the PS4, even if it's just for one month.

Microsoft have D4, FH2, Halo MCC and Sunset Overdrive launching almost within a month of each other. While the latter haven't been reviewed, it's safe to say MCC will be as well received if not better than D4 and FH2 already have. SO is a bit of a wild card.

Microsoft have showed far, far more support for the Xbox One than Sony have for the PS4. Microsoft have actively been listening to their community and implementing features people want - and very quickly.

They've actually set out to be the console they promised the Xbox One would be; an "all in one" media device with lots of games. The "GAMES GAMES GAMES" mantra Sony was running with in 2013 has seemed to fizzled out. Where are they? DriveClub looks disappointing.

PSN, by all accounts, is pretty bad. I don't own a PS4 so I couldn't tell you first hand - I don't own an Xbox One either, but it doesn't take long to find many an unhappy PSN subscriber on Reddit and other forums.

I think a lot of people really wanted Sony to succeed this generation and the atrocious couple of months following the reveal of the Xbox One just cemented that, but somewhere along the line Sony have started to drop the ball and nobody has really noticed.

Why shouldn't the Xbox One beat the PS4 in sales for September?

I don't believe the XB1 beat the PS4 in September, but I agree with just about everything else you said. There are a lot of people that decided a while ago the XB1 was unacceptable to them, and they refuse to acknowledge just how much Microsoft has gotten right this year. It's a pretty stunning turnaround in terms of being an owner of the console.

You need an advantage somewhere...even if you had to look hard for it.

Personally I have found X1 OS to be clunky and cluttered, takes longer than PS4 to download games, all games have to install from disc (takes up to 25 minutes to start a new game) I think thats a record ! Had to spend 1:20 minutes just to try TR , MGSGR and wolfenstein, it was a nightmare. Also noticed slowdowns with prolonged use. Record videos with acheivements (stupid), cause I had to remove them manually later ( I honestly I don't know how to disable this) , supbar BD player...I just couldn't see whats amazing about it, in the end its just an OS, wouldn't matter much in the gaming experience at least in my opinion.

This post reads exactly like someone who tried the console briefly earlier this year. The monthly updates have improved so much.
 

AniHawk

Member
Why shouldn't the Xbox One beat the PS4 in sales for September?

general trends for the last several months. september will be an oddball to be sure with more deals going on here than any month since march, but the ps4 has been doing about 50k a week since then and the xbox one has been doing about 30k a week since then. not exactly that, but it's been very consistent. so much so that you could make reasonable predictions from july's numbers and apply them to august and they would have been correct.

september is a 5 week month. pachter believes that with the biggest new ip launch especially this generation and with all the marketing surrounding destiny and the exclusive bundle, that the ps4 actually sold exactly the same on average as it did the last several months. honestly, this would be fairly disastrous, especially for a leading console. but that's why it seems so unlikely too. for the xbox one, the estimate is that sales will double on the back of a free game and a madden bundle that was made available last month. while sales can certainly improve for the xbox one, and by a good amount for average weekly sales month-over-month, the amount being suggested here is pretty high. i think what will happen is that xbox one sales will improve a respectable amount, but the ps4's sales will improve even more from their baseline.
 
What's up with these juniors coming in and bashing the XB1 at all costs? I can see this place will be a bloodbath on Thursday if this prediction comes to fruition.

It's because after a good half generation of the 360 taking the PS3 out to the cleaners, it feels good for newly hatched Sony birds to spread their wings and attempt to fly.
 

Majmun

Member
Is there even a valid argument on why the Xbox One would outsell the Ps4 in september?

I haven't read any so far.
 

iceatcs

Junior Member
Did you even read the thread?
I think you have that backwards.
Yeah it's quite bizarre that people looking wrong or make a big deal from small thing completely.
If they're think so from this thread then I think they will have a hard time on the rest of the generation. Will be very stressful for them.
 
Sure. He's an accomplished Equity Research Analyst who has made an incredible amount of well-reasoned, intelligent predictions for decades.

Does anyone think he would still have a job if he wasn't good at what he actually does?

A good portion of Banksters high up the echelons of power on Wall Street are not only terrible at their jobs but absolutely criminal. Many should be in jail. Yet all of them remain free and employed. As someone who used to work in the investment analyst biz longer than I cared or intended to, let me assure you that you don't have to actually be any good at your job to stay employed. ;)

That said, I think Pachter is an alright guy. He's not the most talented prognosticator I've associated with but he's fairly good at his job and is catching a lot of undue heat in this thread.
 

Sarobi

Banned
Is there even a valid argument on why the Xbox One would outsell the Ps4 in september?

I haven't read any so far.

Summing up everything people have said throughout this thread:

  • Free game with purchase of Xbox One
  • Destiny was also on Xbox One, so it being on PS4 wasn't that big of a deal.
  • Xbox One has the best exclusives and deserves to win a month
  • PS4 has no games
  • Halo
 
I don't believe the XB1 beat the PS4 in September, but I agree with just about everything else you said. There are a lot of people that decided a while ago the XB1 was unacceptable to them, and they refuse to acknowledge just how much Microsoft has gotten right this year. It's a pretty stunning turnaround in terms of being an owner of the console.

This post reads exactly like someone who tried the console briefly earlier this year. The monthly updates have improved so much.
Why should Microsoft be given so much credit for doing what they should have done in the first place? It is like Ford releasing a car with no engine, no wheels, and one seat then sending owners a new part in the mail every month. Eventually they get the whole package, but don't understand why the Toyota owners give them such a hard time. Must be Toyota fanboys or something.
 
I don't believe the XB1 beat the PS4 in September, but I agree with just about everything else you said. There are a lot of people that decided a while ago the XB1 was unacceptable to them, and they refuse to acknowledge just how much Microsoft has gotten right this year. It's a pretty stunning turnaround in terms of being an owner of the console.

If you keep writing it, it will turn into the truth.
 

SgtCobra

Member
Aaand we are back to the OS warz... I'm just going to quote my unimportant opinion about this matter.
Yep, a console OS could have just 3 tabs with one being "game" and the other two being "PSN/XBL" and "settings" and I wouldn't really care.
I guess I'm a simple minded person for not caring about the OS at all, extra stuff is fine and cool but it's not the defining factor for using a console over the other.
 
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