Soccer4life
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MS will never talk numbers.....ever
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Pachter Predicts: Xbox One outsold PS4 in September (dance, you puppets)
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MS will never talk numbers.....ever
Coulomb_Barrier
Member
No it isn't. Your post was ridiculous.
Ayato Kanzaki
Member
Snowball effect. At this point, even is Sony did nothing and released no games for a month, they would still sell most of their monthly production.
Microsoft tried to undo the damage they did to themselves in 2013, but it's to late, and some of their post-180 moves even inflicted fresh damage to their image (like their first wave of exclusives tainted with micro-transactions, or their stance on indies).
When MCC and Halo 5 are released, I expect Microsoft the Xbone to top the PS4 for a month. But that's it.
same here
CadetMahoney
Member
pretty much/
SaucyJack
Member
Are they angry, really? I would have said most people are surprised, amused, maybe incredulous but not angry.
All fronts? Really? Apart from, maybe, you know, games.
And? PS4 has games as well if you hadn't noticed. More of them in fact. And they're all going to be outsold by FIFA, GTA, COD, Unity, etc.
Again, really? Regular firmware upgrades are not the be all and end all of "support".
Confirmation bias?
PSN is pretty good almost all of the time.
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The question is not whether they should or should not it's whether they did or did not. The reaction to the Pachter prediction isn't a value judgement it's that it is such an outlying prediction and makes no sense.
They have consistently added new features, some really big ones every single month.
Their community directors communicate directly with consumers on the Reddit XONE forum and address issues immediately and sometimes include requested features within a month or two of them being requested. I am led to believe that the Reddit was setup by the XBOX team. The sense of 'community' on XONE with the team that run the gaming division and the fans is very real.
I believe that it can make some difference. I am sure that it's not the sole reason as to why they are on the up, but it definitely contributes to the bigger picture.
krimsoncharge
Member
when is NPD day? how many days/hrs to go?
Tomorrow evening (NA). Europe is late night. But nowadays the good infos/number snippets from people with access to numbers take a bit longer.
And are we really back to "PS4 has no games" and "only exclusives sell consoles"?
RyanPierre
Member
There's no doubt that Microsoft has made decisions that allow them to be more competitive with Sony in 2014. But to claim that Microsoft has been better on all fronts than Sony in 2014 - without even owning either console - is certainly interesting. I'm not sure why anyone would make such a bold statement like that without first-hand experience. I certainly wouldn't feel comfortable doing so if I didn't actually have the full picture myself.
Soccer4life
Banned
You need an advantage somewhere...even if you had to look hard for it.
Personally I have found X1 OS to be clunky and cluttered, takes longer than PS4 to download games, all games have to install from disc (takes up to 25 minutes to start a new game) I think thats a record ! Had to spend 1:20 minutes just to try TR , MGSGR and wolfenstein, it was a nightmare. Also noticed slowdowns with prolonged use. Record videos with acheivements (stupid), cause I had to remove them manually later ( I honestly I don't know how to disable this) , supbar BD player...I just couldn't see whats amazing about it, in the end its just an OS, wouldn't matter much in the gaming experience at least in my opinion.
Nope, those firmware thingies sell consoles too nowadays :/
Although PS4 has had all of 1 "minor" update and sold through 10+ million consoles, go figure,
funkystudent
Member
Never.
They have made the jump to only talking about shipped and that will stay the same until they are in 1th again. They will only to sell through on a country by country basis.
It has been a while since they released any number though. Did they ever post anything new after saying they shipped 5 million before e3?
Gasp! Really?! Well I guess you would be an expert on the matter.
I wonder if you are even aware of how hypocritical your outrage is. Do you realize how much your words read like an advertisement? They're full of assertions based on feeling, opinion (secondhand at that), and baseless assertions. Yet it's the people who object to Pachter's crazy numbers that are emotional about it? Yea ok.
cyberheater
PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 Xbone PS4 PS4
Looking forward to seeing the headline Xbox One beats PS4 in the US. Now on to JPN.
SMOK3Y
Generous Member
ya ive never used the MS OS but one thing I like about PS4s is its fast & streamlined hopefully it stays that way & its easily more unsocial lol I don't want friends shit taking up ma screen but honestly I have it to play games
Soccer4life
Banned
Tomorrow won't be a good day for Pachter, Thats for sure :/
cyberheater
PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 Xbone PS4 PS4
Well if you keep making predictions, you're going to be right some of the time...
Soccer4life
Banned
Guess what, PS2 barebone OS didn't stop it from being the greatest console of all time
Now .. Lets just stop derailing this thread with OS talk....back to Pachter :/
dragonfart28
Banned
Either way, the numbers for both consoles are pretty mediocre.
cyberheater
PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 Xbone PS4 PS4
You're missing the point. A win is a win god damn it.
BouncyFrag
Member
Don't know. We would have heard a lot of buzz from Mehdi, Spencer et al if they were really leading this month.
RandyBobandy
Banned
Best I'll say is it's close, but even that's pushing it
dragonfart28
Banned
Unless we're talking about the videogame industry.
BruiserBear
Banned
I don't believe the XB1 beat the PS4 in September, but I agree with just about everything else you said. There are a lot of people that decided a while ago the XB1 was unacceptable to them, and they refuse to acknowledge just how much Microsoft has gotten right this year. It's a pretty stunning turnaround in terms of being an owner of the console.
This post reads exactly like someone who tried the console briefly earlier this year. The monthly updates have improved so much.
iceatcs
Junior Member
Me too, I could see one of them will be over the top, like Xbox One has won this generation.
general trends for the last several months. september will be an oddball to be sure with more deals going on here than any month since march, but the ps4 has been doing about 50k a week since then and the xbox one has been doing about 30k a week since then. not exactly that, but it's been very consistent. so much so that you could make reasonable predictions from july's numbers and apply them to august and they would have been correct.
september is a 5 week month. pachter believes that with the biggest new ip launch especially this generation and with all the marketing surrounding destiny and the exclusive bundle, that the ps4 actually sold exactly the same on average as it did the last several months. honestly, this would be fairly disastrous, especially for a leading console. but that's why it seems so unlikely too. for the xbox one, the estimate is that sales will double on the back of a free game and a madden bundle that was made available last month. while sales can certainly improve for the xbox one, and by a good amount for average weekly sales month-over-month, the amount being suggested here is pretty high. i think what will happen is that xbox one sales will improve a respectable amount, but the ps4's sales will improve even more from their baseline.
It´s an issue because Sony has not done a single worthwile update since launch...
not necessarily
spatenfloot
Member
We never left.
Care to elaborate?
spatenfloot
Member
Did you even read the thread?
I think you have that backwards.
CrazedProfessional
Member
It's because after a good half generation of the 360 taking the PS3 out to the cleaners, it feels good for newly hatched Sony birds to spread their wings and attempt to fly.
iceatcs
Junior Member
Yeah it's quite bizarre that people looking wrong or make a big deal from small thing completely.
If they're think so from this thread then I think they will have a hard time on the rest of the generation. Will be very stressful for them.
Memorabilia
Member
A good portion of Banksters high up the echelons of power on Wall Street are not only terrible at their jobs but absolutely criminal. Many should be in jail. Yet all of them remain free and employed. As someone who used to work in the investment analyst biz longer than I cared or intended to, let me assure you that you don't have to actually be any good at your job to stay employed.
That said, I think Pachter is an alright guy. He's not the most talented prognosticator I've associated with but he's fairly good at his job and is catching a lot of undue heat in this thread.
Summing up everything people have said throughout this thread:
- Free game with purchase of Xbox One
- Destiny was also on Xbox One, so it being on PS4 wasn't that big of a deal.
- Xbox One has the best exclusives and deserves to win a month
- PS4 has no games
- Halo
Firmware updates and PS4 has no games, lol.
spatenfloot
Member
Why should Microsoft be given so much credit for doing what they should have done in the first place? It is like Ford releasing a car with no engine, no wheels, and one seat then sending owners a new part in the mail every month. Eventually they get the whole package, but don't understand why the Toyota owners give them such a hard time. Must be Toyota fanboys or something.
Kazuma Kiryu
Member
If you keep writing it, it will turn into the truth.
Aaand we are back to the OS warz... I'm just going to quote my unimportant opinion about this matter.
I guess I'm a simple minded person for not caring about the OS at all, extra stuff is fine and cool but it's not the defining factor for using a console over the other.