Path of Exile |OT| Loot 3.0
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not a mistake in most cases
people made the decision based on what the rewards were at the time, and they changed the values of the rewards (as well as many other things) since then
Join me Yoshichan
Shining Sunshine
Banned
I probably made like 3-4 characters within each changes. If you're stuck on one character for more than a month that isn't trying for 100, you're doing it wrong.
Let's play PoE together Yoshi!
Yoshichan
And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
Wish I could guys!
But can't because of time restraint
Why too many other things that needs to be done/played before I can start digging into this game again!
But can't because of time restraint
Why too many other things that needs to be done/played before I can start digging into this game again!SneakyStephan
Banned
Thanks for telling people how to play the game and acting like such an authority on it.
OT:
Found an exalted orb, now to find a meaningful way to spend it (might finally be able to buy a 5 link chestpiece)
What kind of uniques would a spectral throw scion (no blood magic) go for at endgame? I'm almost done with act 3 merciless now at lvl 60, will probably grind out a few levels at the docks next so I can use lvl 66 uniques
Been playing this game for the first time the last days. I really like it - way more fun than D3 ever was. Playing in normal the dominion league - just got to the final arc and so far its working out okay with my Shadow Dual Claw character....now i just got to Dominus and....well, he is kinda overpowered. My res are all around 20% though - i guess this is the party where i have to invest in more res boni on gear ?
So far i only played alone aka SP - didnt wanna start in MP without at least having finished one run alone. Is their still a place in the GAF clan/league ? Might be nice playing with some Gaffers from time to time.
So far i only played alone aka SP - didnt wanna start in MP without at least having finished one run alone. Is their still a place in the GAF clan/league ? Might be nice playing with some Gaffers from time to time.
If you're going spectral throw 2h, go on the left hand side, take berserk in too
Left hand lane way keeps you close iron grip and unwavering stance
Either way green or red? I am thinking green (with berserking)
no, red is way way better than green
master of the arena
access to HP nodes
free attack speed
mana regen if you need it
I have access with green to Golems Blood and Diamond Skin. ugh choices!
No, You can get it on higher levels too.
Hunting for uniques on low levels bosses isnt totally bad idea if You have 300%+ rarity and some quantity, but generally i would recommend just farming Your zones.
On low levels You only can get uniques of low levels and maybe some currency, on higher levels You get gems, flasks, rares, higher currency and uniques from all levels.
Its just more cost efficient to farm on Your levels, than just hunt for something.
I have time for 1 character, so that is what I play
I'd do this. Then pick up Berserking, Master of the Arena (through the Armour at the top or damage nodes at the bottom), Acceleration. It puts you near the 6% AllRes and you can reach good damage nodes to the left as well. First two nodes to Cruel Blade are great, Reaver is great too. Then there are the 12% Life nodes near Bloodless and above that is Blood Drinker, too.
Shining Sunshine
Banned
Then you probably play like one hour a week.
Act 3 Cruel with my second character now: an explosive arrow ranger. I do fine except for when I run into those damn EXILES. They are sooo freaking fast I can barely land an arrow on them. I can run just fine (I am fast too) but it's so damn hard to hit them. and boy do they hit hard as well. shiiiit
Lactose_Intolerant
Member
try a ranged attack totem, flame totem with blind/knockback, or a decoy totem. You need something that can do damage or distract them.
PandaPedinte
Member
You need to cap your resists.
Yep. He could double up on Rain of Arrows with a totem with concentrated effect and whatever else is pretty darn strong. Helps in dungeons too..have them do all the work.
Yep pretty lame, they did 1 build of the week and it wasn't even from the community.
I'll try to find a nice setup for that next time - I'll probably loose a bunch of damage and links that way. Hope it'll be enough to get him.
Thanks. I have a pretty strong Decoy Totem but last time I tried it, the damn Exile kept leaping back to me every time I aimed at him. I'll see what other totems I have...
I keep dying and don't know what to do next. RIP lvl 52 Mara. Made 2 Templars in Nemesis but I stopped at level 32-34ish because I don't think they are that good. They are: a basic 1H+Shield that can survive pretty much everything but is kinda boring to play and very one note, and a crit lightning strike 2H staff that I don't know if I'm gonna be able to take further than cruel for what I can see.
Maybe I just need to focus on 1 specific build and try to go as far as I can with it without trying something different every time I die. I guess it's time to join the spectral throw Scion party and see what's up.
Maybe I just need to focus on 1 specific build and try to go as far as I can with it without trying something different every time I die. I guess it's time to join the spectral throw Scion party and see what's up.
here,
for axes cos they are gud.
the build my gf was using before she dsynced and died. rip i will miss her
218% hp (lil low imo)
approx 350% extra damage on axe
going around the circle takes you closer to unwavering stance, lets you get iron grip really early and gives you access to the amazing axe buffs
you dont want that int node anyway, and steel skin is kinda crappy now that i think about it - and the 10% armor ones are even worse. id rather 10 str or something.
Gaming Truth
Member
Umm, I just noticed this. In-game in the Passive tree, there are two nodes that have a green checkmark to the upper-right of the node.:
I'm a Scion. Why are these two checked?
Edit: I found a few more, they're all green nodes. Weird ...
- Agility (+30 Dex) (I took)
- Alacrity (+30 Dex)
I'm a Scion. Why are these two checked?
Edit: I found a few more, they're all green nodes. Weird ...
Shining Sunshine
Banned
Spectral throwing? Those 3 nodes around Executioner are weak. You passed by Wrecking Ball, which is the best two handed node for any spec.
And Steel skin is absolute beast as well as the one armor and life node. Getting Iron Reflexes and passing Steel Skin is a mistake.
the one armor and life node is nice
steel skin is decent but imo not worth the int+str+10%arm investment it takes.
wrecking ball is great i agree - this was a level 70 spec and getting the health on ranger side was more important to us than getting more damage first.
yea, the the points after executioner are weak, but they provide passage into the master of arena line - the alternative is taking int+str to go into steel skin + take a crappy 10% armor node, which is a 3 point cost
I'm reasonably sure that is to do with Challenges/Achievements. Ticks in the corner show which nodes you've previously used on any character but only for major and keystone passives.
Shining Sunshine
Banned
Crappy 10% armor? Do you realize that with the Iron Reflexes and those hybrid evasion rolls, 10% armor double dips after evasion conversion? That 10% becomes 15% node, and that 30% node becomes a 45% node.
You're missing out on 8-10% physical mitigation for crappy Headsman accuracy garbage.
Also, not sure why you would come out of the life node branch for Scion. It's the worst branch for Scion.
im not sure where you're getting that 10%->15% from. Arm/Eva gear is, on average budgeted to 50%armor/50% evasion. so even on a double dip - 10% becomes 10%.
headsman is taken to help avoid taking resolute technique. you can certainly avoid those 3 acc% points+2str and take steelskin with int+str if you want.
i agree that the life regen is pretty bunk, but i also think the 6% damage is pretty bad too. the "6% to all resists" nodes are decently budgeted but are pretty useless early game.
i think your tone is starting to get a little inappropriate. this is a discussion.
Busta SMurk
Member
I've noticed a few of these around the tree as well, and I have no idea. I was curious about that too.
I think I remember someone in global chat mention it has something to do with the challenges...?
No idea.
Shining Sunshine
Banned
With Iron Reflexes, Total Armor = (Armor * (1 + Armor%)) + ((Evasion * (1 + EV%)) * (1 + Armor%))
The converted, total Evasion is further multiplied by the armor passives. Your Evasion passives make Armor passives more effecitve.
And don't care about your ego, so deal with it. 6% damage > 0.4% life regen or start Duelist/Ranger.
well them im sorry but youre just wrong. Now im not sure about everything else you've been saying.
ev% and armor% are additive, and not multiplicative.
total armor = arm*(1+arm%) + eva*(1+eva%+arm%)
you can say 6%dmg>0.4%regen and ill just shrug - I dunno though, Im not an apparent softcore expert. Nevertheless - i was here to show him what he could do after leaving the life circle.
Busta SMurk
Member
I'm reading along with you guys, and I'm confused about Armor/Evasion when it comes to Iron Reflexes.
I just recently picked it up for my melee character, and I'm looking to maximize my potential armour with it.
I checked out the Wiki, and tried to read up on it, but I'm a dumbass and don't get the math. http://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Iron_Reflexes
So, for a hypothetical example, if I could pick up a 10% armor node, a 10% evasion node, or a 10% armour AND evasion node, I would think to go for the combo, as I'd be doubling up on the benefit, right? Then I'd assume the other two nodes are equal, so if an 10% armour node, and a 10% evasion node were side by side, it wouldn't matter which one I picked. Is this assumption correct?
Also, I picked up the "Fell the Weak" axe node, give you 20% Damage with Axes, and 10% to armour. I'm assuming this armour addition is tallied up no different than a regular 10% armour node?
I just recently picked it up for my melee character, and I'm looking to maximize my potential armour with it.
I checked out the Wiki, and tried to read up on it, but I'm a dumbass and don't get the math. http://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Iron_Reflexes
So, for a hypothetical example, if I could pick up a 10% armor node, a 10% evasion node, or a 10% armour AND evasion node, I would think to go for the combo, as I'd be doubling up on the benefit, right? Then I'd assume the other two nodes are equal, so if an 10% armour node, and a 10% evasion node were side by side, it wouldn't matter which one I picked. Is this assumption correct?
Also, I picked up the "Fell the Weak" axe node, give you 20% Damage with Axes, and 10% to armour. I'm assuming this armour addition is tallied up no different than a regular 10% armour node?
http://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Iron_reflexes
Summary
With Iron Reflexes:
% Increased Evasion Rating mods are applied to base Evasion only.
% Increased Armour mods are applied to base Armour and base Evasion.
% Increased Evasion Rating and Armour mods get applied to base Armour and base Evasion.
Therefore, the mods that provide the most significant benefit in conjunction with Iron Reflexes are those that increase Armour or both Evasion Rating and Armour.
Armour nodes do get applied twice.
Evasion only nodes are the worst choice.
Summary
With Iron Reflexes:
% Increased Evasion Rating mods are applied to base Evasion only.
% Increased Armour mods are applied to base Armour and base Evasion.
% Increased Evasion Rating and Armour mods get applied to base Armour and base Evasion.
Therefore, the mods that provide the most significant benefit in conjunction with Iron Reflexes are those that increase Armour or both Evasion Rating and Armour.
Armour nodes do get applied twice.
Evasion only nodes are the worst choice.
Busta SMurk
Member
Ahhhh, so it's tallied up on the base number. Weird how armour gets a double dip like that, I would have never guessed it.
Shining Sunshine
Banned
How do you increase evasion with armor nodes before it is converted into armor? derp
And 6% dmg leeches more life back than 0.4% regen because damage scales higher than life.
You're talking to 90% phys resist capped Spectral Thrower on Nemesis, bro.
What a laugh. Or maybe you should try using Grace sometime so you stop complaining about desync.
i have a feeling you either, suck at math, or have no idea how the game works.
armor% is applied on the evasion number additive. thats it. not your janky eva*(1+eva%) ->converted to armor-> then x(1+arm%)
yea that barely has anything to do with evasion nodes
youre surprisingly clueless for a nemesis player. are you sure you didnt pick domination at the start and never noticed?
Shining Sunshine
Banned
I'm sure your accuracy will help you survive in hardcore.
lol you don't know about grace, get real.
gotta hit stuff to life leech.
damage scales more than life. did you know that?
pretty sure everybody knows about grace
if its that hard to understand what he is saying, let me make it simple for you - eva% only nodes are mathematically inferior compared to arm% or eva/arm% when using iron reflexes because they are only applied on base evasion. he is 100% correct because that is maths.
Lactose_Intolerant
Member
what is this shit
Busta SMurk
Member
nothing much, just the fatal1ty of PoE educating neogaf and we're too bad to understand
Conversion Formulae
The final armour is calculated with the following formula:[1]
Final Armour = Base Evasion * ( 1 + [total all % increases that apply to armour or to evasion] )
+ Base Armour * ( 1 + [total all % increases that apply to armour] )
In other words:[2]
Final Armour = Base Evasion * ( 1 + Armour% + Evasion% + "Armour and Evasion%" )
+ Base Armour * ( 1 + Armour% + "Armour and Evasion%" )
In other words:
Final Armour = Base Evasion * ( 1 + % increased Evasion Rating + % increased Armour + % increased Evasion Rating and Armour )
+ Base Armour * ( 1 + % increased Armour + % increased Evasion Rating and Armour )
Pretty obvious that armour gets applied twice.
Busta just don't choose evasion only nodes. Armour nodes get applied twice. The actual formula shows this.
The final armour is calculated with the following formula:[1]
Final Armour = Base Evasion * ( 1 + [total all % increases that apply to armour or to evasion] )
+ Base Armour * ( 1 + [total all % increases that apply to armour] )
In other words:[2]
Final Armour = Base Evasion * ( 1 + Armour% + Evasion% + "Armour and Evasion%" )
+ Base Armour * ( 1 + Armour% + "Armour and Evasion%" )
In other words:
Final Armour = Base Evasion * ( 1 + % increased Evasion Rating + % increased Armour + % increased Evasion Rating and Armour )
+ Base Armour * ( 1 + % increased Armour + % increased Evasion Rating and Armour )
Pretty obvious that armour gets applied twice.
Busta just don't choose evasion only nodes. Armour nodes get applied twice. The actual formula shows this.
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