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[Shtof]

Console generations typically last 6-7 years.
As they go on, the processing power gap between the PCs and consoles grow larger and larger.
The likelihood of parts of the market jumping from console to PC grows each year as the console grows older.

A console maker can avoid this by creating a premium option.

It is thus clear that the PS5 Pro is not meant as a mass market product.
Rather, it is targeted at a small minority of console gamers that can afford to jump to the high-end PC market.

It is certainly more profitable to sell regular PS5's to everybody else.

 

[sncvsrtoip]

with zen2 cpu and 256 bit memory interface its not

 

[SJRB]

The price of the PS4 Pro was the same as the PS4 base launch price. And it came with a disc drive.

 

[Portugeezer]

It's more worrying for the price of the PS6.

 

[TintoConCasera]

The way I see it, the only thing premium here is the price.

 

[Kadve]

Apple products are "premium" too. Doesn't stop them from being hideously overpriced.

 

[Bojanglez]

Console generations typically last 6-7 years.
As they go on, the processing power gap between the PCs and consoles grow larger and larger.
The likelihood of parts of the market jumping from console to PC grows each year as the console grows older.

A console maker can avoid this by creating a premium option.

It is thus clear that the PS5 Pro is not meant as a mass market product.
Rather, it is targeted at a small minority of console gamers that can afford to jump to the high-end PC market.

It is certainly more profitable to sell regular PS5's to everybody else.

Or people that simply have no interest in PCs for gaming and have sufficient money to just buy the best possible PlayStation on the market at any time.

 

[Loxus]

The price of the PS4 Pro was the same as the PS4 base launch price. And it came with a disc drive.

And it was marketed as a premium product as well.

 

[Hugare]

It's 45% better than the PS5 while being almost 100% more expensive. And lacking the disc drive. Its not "premium" when its lacking features that the base model already has.

Value is subjective, but the value here is just ridiculously low for many.

 

[Mr Reasonable]

It is certainly more profitable to sell regular PS5's to everybody else.

I'm not so sure that's the case. For years we've known that consoles sell the most when the hardware can be cut in price, which normally comes a couple of years into a generation. That neither Xbox nor Playstation have decreased the price of their consoles this generation, instead actually increasing them, should tell you that things have changed, and that the cost of producing hardware has not dropped, which in the past was the key to creating lower costs and increasing profit margins.

 

[envyzeal]

Ok Mr. Totoki

 

[MarV0]

with zen2 cpu and 256 bit memory interface its not

True and unfortunately that has been the reality for some time.

Sub-par hardware getting peddled as premium, Nvidia started that but the likes of AMD quickly followed along.

 

[Robb]

It has less features than the original product at a higher price. Not very premium.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

Sony forgot to show why is a premium product tho.

 

[Bojanglez]

The way I see it, the only thing premium here is the price.

Do you agree that it will be the most premium PlayStation console available? Regardless of price?

 

[RoboFu]

I think the bigger issue is that a pro console wasn't needed this time and PlayStation games are coming out on pc. Pc is the pro console.

 

[GymWolf]

Lol, not with the same cpu and ram it is not.

Premium price, meh upgrade.

 

[Gaiff]

Console generations typically last 6-7 years.
As they go on, the processing power gap between the PCs and consoles grow larger and larger.
The likelihood of parts of the market jumping from console to PC grows each year as the console grows older.

A console maker can avoid this by creating a premium option.

It is thus clear that the PS5 Pro is not meant as a mass market product.
Rather, it is targeted at a small minority of console gamers that can afford to jump to the high-end PC market.

It is certainly more profitable to sell regular PS5's to everybody else.

It's premium, yet doesn't come with a stand or disc drive...these are now premium features that don't come with a premium product.

Makes sense.

 

[TintoConCasera]

Do you agree that it will be the most premium PlayStation console available? Regardless of price?

Well, yeah I guess, it's their best console if we only look at the hardware.

But I also agree that it is way too overpriced based on what they've shown.

 

[winjer]

Console generations typically last 6-7 years.
As they go on, the processing power gap between the PCs and consoles grow larger and larger.
The likelihood of parts of the market jumping from console to PC grows each year as the console grows older.

A console maker can avoid this by creating a premium option.

It is thus clear that the PS5 Pro is not meant as a mass market product.
Rather, it is targeted at a small minority of console gamers that can afford to jump to the high-end PC market.

It is certainly more profitable to sell regular PS5's to everybody else.

Your definition of premium is rather lacking.
Might I remind you that this console is still using the old Zen2 CPU, with cutdown cache and FP unit.
It's using a 256bit bus with no infinity cache. It's memory is only 28% faster than the base console.
It has only 16TFLOPs + VOPD.
Has no disk drive included. And even the stand is sold separately.

 

[Von Hugh]

A premium product that requires you to buy a 120 euro disc drive for it to be considered a viable console?

45 % more power for 60 % more price. That's some premium alright. PS4 Pro was twice as powerful for the same price as the original. Something doesn't add up here.

 

[DenchDeckard]

Console generations typically last 6-7 years.
As they go on, the processing power gap between the PCs and consoles grow larger and larger.
The likelihood of parts of the market jumping from console to PC grows each year as the console grows older.

A console maker can avoid this by creating a premium option.

It is thus clear that the PS5 Pro is not meant as a mass market product.
Rather, it is targeted at a small minority of console gamers that can afford to jump to the high-end PC market.

It is certainly more profitable to sell regular PS5's to everybody else.

It's not a premium product though.

 

[Moridianae]

Morning coffee musing?

I would rather have paid $600-$650 for a stronger base unit and never had a Pro exist for the gen.

 

[AV]

PS4 (2013): €399
PS4 Pro (2016): €399
PS5 Digital (2020):€399
PS5 Pro (2024): €799

Someone help me budget this my family is starving

 

[KXVXII9X]

If it was a premium product, it would come with a disc drive, a stand , and a pro controller with hall effect joysticks.

It isn't just that. Sony has been constantly raising the price on everything. More of this gen for them has been on hardware than software. They were showcasing better Last gen game graphics for their current gen "premium console."

I don't even think this premium console even got a CPU boost.

 

[Astray]

Console generations typically last 6-7 years.
As they go on, the processing power gap between the PCs and consoles grow larger and larger.
The likelihood of parts of the market jumping from console to PC grows each year as the console grows older.

A console maker can avoid this by creating a premium option.

It is thus clear that the PS5 Pro is not meant as a mass market product.
Rather, it is targeted at a small minority of console gamers that can afford to jump to the high-end PC market.

It is certainly more profitable to sell regular PS5's to everybody else.

Fucking this.

People are essentially arguing about the console 4090's existence when a console 4060 exists and is still very playable.

 

[Crispy Gamer]

As a non PC gamer I'm excited to see PSSR 4k @60 on my OLED I can see people who own a PC and PS5 not being excited but this product wasn't meant for every playstation consumer but it does suck for people who actually want it but feel priced out.

 

[FalsettoVibe]

I agree. Plus people forget that you don't have to buy it. PS4 was perfectly fine after PS4 Pro. PS5 will be fine as well.

 

[Bojanglez]

Well, yeah I guess, it's their best console if we only look at the hardware.

But I also agree that it is way too overpriced based on what they've shown.

OK, but the fact is it is a premium product in their ecosystem.

The price is another issue as perception of value is subjective, everyone will have their own opinion on that and will act accordingly.

 

[Skifi28]

It's 45% better than the PS5 while being almost 100% more expensive.

I'm all for complaining it's expensive, but this is disingenuous. There's far more going on than just the 45% GPU increase.

 

[Buggy Loop]

Premium… by removing disc drive and not include a plastic vertical stand?

Does that make sense to you?

 

[Nankatsu]

The price of the PS4 Pro was the same as the PS4 base launch price. And it came with a disc drive.

This. We can discuss that technology evolves and gets more expensive, but Digital OG PS5 was initially sold for 499€, with the disk version being 599€.

Them bumping the Pro version 300€, is just insane.

 

[Zathalus]

The XSX and PS4 Pro were premium consoles as well. They didn’t shit the bed with pricing. Because it’s a console.

 

[Draugoth]

Same excuse Apple buyers and RTX 4090 buyers give. Just because a product is Premium doesnt mean it should be sold at that price tag.

 

[owandeseis]

Do you agree that it will be the most premium PlayStation console available? Regardless of price?

Then the PS6 will be a premium product no matter what

 

[The Cockatrice]

These fucking copium fanboy threads man. Gonna have to start ignoring shit.

 

[MR ARCADE FOREVER]

Trying to justify the unjustifiable

 

[Negotiator101]

 

[Angry_Megalodon]

It's not. The explanation below.

Premium… by removing disc drive and not include a plastic vertical stand?

Does that make sense to you?

PSVR 2 is a premium product. This isn't.

 

[ShakenG]

I remember spending $1000 on an Amp, $2200 on a tv. $1800 on a phone..
But this is what people go crazy on?
Honestly, i dont get it.

I think that video from cerny did a poor job of what this machine will offer. DF were right. Get the feeling some minds will change when we get to see proper comparisons.

 

[Hugare]

I'm all for complaining it's expensive, but this is disingenuous. There's far more going on than just the 45% GPU increase.

Probably.

Cant tell cause Sony did a terrible job in showing what those things are.

Doesnt change the fact its nowhere near a 100% improvement as the price is if you include the disc driver sold separately

 

[finalflame]

Same excuse Apple buyers and RTX 4090 buyers give. Just because a product is Premium doesnt mean it should be sold at that price tag.

It should if people will buy it.

This is really a matter of the haves and the have nots. You know which one you are if you’re complaining about $700.

 

[angelgs90]

Pricey != Premium

 

[ElFenomeno]

Yes , I agree , it's a premium product that will let you play at the highest graphical fidelity these awesome Sony exclusives that are coming up.
So first of all, we have, uh.., Until Dawn Remake this fall, what, you're not excited?
Then next year, actually the year after, ND and SSM should release new games.
Premium experience no doubt about it. Sony is delivering on all fronts.

 

[Hohenheim]

Rather, it is targeted at a small minority of console gamers that can afford to jump to the high-end PC market

It's a huge leap from the ps5 pro to the high-end PC market.
PS5 pro is targeted at people who want 60fps without sacrificing fidelity and resolution too much. I don't think that's a small minority like the high end PC gamers.
In the world of high end PC's there is nothing premium about the PS5 pro.

 

[Astray]

Same excuse Apple buyers and RTX 4090 buyers give. Just because a product is Premium doesnt mean it should be sold at that price tag.

This is what people write in forums.

But we also know that these products sell out as soon as they land on shelves. This is what actually emboldens companies.

 

[TintoConCasera]

OK, but the fact is it is a premium product in their ecosystem.

The price is another issue as perception of value is subjective, everyone will have their own opinion on that and will act accordingly.

I don't think you can separate the product from it's price, but you do you, I don't care.

They are asking 800€ + stand + disc drive and haven't even shown what this thing is capable of outside of a very few exclusive titles that already ran perfectly fine on the base model, instead of showing what players could be interested in which is the games that are already struggling on the base model, like FF XVI, Wukong or Space Marine 2.

PSSR might end up being the best thing ever, who knows, but as of right now this thing to me is an overpriced product.

If you want to label it as "premium", ok go ahead, but imo you are doing that because of the price alone.

 

[clarky]

Nice one i was finding it difficult to find a thread to discuss the Pro

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Sony forgot to show why is a premium product tho.

This is the problem they need to show people what it can really do and not having to sit 12" away from an 80" TV to see those differences.

After talking to some last night that is coming

 

[Bojanglez]

The price of the PS4 Pro was the same as the PS4 base launch price. And it came with a disc drive.

What was the cost of the leading GPUs on the PC market at the time of launch for each of these consoles? I'm pretty sure the whole wider market has shown the same relative increase in costs (I may be wrong) so it may be disingenuous to make this comparison, but I think this mentality may explain some people's dislike of the pricing.