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Pillars of Eternity by Obsidian Entertainment (Kickstarter) [Up: Teaser]
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Eww, I don't like this.
Jibbajabbawockky
Member
I just want to see some more colored art work. The dwarven ranger piece was really nice. These last 2 aren't bad necessarily, but leaving them on the sort of old looking parchment background doesn't do much to help them out either.
I agree with that sentiment. Colored artwork in the same style as the Dwarven Huntress would be great.
Why is it worse that it's a woman? I mean, I get it, DS3's whatshername was terrible, but Obsidian normally does great women packing heat (as in all of Alpha Protocol's cast).Take this gun out of my sight... ;__;
Worst of all, again a woman with a gun, please, please, remember the error in DS3...
That art doesn't do much to boost excitement, they should've grabbed a better one...
I agree with your sentiment, but I do think you've conflated two ideas here. First, some people are bad at video games. That is true. Second, some games are harder than others. That is also true.
But it is perfectly possible to be bad at games and still prefer very hard games regardless. Many people still play Chess even though they stink at it. "Being bad at games" and "liking easy games" are two different things.
Ack, boob armor, but its pretty decent compared to what's out there.
I agree. The Dwarf art is still the most interesting. The other two are dull in comparison.
I agree. The Dwarf art is still the most interesting. The other two are dull in comparison.
Sentenza
Member
Yeah, Justin Sweet. Awesome artist.
There are people on their forum asking loudly to bring him back as a stretch goal.
I agree.
In my case, for instance, I've never been particularly skilled at any game, as far as I can remember, but I still find a good challenge highly entertaining and games with trivial difficulty unbearably boring to play, most of the times.
Then again, there is another issue. People very often mix difficulty with complexity.
Asking for a game to be a bit more complex and deep doesn't necessarily imply willing to play at the hardest difficulty. Just to point an example, in Dragon Age 2 Bioware forced people to play at the hardest setting if they wanted friendly fire on in battle. Which is stupid, because I may like friendly fire for its strategic implications and yet find very boring enemies with doubled HP and damage.
Heh, if only.
What's the problem with guns, exactly? Is it just "waah, waah, I dun want guns in mah fantasy" or something you can actually give a good reason for?Take this gun out of my sight... ;__;
Worst of all, again a woman with a gun, please, please, remember the error in DS3...
But we're not talking about easy games. We're talking about whether a game should make an allowance to better communicate things to a player, or communicate more things to the player, with the knowledge that the people playing it will have a broad range of aptitude for any given challenge.
If you want to use Chess as an example, many Chess software offer a HUGE variety of options to cater to players of varying skill and also players looking for different things out of the software. People who want to learn established strategies can do so by playing simulations of classic matches, or watching replays and guides on how the deeper strategies work. Someone who just wants to play plain Chess can also do so. Some software will show you all valid moves for a given piece when you select it, some require completely manual movement, while rejecting any invalid moves.
The point here is that communicating what is available and giving the player feedback is something which some players want (and some players need), while it is also something which other players feel kills "immersion" in the game, and would rather do without it. It doesn't really make the game easier, it just makes the game more vague, which is a personal preference.
Edit: And to my actual point about shaming other players, it was never about how less capable players always want something easier. It was that how much challenge someone wants out of their hobby is their choice. If someone who is weak at Chess still wants to play with experienced players even if they always lose, if they end up having a good time that's great. But if someone prefers to play more casually and is interested in the mechanics of the game but not on a competitive level, people should not go "LOL N00B l0zER! ROFLMAO MAN UP!" when they express that opinion.
It's kind of sad that Obsidian is playing it safe even though they've got the chance to not play it safe for once. Instead of being dependant on the mercy of the publishers, they make themselves dependant on a nebulous will of the majority ... a will that actually hasn't been really voiced by anyone.
I guess they really, really want to sell a lot of copies of Project Eternity, so that they can be more independant in the future... but I'm not sure if being bland is really the right way to get the most attention.
I guess they really, really want to sell a lot of copies of Project Eternity, so that they can be more independant in the future... but I'm not sure if being bland is really the right way to get the most attention.
He's not an art director for starters.
Maybe this is the game they really want to make? It's a company full of D&D nerds.
I don't see how making it more whimsical or whatever shit some of you want it to be would be better. They seem to be trying to make a believable fantasy world (as believable as fantasy can be) and that's certainly something that, when done well, is much better than your usual OTT fantasy gear that's in no way functional.
Writing, design and aesthetics should be internally consistent. If Sawyer is of the opinion that boob armor is impractical and does not make much sense, and his game design reflects this notion, then the aesthetics should be consistent with the view that it's impractical (or vice versa, depending on who's having the most creative control at Obsidian).
water_wendi
Water is not wet!
For fucking real lol
superdeluxe
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Lol yeah. Who knows they might decide to in the direction of the dwarf ranger
SERIOUS BUSINESS
disappeared
Banned
You can't spell "breast armor" without "pre-order cancelled"
Correction. The concept art of BREAST armor. Very important detail.
EndcatOmega
Unconfirmed Member
Two, really.
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
Hot. Is she into guys like me?
It's only comments in a message board about the concept art we've seen people, jeez.
Suddenly, slight criticism on GAF about the developments of a beloved project that is not even into full production = SERIOUZ BIZNESS! Fo' Real guise!
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FWIW I didn't like the gun, not even the armor (mostly).
Suddenly, slight criticism on GAF about the developments of a beloved project that is not even into full production = SERIOUZ BIZNESS! Fo' Real guise!
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FWIW I didn't like the gun, not even the armor (mostly).
Vulcano's assistant
Banned
Don't know about the armor itself, but I'm loving the chain mail.
Apparently people aren't supposed to opine on it. It's concept art they're releasing for no reason whatsoever.
Femmeworth
Banned
Can the removal of boob armor be a stretch goal?
No boob armor please. Keep it away from this game. And if she's using a gun why is she even wearing heavy armor? Just put her in chain mail or leather armor.
I thinks its funny that when I google knight and then female knight you get two completely different styles of armor.
I thinks its funny that when I google knight and then female knight you get two completely different styles of armor.
Sentenza
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Jibbajabbawockky
Member
The thing is, if they're shooting for Infinity engine style graphics you'll probably not even be able to really tell if she's wearing boob armor or normal armor.
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
It's really sad how many people on the Kickstarter comments think they should have full control over someone else's product. You want to dictate how something is done in the game? Donate the amount required to make an NPC/item/Inn. They give you the opportunity to at least minimally partake in the process through custom design tiers, through their forums, and yet people want more.
I won't even get started on the ones I've seen that have wanted royalties from every copy sold.
Aaaaand done.
P.S. no, that's not my job. It was edited by an user on their forum.
That's Joan D'Arc!
Sentenza
Member
You are preaching to the choir here.
As I already said I'm not very fond of their concept arts and character design so far.
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
The game is clearly going for a pretty fluffy fantasy art style, like many games/stories in the genre.
Time to accept it dudebros.
Time to accept it dudebros.
PumpkinPie
Banned
BRB, filing Paypal claim.
It's kinda weird since the Edair concept art armor was very functional and solid.
When in doubt,
Time to go back to whatever Mass Effect thread you like most, please.
Vulcano's assistant
Banned
WETA is pretty much for today's fantasy games, what Giger was for sci-fi games in the 90's and 80's.
DiscoJer
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New (short) update: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/obsidian/project-eternity/posts/317536?ref=activity
Avellone on characterization. Watch the video!
Avellone on characterization. Watch the video!
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
The use of camera movement in that video was very, very clever.