CrispyBoar
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More than just Alex; but more people have been getting banned over it.
People have to be careful on what they say.
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plane crew almost lets man die because they refuse to believe black woman is a doctor
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More than just Alex; but more people have been getting banned over it.
People have to be careful on what they say.
Snowman Prophet of Doom
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They would. My mother is also a nurse, and had a flight crew stop her from helping a passenger in favor of someone that had their credentials on them. It's a legal liability question. The flight attendant's initial behavior, however, seems inexcusable, as is the purported taking of the white guy's word at face value.
supermarioworldE
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That someone's prejuidices would go so far as to deny another from recieving needed medical attention deserves an automatic firing. Fucking disgusting.
Massive Duck. C.M.
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God DAMN the people writing this off as unbelievable were predictable as fuck
Anyway, hope sister gets her sky miles and good look at avoiding Air Marshal action.
Anyway, hope sister gets her sky miles and good look at avoiding Air Marshal action.
Gordon Shumway
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Ain't it something?
Triggerhappytel
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Yeah, amazing that she didn't just push the dumb bastard out the way, screaming "move out of the way, I'm a doctor you fucking idiot!"
Based on the story, She asked "why were you in detroit?"
How you miss that, and somehow conclude that she was on the up and up isn't really shocking.
Literal blinders.
Captin Quacker
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but to go so far as to claim she made it all up based on no evidence tho
it's fuckin amazing
Rabbi_Vole
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Unrelated, but I wonder what kind of doc the other dude is. I'd like to think he's either a proctologist or has a PHD in little-people studies.
Dreams-Visions
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Snowman Prophet of Doom
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Uh, I said several times in the thread that that, as well as her not even thinking to identify the woman as potentially a doctor and taking the white guy's word at face value (if indeed that is what happened, and the woman didn't just miss another flight attendant verifying that guy), was very likely racism.
My point was to contradict the notion that she "put someone's life at risk by denying them needed medical attention", because by the time the other doc showed up, the flight attendant was going through the usual protocols of verifying credentials, and she prob was gonna be up there in like 10 to 15 seconds.
But don't let that stop you from jamming me into some narrative you have about me, or the situation, or whatever. I'm pretty limber, breh, I can take it.
s_mirage
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Wasn't it Delta Airlines which had a flight attendant who humiliated Mo Farah, seemingly because she didn't believe that a black man could have a business class ticket? Same flight attendant? Unlikely I would have thought, but I wonder if it could be indicative of a wider culture of racism within the company.
Wow I expected to have to wait a bit before someone replied but it's already a graveyard lol.
Protip to people genuinely skeptical about a story like this (which could have turned out to be false possibly I guess): say something like "disgusting "If true"" or whatever instead of immediately calling potential victims liars n stuff. It makes you come off as less of a butthole that way
Protip to people genuinely skeptical about a story like this (which could have turned out to be false possibly I guess): say something like "disgusting "If true"" or whatever instead of immediately calling potential victims liars n stuff. It makes you come off as less of a butthole that way
Licensed holistic health practitioner.
Mammoth Jones
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Pretty sure "helping people" is on the list of things you can't do while Black.
Tried to help an old lady who busted her ass once. She didn't scream from the fall but she sure did when she looked up and saw my ass. I just gave up.
Glad this doctor had the decency and tact to keep it professional during the incident yet still had enough dignity to make sure this airline is held accountable.
Yup. Some motherfuckers downright shocked when they learn what we do. Ain't possible for us to work outside the service industry.
I went to visit my friend and his wife. His wife's parents happened to be there. We chatting. And the wife's dad turns to my wife and asks "Oh, didn't you work at the catering for my daughters wedding?"
Hot shit my wife was pissed. She wanted to say "No, I'm a I work as programmer at the school your son-in-law flunked out of." But she just had to take it in the chin and fake-smile and be humble. Can't be angry in the face of shitty assumptions now, can we?
Tried to help an old lady who busted her ass once. She didn't scream from the fall but she sure did when she looked up and saw my ass. I just gave up.
Glad this doctor had the decency and tact to keep it professional during the incident yet still had enough dignity to make sure this airline is held accountable.
Yup. Some motherfuckers downright shocked when they learn what we do. Ain't possible for us to work outside the service industry.
I went to visit my friend and his wife. His wife's parents happened to be there. We chatting. And the wife's dad turns to my wife and asks "Oh, didn't you work at the catering for my daughters wedding?"
Hot shit my wife was pissed. She wanted to say "No, I'm a I work as programmer at the school your son-in-law flunked out of." But she just had to take it in the chin and fake-smile and be humble. Can't be angry in the face of shitty assumptions now, can we?
We all know racism has limits, like they might call you a nigger but they will still help you move or hold the door open for you.
Spiral Insanity
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Sometimes stuff just needs to be said.. I kind of wish she said that!
Claude Augario
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These heifers right here!
Read it well, GAF. Anyone still wondering why we still have racism - this is an example right here. You can't even talk about your personal experiences without suspicion. You think the story sounds crazy, just imagine how the person that lived through it felt. Racism isn't just the Klan burning crosses on your lawn, it's a form of disruption in your daily life. You don't look for it, it looks for you. Sometimes you need to vent when it happens without getting 21 questions (and without someone criticizing your demeanor or word choice).
nkarafo
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The "sweetie" part is the most infuriating.
Unless, maybe, you look/are too young? Maybe the attendant thought you were too young to be a doctor and that's why she didn't take you seriously?
That's about the only thing i can think of that would make some sense and somewhat restore my faith to humanity.
Edit: Ah, nevermind, i just saw the facebook entry. This doesn't seem to be the case (to me at least).
Unless, maybe, you look/are too young? Maybe the attendant thought you were too young to be a doctor and that's why she didn't take you seriously?
That's about the only thing i can think of that would make some sense and somewhat restore my faith to humanity.
Edit: Ah, nevermind, i just saw the facebook entry. This doesn't seem to be the case (to me at least).
Mammoth Jones
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Problem is people conceptualize racism and bigotry as active acts born of hate and nothing else. You could be a "good" person and still say racist shit due to plain old ignorance and bias. Doesn't make it less racist.
People act like you gotta be wearing sheets and burning a cross to say dumb bigoted and racist shit.
Someone says they a doctor and you don't believe them when a White man walks up you believe him off the bat. Given everything I've seen and experienced in life this story lines up with that.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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Reminder Oprah was once told in Switzerland she couldn't see a purse because she wouldn't be able to afford it: http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/13/showbiz/oprah-winfrey-racism-switzerland/
Why don't people expect black women to be as good as anyone else at anything? Why is there surprise if they're successful?
Why don't people expect black women to be as good as anyone else at anything? Why is there surprise if they're successful?
Neoriceisgood
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I'm European, can somebody explain the Detroid remark to me? Literally the only thing I know about Detroid is based on RoboCop.
Instead of being careful with what they say, they could just work on not being terrible people. Just presenting an option B.
Helensmith
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That's also terrible about Mo Farah and Oprah Winfrey. Why did Oprah apologise in that linked story? They were in the wrong. The store assistant's reason for not showing her the bag sounded like a weak excuse.
As someone whose girlfriend is a doctor and POC, I don't doubt this story for a second and I'm looking sideways at anyone who does.
The days of people looking at a woman doctor and seeing a nurse are far from gone.
As are the days of people making assumptions about POC.
Another girl I knew was a mid-level surgeon, and had the same experience multiple times basically every day. Walk into a room as the most qualified of 3-4 doctors present, begin leading ward round, have patient assume one of the men was in charge.
The days of people looking at a woman doctor and seeing a nurse are far from gone.
As are the days of people making assumptions about POC.
Another girl I knew was a mid-level surgeon, and had the same experience multiple times basically every day. Walk into a room as the most qualified of 3-4 doctors present, begin leading ward round, have patient assume one of the men was in charge.
^ Basically my reaction to this story, maybe swap in 'protesting' for 'having to deal with' or 'hearing about' (this shit).
So infuriating to read, also lmfao at people earlier on calling this story 'fishy'. The story fits right in with how women of color have been treated for, well, centuries. Shameful.
1.21Gigawatts
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I wouldn't even know how to react in situations like these. I would probably just start screaming out of frustration.
Mammoth Jones
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Nope. Then you get tackled and interviewed by homeland security...
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All these years later I still chuckle at what a fucking moron that guy is.
It's probably the one time I've seen it used where I completely support it.
The Last Wizard
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Racists come in every shape and form.
Brown people are still pulled off of planes for saying "god bless" in another language so this is well within possibility.
Dancing Queen
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Detroit is a slum full of negros. (To white people)
Booya_base
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Bloody ell, this sounds ridiculous just to read, it must have been super infuriating to actually be there.
To be fair, the question "why were you in Detroit?" is always a fair one to ask
To be fair, the question "why were you in Detroit?" is always a fair one to ask
Dancing Queen
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I think Americans prefer "Real Housewives".
Valkerionseven
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I fully understand asking for credentials part. My mom is a nurse and my dad works for an airport, so I've heard this type of conversation before.
As for that other shit... what fucking year is this.
As for that other shit... what fucking year is this.
rokkerkory
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This boils my blood wtf man in this day n age
Emperor_Uriel
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"I'm sorry sweetie, you're much too black to save this man's life." Pure insanity.
She didn't even have the wit to ask "Why the hell would anyone have a wedding in Detroit?"
She didn't even have the wit to ask "Why the hell would anyone have a wedding in Detroit?"
parrotbeak
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I can't really understand how in 2016 people are still surprised or doubt that there's still racism.
Coreda
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While there's some obvious racial prejudice here there are similar stories of flight attendants–of yup, Delta–not cooperating with physicians during in-flight emergencies. There was an article posted not long ago about one such incident that was met with a ridiculous amount of resistance from the attendant. White female doctor btw.
During the flight a man's face was bleeding, he was spilling bloody feces onto the floor and in the aisle yet the attendant refused to allow any of the four (4!) physicians on board the emergency kit until they showed their licenses (something the airline later stated wasn't protocol and unnecessary if the person seems reasonably competent). Only the author had a license on her since she was on her way to a conference. The attendant in charge told the rest they'd need to return to their seats but the author was insistent one stay to help.
She then describes how while talking to the pilot, who had come to inquire about the situation, the attendant took back the emergency kit to the end of the plane and they had to retrieve it again.
A mess.
During the flight a man's face was bleeding, he was spilling bloody feces onto the floor and in the aisle yet the attendant refused to allow any of the four (4!) physicians on board the emergency kit until they showed their licenses (something the airline later stated wasn't protocol and unnecessary if the person seems reasonably competent). Only the author had a license on her since she was on her way to a conference. The attendant in charge told the rest they'd need to return to their seats but the author was insistent one stay to help.
She then describes how while talking to the pilot, who had come to inquire about the situation, the attendant took back the emergency kit to the end of the plane and they had to retrieve it again.
A mess.
https://youtu.be/ltnffJhh1qE
I know you're banned now(which is quite amusing) but I never actually addressed the ridiculous part of this post in my response.
I didn't write anything about it being a "news story" but ignoring that, why does something need be reported by a news site to be worthy of discussion to you?
I have plenty of stories of the racism I've experienced. Are they less worthy of discussion because some news outlet didn't report on them. So black people need validation from news sites before are experiences are believed?
UPDATE on this story-
http://www.11alive.com/news/nation-...r-accuses-company-of-discrimination/336120466
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There you go. While the attendant's questions to the doctor sounded stupid, I guess she did it because of the policy. So it definitely about having credentials on you.
http://www.11alive.com/news/nation-...r-accuses-company-of-discrimination/336120466
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There you go. While the attendant's questions to the doctor sounded stupid, I guess she did it because of the policy. So it definitely about having credentials on you.
Wuthering_Heights
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Hmm, that makes sense.
So, in reading Coreda's post, their policy changed?
And no - this attendant made some stupid assumptions - so it's not just about definitely about having credentials on you.
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