The E6 has better input lag at mid 30's milliseconds and the B6 in the 50's. You shouldn't overly notice unless you're use to really low input lag.
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The E6 has better input lag at mid 30's milliseconds and the B6 in the 50's. You shouldn't overly notice unless you're use to really low input lag.
Neither has good HDR input lag sadly but the B6 has lower lag than the E6 in that respect.
Whether or not they can reduce the HDR input lag in the E/C models is unknown atm. They did say that HDR Game mode wouldn't be possible in the 2016 models though, so if you want that then you'd have to wait for the 2017 line of OLEDs.
Death Metalist
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I've played on plasmas all my life so I'm not the one to talk to when it comes to input lag haha. I think I'm just going to get one soon, just have to make a decision in store between the B6 and the E6. Thanks guys.
E6 is the one you'd get if you need 3D and the built-in soundbar, otherwise you'd go for the cheaper B6.
Forget dead pixels, it's banding/vignetting that you should worry about.
My screen doesn't have those issues but it is a panel lottery. Hope for the best.
interfreak
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The E6 has much worse input lag in HDR compared to the B6 (67.5ms vs 38.2ms) which is important to note for those getting the PS4 Pro or XB1S. B6 is mostly in the 40's (not the 50's) in the modes that most users would use (1080p, 4K, 4K with HDR).
B6:
1080p @ 60Hz: 44.4 ms
1080p With Interpolation: 62.6 ms
1080p @ 60Hz Outside Game Mode: 62.8 ms
1080p @ 60Hz @ 4:4:4: 59.8 ms
4k @ 60Hz: 43.2 ms
4k @ 60Hz @ 4:4:4: 59.8 ms
4k @ 60Hz + HDR : 38.2 ms
4k @ 60Hz @ 4:4:4 + HDR: 38.2 ms
E6:
1080p @ 60Hz: 34.2 ms
1080p With Interpolation: 127 ms
1080p @ 60Hz Outside Game Mode: 50.7 ms
1080p @ 60Hz @ 4:4:4: 34.2 ms
4k @ 60Hz: 34.4 ms
4k @ 60Hz @ 4:4:4: 34.1 ms
4k @ 60Hz + HDR: 67.5 ms
4k @ 60Hz @ 4:4:4 + HDR : 67.5 ms
What do these look like, so I can keep an eye out? And if they dont show up immediately, I won't have to worry about them appearing over time?
Vertical lines that are visible in content or during grayscale tests and/or dark patches on edges of the screen.They're unlikely to appear if not there in the first place.
I highly recommend just using the TV as you would normally. Don't go looking for issues and don't stress yourself out over something you may not even notice. I'm sure your panel will be fine. OLED's screen uniformity has improved a lot since last year.
Thanks, good to know. I always get super paranoid during the first week when I get a new TV: I'd like to educate myself on possible issues so I can do a quick exchange if needed. In this case it's going to be more concerning since it's through an online retailer (that seems to NOT accept returns in the event I just plain don't like the TV).
The constant witch hunts about input lag also leave me a little concerned, but just to make absolutely sure, this is my current TV: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00BCGRLUI/?tag=neogaf0e-20
I don't play it in game mode. I use the Dynamic preset for games and movies. Google turns up the following: https://www.cnet.com/forums/discussions/samsung-unxxf8000-game-mode-input-lag-awareness-598215/
So if that's accurate, I've been playing at 100ms. Which means even at the highest, the E6 would still be lower input lag than what I've been used to, right?
And even if the lag ended up unbearable, it's only when enabling HDR, so I would just need to disable that. Is it even confirmed that every PS4 Pro game will use HDR?
I've had the B6 for two weeks now and while I absolutely love it the one thing that I'd like to see if I can improve is the near black performance. I read that you can improve it by changing the 5 IRE setting but the explanations were too technical for me. Im wondering if anyone here has worked on getting better near black performance and if so how did it work out for you? even if it was done via calibration, I'd still like to hear about it. I'm coming off an ST60 Panny which is probably the only reason I even notice it since my friends can't tell at all and think im crazy. Those TVs were as good as it came in this department.
Signed. I don't plan to go OLED until Scorpio releases but it would be nice if all the bugs are worked out before then.
farmerboy
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Sound advice. Why would anyone bother looking for irregularities in anything outside normal content. I've never sat down with popcorn to watch 2 hrs of grey scales.
If you think you notice something then use those tools to see how big the potential problem is. But I'd never go looking for them.
Yappadappadu
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You don't really have to look for anything by using test slides, though it's a good idea to check some bright one's in case your TV has any tints.
One of the best tests for this year's LG OLEDs is to watch some soccer/football and if there's nothing that bothers you while the camera horizontally pans over the field (vertical banding/DSE), then you should be fine. My first 65E6 had DSE.
It's mainly the 65" that are affected though.
One of the best tests for this year's LG OLEDs is to watch some soccer/football and if there's nothing that bothers you while the camera horizontally pans over the field (vertical banding/DSE), then you should be fine. My first 65E6 had DSE.
It's mainly the 65" that are affected though.
guitarguy316
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Rtings updated the B6 since it's deceiving. it actually cycles between 38 to 55ms on HDR, so it's inconsistent.
but everyone sign on petition to get it improved upon...
https://www.change.org/p/lg-electro...utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=copylink
Dr. Zoidberg
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How else will you know exactly where to look for the irregularity in normal content if you don't identify it first using the slides? If you locate it first using test content, you can then scrutinize that section of the screen while watching all other content. Next comes the sinking feeling in your stomach when you realize that the irregularity is indeed visible when viewing certain normal content. You'll then stare at that section of the screen for the next few days as you debate yourself endlessly over returning the set vs living with it, and the possibility of a worse replacement. You'll tell yourself "No set is perfect" over and over again like a mantra but the truth is you're not happy. Hell, maybe you should just save your money because surely they'll have this shit figured out on next year's models.
On second thought, you're right. it's best to not look for problems.
SliChillax
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There are no 1080p hdr tv's, right?
finalflame
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Correct, there are not, and most likely will never be. There is no use back-porting new tech like HDR to old tech like 1080p.
SliChillax
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I agree but I thought I'd just ask anyway since I'm on a tight budget at the moment and don't feel like buying a new TV if it doesn't have proper hdr. I feel like asking what's the cheapest 4K hdr set is a stupid question since they're all expensive.
finalflame
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You should look into the Sony XD83s -- they can be had for pretty cheaply and provide a pretty good HDR experience; there's even a thread on it somewhere in Gaming. If you're in the U.S., it's likely Black Friday will bring sales for it, too. You might have to do some research, but I hear the Chinese manufacturers like Hisense are also making pretty decent HDR/4K sets for those on a budget, and those are even more likely to be discounted for BF.
Just at this point, even if you're on a budget, there is no use going 1080p as it's quickly becoming overshadowed by 4K. If you can't afford it right this second, I'd say save up and wait for next year's budget/mid-range models, which will probably include much better HDR implementations as the bar is set higher for the mid-top/top-end sets.
SliChillax
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I'm in Italy so I'll have a look around but waiting seems like a better idea. HDR will probably be more supported by then on PC and maybe I'll find a nice discount on a PS4 Pro.
SliChillax
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So I've decided to buy a 1080p tv for the meantime. Waiting for 10bit HDR 4k sets to have reasonable prices will take a long time so I won't stay without a TV for one year or two. I also read that current 4K 10bit HDR tv's don't support 4:4:4 chroma at 4k 60hz so not interested atm. Any good recommendations for 1080p tv's on Amazon.it? Between 40-49 inches since I don't have the space and not more than 500 euros if possible. Don't care about 3d btw. It will be used for the PS4 Pro and movies only.
mitchman
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They support 4:4:4 at 4k@60Hz but not with HDR enabled, you need 4:2:0 for that. That's fine.
SliChillax
Member
Looks like Sony just updated quite a few '15/'16 models for Gaming in HDR.
http://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1478601062
Rasmus Larsen (Founder & EIC) from flatpanelshd.com contacted LG for an official response on their Game Mode/HDR stance. Hopefully he can get something concrete out of them. It's in comments at the bottom of the article.
http://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1478601062
Rasmus Larsen (Founder & EIC) from flatpanelshd.com contacted LG for an official response on their Game Mode/HDR stance. Hopefully he can get something concrete out of them. It's in comments at the bottom of the article.
Goose_Se7en
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This is awesome. Hopefully rtings and AV Forums retest some of these tvs. I'd like to see what the input lag would be on the X850D.
just saw this sweet news:
http://www.theverge.com/2016/11/7/13547710/google-youtube-hdr-video-support
youtube now supports HDR.
http://www.theverge.com/2016/11/7/13547710/google-youtube-hdr-video-support
youtube now supports HDR.
diddykong13
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I recently bought the LG UH850v (55 inch) and love it! But I've come across an issue and I'm wondering if anyone else has had this too.
My surround sound system is connected to the TV via ARC, and my Xbox One S is connected to the TV via another HDMI connection. The sound passes through fine, but only in Stereo when I'm in 4k mode.
The Xbox won't let me select the 5.1 option because the TV's EDID tells it that it only has stereo speakers (which it does). The TV fails to pass through the information that I have a 5.1 system attached, so the Xbox won't let me use it.
Does anyone know how to get around this or how to configure the TV to do it?
It's frustrating because If I switch the Xbox to manual video input (HDMI) then the option for 5.1 becomes available (apparently it ignores the TV's EDID information) which is perfect. Except I can only output 1080p now which defeats the whole point of my upgrade...
My surround sound system is connected to the TV via ARC, and my Xbox One S is connected to the TV via another HDMI connection. The sound passes through fine, but only in Stereo when I'm in 4k mode.
The Xbox won't let me select the 5.1 option because the TV's EDID tells it that it only has stereo speakers (which it does). The TV fails to pass through the information that I have a 5.1 system attached, so the Xbox won't let me use it.
Does anyone know how to get around this or how to configure the TV to do it?
It's frustrating because If I switch the Xbox to manual video input (HDMI) then the option for 5.1 becomes available (apparently it ignores the TV's EDID information) which is perfect. Except I can only output 1080p now which defeats the whole point of my upgrade...
Milly Osworth
Member
Should you always enable game mode while gaming?
I have a Samsung UE40ES6530.
I have a Samsung UE40ES6530.
Game mode reduces processing of the image, reducing input lag. You have to weigh how it looks vs how it feels. Generally, the answer is yes.
Dr. Zoidberg
Member
I'm not sure what your surround system entails. Is it a receiver and speakers or some kind of soundbar?
If your surround system is capable, you should run the Xbox into it first, then go from the receiver to the TV. If your receiver is old, it may not support 4K pass-through so you can't do that and are probably stuck with stereo. A lot of people run into this problem but unfortunately the only real solution is to upgrade your receiver. Most TVs have very limited options for sound passthrough.
Great news! The Z9D already had that built in, but awesome for anyone else with a Sony TV from the past 2 years.
I'm moving in on the 3/4th of December, so should have some more impressions of the Z9D that weekend in terms of PS4 Pro, XB1 S, HDR games, and 4K Blu Rays
Hey guys so I might be able to get a Sony XBR75X940D for only $2500. That's the 75'' version with full-array backlighting. Its a good deal, but was just wondering if anyone knows how the 940d specifically does for gaming. What's the input lag? And has Sony updated it at all?
Have had the Vizio p50-c1 for just over a week now. Absolutely love the black levels. Already demolishes my old 1080p set even at 1080p SDR content (while having to show an image that's 18 inches bigger).
I was deciding between this, a ks8000 and lg b6 (ks800 is at least $500 more expensive over here and the lg on a really good sale was $800 more expensive).
Honestly feels like a good decision so far. Black levels/performance better than ks8000. Full screen brightness better than LG b6. The real test will be on Thursday though once I get my pro and I can finally try out HDR properly.
I was deciding between this, a ks8000 and lg b6 (ks800 is at least $500 more expensive over here and the lg on a really good sale was $800 more expensive).
Honestly feels like a good decision so far. Black levels/performance better than ks8000. Full screen brightness better than LG b6. The real test will be on Thursday though once I get my pro and I can finally try out HDR properly.
Be wary it's not a scam at that price, if it's legit though, holy hell! What a bargain! By all accounts it's an excellent TV! That TV was very high up on my list!!
As for input lag, it's rated at 35ms in Game Mode (according to hdtvtest http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/kd75xd9405-201606164301.htm) and it is included in the update mentioned above which will let you use HDR during game mode.
Good luck!!
DJ Lushious
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The P-Series is so impressive. It blows my mind whenever I see the "V" greet me when I fire up my P65.
As for HDR, where the P-Series has a lower NITS, like you've said, the black levels are outstanding. Even with the lower NITS Deus Ex's Breach mode had me legit squinting. However, the black levels absolutely get you covered on the other end of the HDR scale. Some times I have to pause a UHD Blu movie just to marvel over the shadow detail!
Rbk_3
Member
How is your grey uniformity? Mine was a disaster on the 2 units I had.
I had my heart set on the P Series but am much much happier with my 55KS8000 than I was with my P65s or the 2 M65s I had.
Kaneda Shotaro
Member
Is there a big difference between the Sony XBR55X850D and the Sony XBR49X800D besides the size? I heard the "dim lighting" or something is something the 55 has but the 49 inch one doesn't? I want to get one or the other but want to know if the extra $200 is worth it if there's better quality with the 55 (not just size difference). I want to order it tonight.
Wow... I'd take a picture but my phone is absolute crap at it. But looking at your pic, and the rtings pic as well, looks like I lucked out and got a good one.How is your grey uniformity? Mine was a disaster on the 2 units I had.
I had my heart set on the P Series but am much much happier with my 55KS8000 than I was with my P65s or the 2 M65s I had.
Rbk_3
Member
That's good. It was a very good TV besides this, but I couldn't find a good one.
That is the built in 10% test pattern BTW. You can find it in the tablet under calibration. Anything over 50% white looked fine.
Didn't know about that. I had initially just grabbed the test pattern off rtings and put that up, but checking them all now, screen seems to be doing good in all the built in tests thankfully.
mmazurkiewicz
Member
My E6 just shipped from the Adorama deal. Two weeks sooner than expected.
Thanks! Yeah it's through my best friend who works at a certain electronics retailer, so I know it's not a scam lol. And 35ms is pretty good. Also great to hear about that HDR gaming update. I've currently still got my 52" 1080p tv, so 75" 4K HDR is gonna be amazing! Can't wait for Scorpio...
Mine too, well the label printed anyways.. Hoping it really goes out today. 52 pounds seems so light for a 55" display.
Wow.
The 55" VT60 plasma is like 104 lbs. (with stand)
My 65" is apparently 136 lbs.
Yeah I have a Pioneer 5010 that is about that weight too. I remember the dude that delivered it helped me take it out of the box, and he carried it up a flight of stairs just by facing the glass toward himself and grabbing the left/right edges. He was a beast of a dude.
DJ Lushious
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Panel lottery is panel lottery. Having said that, though, the P-Series seems to have more instances of this issue.
How did you end up offloading your P-Series? Were you in the return window?
You won the panel lottery! Thumbs up!
