I just bought a 3d tv myself, although the 3d feature was just a bonus for me, I was really after the PQ of the LED tv that I bought. I was pleasantly surprised at how much I enjoyed 3d after dismissing it as just a gimmick. Granted, I have not tried it with a game yet, but yeah, I see your point. I guess it's just something that varies from person to person.
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I just bought a 3d tv myself, although the 3d feature was just a bonus for me, I was really after the PQ of the LED tv that I bought. I was pleasantly surprised at how much I enjoyed 3d after dismissing it as just a gimmick. Granted, I have not tried it with a game yet, but yeah, I see your point. I guess it's just something that varies from person to person.
I was all for getting a VT60 but after thinking about it more and how I and the roommate watch television, a higher quality LCD is the better choice, even if I'm sacrificing some PQ.
I nearly bought the W900 but see the W850 is coming out in a couple of weeks which is 65" and per AVS, essentially the same PQ wise as the W900.
Going to wait and see how that model fares.
iamaustrian
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I bough a cheap (I paid 160 at the local supermarket) 22" Toshiba LED TV 2 weeks ago for my bedroom.
I use it for normal TV-watching, gaming(Wii, WiiU, SNES and PS3) and DVD/BD.
It's 1080p too. The only real downside I've encountered so far is that there's only one HDMI port.
I use a cheap hdmi switch.
The picture quality is really good and I haven't experienced any noteable lag.
the good:
Full HD
picture quality
Sound is awesome for such a small TV
2(!) USB ports (I have 2 32GB sticks full with movies plugged in)
CI+ interface
YUV and Scart (perfect for older consoles)
Built in DVB-T and -C reciever
the bad:
only 1 HDMI port (use switch)
the stand sucks somehow. it's a bit "flimsy" and not really adjustable
Viewing angle not the best
http://www.amazon.de/Toshiba-22L1334G-LED-Backlight-Fernseher-100Hz-DVB-T/dp/B00BD3KXZU/ref=pd_sim_sbs_ht_6 (it's not a backlight LED like stated on amazon but edge-light)
I can post pics of it running SNES and co if you want me to.
I kind of agree. I don't think I want to watch TV in 3D and movies it depends on the content (sci-fi/fantasy is really the only 3D im interested in)... but games can be amazing. I run a Nvidia 3D vision setup and when the game works in 3D at 60fps its something magical.
I don't know if its only the PC version that has 3D but try Trine 2...
apieceofstrange
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Well after 2 weeks of using my new 47" w802a, I think I'm regrettably going to have to return the set. I really like the features of this tv, picture quality is solid enough and the input lag is fantastic in game mode; however, I recently noticed an odd issue with the backlighting. It seems to have vertical strips of varying brightness across the set. Some research suggests that this is a somewhat common issue with larger sets using LED technology (ie. poor backlight uniformity, vertical banding), though the severity varies from set to set. Of course now that I've noticed it, I can't unsee it and its really soured me on the purchase.
I did a good amount of research before deciding on this set, so I'm not sure what to do now. Test my luck with another w802a? Try a different brand/model LED? Go with plasma? Go back to my old 720P set?
Ugh, it's so frustrating that every reasonably priced TV out there seems to have a downside that you're forced to settle with. Yea, 1st world problems and all, but I didn't expect that buying a decent TV in 2013 would be such a headache...
I did a good amount of research before deciding on this set, so I'm not sure what to do now. Test my luck with another w802a? Try a different brand/model LED? Go with plasma? Go back to my old 720P set?
Ugh, it's so frustrating that every reasonably priced TV out there seems to have a downside that you're forced to settle with. Yea, 1st world problems and all, but I didn't expect that buying a decent TV in 2013 would be such a headache...
Guys just wanna say, bought a HDMI to vga adapter (built in converter) for my tv and the difference is unbelievable! !! No lag whatso ever... ans I thought there was none before, LG47 7600/760T ... previously had the normal pc mode on the hdmi pc port, all uneccisary settings disabled, also have the colour, contrast, brightness etc calibrated.. pure bliss..imo like a pc monitor now or as closs as.
Highly recomended!!
Highly recomended!!
I want to pull the trigger on that very badly myself but I have worries about white levels, brightness, screen glare and image retention. Hard to get past the negative things I hear about any tv in this price range.
just try again, its not like banding isnt an issue with other brands
I've had my S64 (basically the S60 with an added reflection filter) for a couple weeks now and am pretty happy. The picture quality is great, minus some gradient banding on things like the Xbox dashboard background, but in regular viewing it hasn't been a problem.
White levels and brightness have been just fine using settings from the AVS forums. My set is in a controlled-lighting room and has the added reflection filter, so no real issues there.
I will say I have noticed some image retention, specifically after watching a movie in letterbox and after my kids played a game for a couple hours with the HUD on screen the whole time. I was initially freaked out a bit both times, but after watching other regular content on screen, the image retention went away. So hopefully that will continue to be temporary and not permanent.
Otherwise, I really recommend the TV.
Sounds good to me, except the only 1 HDMI port. Would like to have Component and Composite, too.
Thanks for the recommendation.
BRUTALBOWN
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You may just be unlucky, I've got the 55" and it's not a problem at all.
I had not heard about the W85 until I just Google'd it. Might have to look into this a bit more myself, but I doubt this one's entering the Nordic market as soon as October - if at all. I really wouldn't mind that extra 10 inches from my seating distance in the living room.
I do wonder if the size affects the screen uniformity in the case of an edge-lit LED TV.
EDIT: Found a press release saying it'll be here in October as well at 3650€. I'm not so sure I'd want to spend that much in it. If it were Full-array with local dimming, that'd make more sense.
Also the press release seems quite heavy on the audio. I kind of wish all manufacturers would sell some sort of stripped down versions of these higher end models without the speakers at a lower price point and then just have them sold as an option.
Ascended Saiyan
Banned
OLED
It's down to 5,000 now
It's down to 5,000 now
Woah look
55" LED 240hz Samsung
$628
In stores only
http://www.walmart.com/ip/Samsung-55-Class-LED-1080p-120Hz-HDTV-3.7-ultra-slim-UN55EH6000/20554028
55" LED 240hz Samsung
$628
In stores only
http://www.walmart.com/ip/Samsung-55-Class-LED-1080p-120Hz-HDTV-3.7-ultra-slim-UN55EH6000/20554028
ThisWreckage
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ak2o-OtrboU&hd=1
Does anyone know what television they're playing Killzone on? Looks incredible.
Does anyone know what television they're playing Killzone on? Looks incredible.
Its a novelty act, glassLess 3D TVs are the true vision of the future
Looks like http://www.sony.ee/product/tv-107-42-lcd/kdl-42w650a
The model name was above the TV in the video.
The TV isnt making the game look incredible, thats all PS4...
You can play that on a $400 tv and it will look the same...
TVs dont add extra Polygons/lighting/HD textures to games
1. The TV itself can look incredible.
2. The IQ could be great.
3. The TV was actively billed as having low response time, something you want in a TV to play games on.
4. I'm reasonably sure no one expected the TV to be magic.
all my buddies ask me what TV to buy and my response is if you are serious into gaming get a monitor instead because of the input delay and response time. I have yet to truly find myself a TV that I feel comfortable competitively gaming on.
I got into an argument with someone about response time and he kept telling me there are tons of TV's with low response time for gaming. My response every time is that the response time of a TV is not a calculation of the input delay.
There are only 5 proven TV's over the 32inch size that are great for gaming, there are plenty of "good" gaming TV's but not many great and they are definitely not on the cheap side.
Thanks to new devices though we can test the overall lag input from controller tap to TV actual response now in mere minutes when it used to take hours of actual testing.
http://www.displaylag.com/display-database/
this is what I used to buy my Asus monitor and it was spot on.
All 5TV's btw with great ratings are ALL capable of 3D so its great to see companies starting to take gamers seriously
EDIT: didnt see the link in OP.....here it is again anyways XD
I got into an argument with someone about response time and he kept telling me there are tons of TV's with low response time for gaming. My response every time is that the response time of a TV is not a calculation of the input delay.
There are only 5 proven TV's over the 32inch size that are great for gaming, there are plenty of "good" gaming TV's but not many great and they are definitely not on the cheap side.
Thanks to new devices though we can test the overall lag input from controller tap to TV actual response now in mere minutes when it used to take hours of actual testing.
http://www.displaylag.com/display-database/
this is what I used to buy my Asus monitor and it was spot on.
All 5TV's btw with great ratings are ALL capable of 3D so its great to see companies starting to take gamers seriously
EDIT: didnt see the link in OP.....here it is again anyways XD
For whatever it's worth the TV in question IS Sony, whose models had the least input lag according to that site (this specific line isn't there) and was shown just barely beating out the Vita in outputting Knack, which could be VERY interesting for when people try to test this on other TVs. Will it be the same result? Or will that TV be the only display that isn't a monitor beating out the Vita's stream?
By the way it only looks like the 32-inch model is in the US - the KDL-32W650A.
By the way it only looks like the 32-inch model is in the US - the KDL-32W650A.
Hey TV GAF, I'm looking for a fairly small TV for my college dorm that also has a QAM tuner and will be next gen ready, essentially.
This 22" Samsung 1080p 60Hz is the best option I've found at a great price. Any other suggestions? This is around the size I'm looking at, and I think I definitely want 1080p going into next gen. Don't really know how big of a deal input lag is but this one is 29ms which is listed as "Great" in the Display Lag input database.
Any thoughts? I think this is looking like a good option with a great price.
This 22" Samsung 1080p 60Hz is the best option I've found at a great price. Any other suggestions? This is around the size I'm looking at, and I think I definitely want 1080p going into next gen. Don't really know how big of a deal input lag is but this one is 29ms which is listed as "Great" in the Display Lag input database.
Any thoughts? I think this is looking like a good option with a great price.
BMX Bandit
Member
Are there any Tvs on the horizon to keep an eye on/releasing soonish? That panasonic s60 price is super tempting but reading sounds like image retention is still an issue if you game on plasmas :/ having HUD elements still on the screen if I decide to watch a blu ray wouldn't be very awesome.
Nearby store had LED TV sales action and my mom still had some coupons for 50 €, so I went there and bought Samsung UE32F5000. Incredible stuff for 245 € (Price lowered from 375 to 295 and -50 in coupons), tweaked the picture settings and i am very satisfied so far.
Vire
Member
This looks nice for the price, but 60 hhz refresh rate is not ideal. What's your budget?
Stoffinator
Member
Hey guys.
I was hoping one of you guys could help me. I am looking for a new tv for next gen. I am hoping to buy in mid November. My budget is pretty small ($700) and have been looking at some tv but not sure which is the best to get in that price range.
I am hoping to get a Plasma, but would not complain if LCD is a better model to get in that price range. Any suggestions would be helpful. Thanks.
I was hoping one of you guys could help me. I am looking for a new tv for next gen. I am hoping to buy in mid November. My budget is pretty small ($700) and have been looking at some tv but not sure which is the best to get in that price range.
I am hoping to get a Plasma, but would not complain if LCD is a better model to get in that price range. Any suggestions would be helpful. Thanks.
Panasonic S60
You'll find a lot of recommendations for this set within this thread (including mine).
RedAssedApe
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You usually don't hear about new TVs until CES. I don't think they ever really release any new sets during the holidays?
That's right. Announce at CES and typically release spring to early summer. Unless it's a projector, in which case new models are usually announced at CEDIA which is next week.
About to go HAM
Neo Member
This ^
I was looking at TVs for my apartment and was down right angry at the current state of TVs from a few years ago up to now. Its depressing.
Ended up buying a monitor based on reviews from research and a deciding review from displaylag.com
BMX Bandit
Member
Looking around on avsforums it seems people still get pretty bad image retention / how has your experience been with huds and such? Just curious to hear more feedback.
Ahh ok. Thanks for the info.
thekonamicode
Member
I'll dip my toe in this thread. Bottom line, what is the best tv I can buy today for less than $1500. My living room has little to no sunlight most of the day and I sit about 10 feet away from my current set.
Ol No Bones
Banned
Obviously CRT is the way to go.
Obviously no one knows but I'm planning to buy a TV in October - my current 50" DLP has started to smear yellow with blue halos. It's getting exponentially worse as the days go on lol.
My only hesitation is the potential holiday sales. I wonder how much they might reduce the 60" in the 1000-1500 range.
My only hesitation is the potential holiday sales. I wonder how much they might reduce the 60" in the 1000-1500 range.
DoomGyver
Member
I'm looking at monitors for a ps4 and future pc. I know I want a 27" 3D capable monitor. The two I'm looking at is the Asus vg278he and the BenQ XL2720T
Or maybe a 2560x1440 monitor, but I'm not sure how well 1080p content would look on it. 1080p will be the most used resolution so it would be wise to stick with that, right?
I'm leaning towards the Asus, but the BenQ is cheaper. Any other options sub $500?
Or maybe a 2560x1440 monitor, but I'm not sure how well 1080p content would look on it. 1080p will be the most used resolution so it would be wise to stick with that, right?
I'm leaning towards the Asus, but the BenQ is cheaper. Any other options sub $500?
Neuromancer
Member
Can anyone with a Panasonic TC-P65VT60 or similar tell me if I can control the audio volume being output to a receiver using the volume buttons on the TV remote, and if so, how?
My audio receiver is 15 years old if you can believe such a thing and the volume buttons have all but given out, I have to push unhealthily hard to change the volume. =(
My audio receiver is 15 years old if you can believe such a thing and the volume buttons have all but given out, I have to push unhealthily hard to change the volume. =(
Icomp
Member
I believe this is achieved by ARC, audio return channel, unfortunately a 15 year old reciever doesn't support that since it's an hdmi feature. (please correct me if I'm wrong)
ConteZero76
Member
I'm going for a KDL-55W905.
4K is meaningless (for this generation at least) and triluminos superior black does make a difference.
4K is meaningless (for this generation at least) and triluminos superior black does make a difference.
Nocturno999
Member
I bought an S64 last week in Costco (which is basically the S60 with better anti-glare and at 600); and it does retain huds after a short session of Diablo 3. They fade away after a few minutes but is still kind of worrisome. Still haven't heard of burn in incidents but the TV was recently released if I'm correct.
People recommend to play the first 200 hours with low contrast and brightness, no vivid picture. Use the screen wipe feature for a few minutes after a long session of gaming.
The TV makes a snapping sound in the back occasionally but Panasonic says is normal due to drastic temperature changes because plastic contracts since Plasmas get hot. To be fair my AC is in front of my TV.
It's an excellent TV for gaming, it reduces the ugly jaggy effect in a lot in games like GTA and has great refresh rate, but I'm not sure if I would recommend it for houses with bright rooms, kids or people that leave the TV on for hours with still images. In some ways it's like PC gaming, is the best option but not for everyone.
Edit: UPDATE My TV just got burn in at the top of the screen. I noticed 2 bars while watching a B&W movie and after inspecting closer I noticed it was my browser's address bar. It only took a few minutes for that to happen.
I'm going to return it.
Update 2 After 24 hours the address bar is fading to almost nothing but still exists. Hopefully it wont be permanent.
BMX Bandit
Member
Thanks for the feedback. Image retention / burn in is my biggest concern. I see some posts around saying it's hardly an issue while other people claim they've got permanent burn in from too much battlefield/cod. How long did you play diablo 3 when the image retention showed up?
Nocturno999
Member
I'm not very sure TBH. It was definitely less than 2 hours. The small HP sphere was visible for a very short time which most people claim is normal and shouldn't worry about. Lowered contrast to the 50s and played again a few hours without anything noticeable. Also played last night a few hours of GTA and didn't have a problem with it.
I also fell asleep and left the TV on all night with the Windows login screen and turn it off and the IR disappeared in a few seconds. Now I set the TV to auto turn off after 4 hours.
BMX Bandit
Member
See that doesn't sound bad at all/as long as the retention disappears within a little while I think I'd be fine with it. Thanks for the replies I think I'm gonna check the S60 and some other displays out today and try and decide on one.
Nocturno999
Member
NP, get the S64 at Costco, is basically the S60 with better anti-glare and $50 less.
Neuromancer
Member
But the only audio out on my TV is optical so how could that be?
GTA's HUD is a non issue for burn-in. Don't let that fool you. They made it just right for a plasma because it is slightly translucent.
I've played over 90 hours of GTA 5 this past week with no other content on my VT60 and there is not a single sign of the minimap while other HUD's leave visible IR that goes away after minutes/hours.
I've played over 90 hours of GTA 5 this past week with no other content on my VT60 and there is not a single sign of the minimap while other HUD's leave visible IR that goes away after minutes/hours.