Not trying to tilt you either way mind you, but there really is no TV in the market like this, the best thing you buy won't even come close.
And yet, that's exactly what it feels to me.

Still ... it's all so frustrating.
Not trying to tilt you either way mind you, but there really is no TV in the market like this, the best thing you buy won't even come close.
The 51" version of that set doesn't use Pentile.After looking up what pentile displays were (thanks for pointing it out) I will definitely be avoiding the Samsung. I was wondering why certain 1080p TVs looked so grainy/pixelated when I was wandering around Best Buy and that apparently is the exact reason.
Is there any image retentation with your LG? I've heard that LG is fairly notorious for it and that was one of the most annoying things with the Samsung I've been using.
Yeah, I know the feeling, and it's always hard earned money.And yet, that's exactly what it feels to me.To be perfectly honest it has really come down to the VT(W)60 being 1600€ vs. the W828 being 1120€ (plus the chance to win a PS4 if I buy it in sometime next week). I could live with higher power consumption, heat and even some IR (unless my panel were to have a severe case of it, which I've seen reported quite often). I'd be watching the 55" from about 2 meters away, so dithering shouldn't be a problem (?). The buzzing ... yeah, that could drive me insane, if it was really bad. Especially at night, when I'd have to keep the volume at reasonable levels. I absolute love the design of VT60, but if I add everything up ... yeah.
So frustrating.
Please stop talking about the VT60. I've barely managed to convince myself it's not the right TV for me ... Don't tempt me.![]()
Yeah, I know the feeling, and it's always hard earned money.
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The W828B is not a bad TV, but don't look at either W900A or plasmas then, it's as simple as that. One can be happy just knowing you paid less, which is actually the case, so it's a decision like any other.
Having a VT60 is literally like having an orgasm every time you turn it on. Literally.
Having a VT60 is literally like having an orgasm every time you turn it on. Literally.
Having a VT60 is literally like having an orgasm every time you turn it on. Literally.
Having a VT60 is literally like having an orgasm every time you turn it on. Literally.
Hi guys can anybody tell me which of these two tv's is better for gaming?
http://www.very.co.uk/sony-w8-50-inch-smart-passive-3d-full-hd-led-tv-with-soundbar-offer-black/1395979129.prd?
_requestid=519273
http://www.very.co.uk/sony-kdl50w656asu-50-inch-full-hd-freeview-hd-led-smart-tv/1268338533.prd
I heard the 50W656 have very low input lag but I can't find anything on the other one, and as you can see that one currently comes with a soundbar which is nice. I've been looking for a few weeks mainly at the w656 but this other one has just caught my eye. My main concern is the input lag for the second one but so far can't find any numbers.
Thanks.
Hi guys can anybody tell me which of these two tv's is better for gaming?
http://www.very.co.uk/sony-w8-50-inch-smart-passive-3d-full-hd-led-tv-with-soundbar-offer-black/1395979129.prd?
_requestid=519273
http://www.very.co.uk/sony-kdl50w656asu-50-inch-full-hd-freeview-hd-led-smart-tv/1268338533.prd
I heard the 50W656 have very low input lag but I can't find anything on the other one, and as you can see that one currently comes with a soundbar which is nice. I've been looking for a few weeks mainly at the w656 but this other one has just caught my eye. My main concern is the input lag for the second one but so far can't find any numbers.
Thanks.
Instead, on your remote press the big HOME button .. then at the top right of your screen go to :
SETTINGS>PREFERENCES>ECO>LIGHT SENSOR: OFF
The 51" version of that set doesn't use Pentile.
Success!!! The TV now looks exceptional! Thank you so much for the heads up! Sony's multi-menu system is pretty obnoxious... It's pretty bad that you have to go through two different settings menus to get everything set properly.
holy cow big 1080p sets really coming down in price
60" samsung led 240hz set for less than $1800
http://www.costco.com/Samsung-60"-C...DTV-Bundle-UN60H7100AF.product.100111722.html
mannnnnnnnnnnnnnn i want to upgrade sooooo bad
So trying to decide between 4k and non for my next tv. my current choices are either last years:
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/sony-65-class-64-1-2-diag--led-4k-ultra-hd-tv-2160p-120hz-smart-3d-hdtv/1912267.p?id=1219066831831&skuId=1912267
or this years:
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/sony-65-class-64-1-2-diag--led-1080p-120hz-smart-3d-hdtv/5009363.p?id=1219106280447&skuId=5009363&st=sony%2065w950b&cp=1&lp=1
the obvious reasoning of "4k is higher so should be better" rings true, but I'm wondering if it would make a huge difference given like 90% of the things I would be able to watch isn't 4k but would be up scaled. then you also have a "last years tech vs this years tech" question like the difference in panels.
any opinions would be welcomed! I game 40% of the time and watch blurays / netflix 60% of the time.
I'm debating between those 2 sets as well. Actually I have the KDL-W850B in there also, but I have a question. The W950B has better Picture Quality over the W850b right?
Also input lag just released saying the W950B also has better input lag. At 17ms.
http://www.displaylag.com/oled-4k-2014-input-lag-results/
I hate shopping for TV's.
Ok, well i've narrowed it down to the Sony W600B or Samsung H6350. Any opinions on this matter? GAFpls.
is there a reason you have narrowed it down to just these 2 tv's? is it price?
Yes, BB has the H6350 for 799$ and the W600 for 650$.
The main thing right now is motion blur, I heard the H6350 based on the RTINGS review has less motion blur.
I'm debating between those 2 sets as well. Actually I have the KDL-W850B in there also, but I have a question. The W950B has better Picture Quality over the W850b right?
Also input lag just released saying the W950B also has better input lag. At 17ms.
http://www.displaylag.com/oled-4k-2014-input-lag-results/
from what I've read around sony only put the truliminous (sp?) in the 950b for their 2014 models. so in terms of PQ it's the better or the two.
While it's true that the flagship W950 has a Triluminos display and might have slightly better color reproduction because of it, it's actually this year's Sony's W8 series (which the W850 model is a part of) that has an overall better panel / PQ. W8's black levels are much better, for example. For some reason Sony went with an IPS panel for the W9 series and it didn't pay of. Pretty much every review I've read confirms it.
While it's true that the flagship W950 has a Triluminos display and might have slightly better color reproduction because of it, it's actually this year's Sony's W8 series (which the W850 model is a part of) that has an overall better panel / PQ. W8's black levels are much better, for example. For some reason Sony went with an IPS panel for the W9 series and it didn't pay of. Pretty much every review I've read confirms it.
Would getting a 720p 32'' TV be a bad idea with next-gen (current) consoles? The one I am looking to get is $299, but a 'cheap' 1080p one is around $499.
http://store.sony.ca/32-r420b-series-led-hdtv-zid31-KDL32R420B/cat-31-catid-All-Sony-HD-TVs
There are decent 1080p TVs for 300 bucks. You just have to do a bit of hunting.
4K TVs vs OLED TV vs Plasma Shootout
http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/result-201406013793.htm
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Vincent measured input lags on some TVs in front of us. Sony has the best input lag amongst LEDs (around 30-35ms in game mode), followed by the Panasonic 4K and then the Samsung. LG was average. Panasonic plasma, on paper showed an input lag of 44.5ms but that was because of impulse processing, and the device is designed to read from sample and hold processing. Vincent thinks the real input lag is likely to be closer to 20-24ms. Also, there’s no dedicated game mode on Panasonic, so you can fiddle with other processing to get far better pictures than the LEDs.
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So are you saying its better off getting the W850b and not the W950b.
The W850b does come in a 70 inch. That would be great for me. Since the 950b only comes up to 65.
oh that's too bad and a bad decision by sony. would you happen to have any insight on the 2013 sony 4k's? (specifically the 65x850a) .. I assume that has the better panels and besides it being 4k has the better power behind it? (I.E. motion flow 960 vs 480)
Hm, I thought you guys were talking about the W855 model, which is a full HD TV, not 4K. I don't know if the same logic (W8 > W9) applies here and what panels are used in Sony's 4K sets. You best check / ask the folks over at AVForum.
None of those sets is great for gaming, Input lag is important for all fast paced games - COD / fighting games / Ninja Gaiden etc etc
The Panasonic is good, and probably best set for TV, but for gaming its just average to good.
Input lag (high-speed camera) 23ms compared to lag-free CRT
Leo Bodnar lag tester 41.5 ms
Good sony sets have 6-8 ms lag to CRT, gaming monitors 2 ms
Film buff = get a plasma, gaming TV = sony..
Personally I think the importance of input lag is grossly overvalued here. I have a 60" Panasonic ST60, which is rated at like 75 ms on the bodnar test and 45 camera. There's also reason to believe that the bodnar test isn't accurate on it (and hdtv.uk believes that it doesn't work right on Panasonic Plasmas) and the camera rating is probably closer.
Either way I personally cannot tell that there's any at all no matter what type of game I play. Killzone, Watch Dogs, Assassin's Creed, Transistor, Wolfenstein, Knack, Wind Waker, Mario Kart 8, Child of Light, Fez, Resogun, and everything else I own plays perfectly fine on it. None of my friends that I've had over to see the TV can tell the difference either.
I don't have any audio sync issues with it either and if it really was that high it'd be noticeable.
If you're crazy into fighting games and pro enough that frame counting matters, yeah, you want totally lag free stuff, but from Kart Racing to Action Games to Shooters I just haven't had a single problem or noticed any lag in doing anything at all.
I also have a relatively low input lag NEC 20WMGX2 and it doesn't feel any different from the ST60 at all. And if you're spending enough to get the VT, which is tested at much lower than the ST, then I bet you really won't ever notice anything on it.
So yeah, personal opinion and experience from owning a supposedly "bad for gaming" TV for 14 months with 7,879 hours on it and a crapload of gaming - input lag rating, grossly overvalued unless you're an actual pro tournament gamer type person.
You can definitely play any game on a TV with a 45-75ms input lag. The thing is you don't know exactly how that game is supposed to feel in your hands on a zero lag TV. We're talking about the link between you and the game. The importance of that cannot be understated. The responsiveness of any video game has a huge impact on how good the controls feel, and how well it plays.
So in other words, if your only experience with the game is on that 75ms tv, you're not gonna know how it's really supposed to feel. Unless the input lag is horrible, ie (100ms) or more, it's not gonna smack you over the head. But without you even knowing it, there are likely parts of certain games where you don't realize the TV is making it harder on you, and that part that was so hard to clear in that one game wouldn't have actually been as hard to complete on a TV with 20ms of input lag.
Also, it takes very serious input lag to noticeably throw off the audio sync. We're talking like 150ms or more.
I think interactivity and responsiveness encompass the entire point of video games as a medium.It's just very, very overvalued unless you're into a very small and specific subset of games, imo.