How are the readings wrong, though? Do they show higher or lower ms values than they should?
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That's guesswork. Nobody knows, as there is still no testing device in existence.
But going by anecdotal evidence, talking with people that have the TVs, the lag is lower, hence there is no need to use gaming mode.
Interesting. Thanks.
Brightness at 50 crushes blacks on this year's OLEDs. Use a black clipping test slide, it needs to be at 52/53.
As I said, the values will vary for individual setups. They are not to be seen as gospel, but as a starting point.
No, 50 will crush black on any 2016 OLED.
I strongly suggest that people download test slides for black and white clipping, to set the brightness and contrast correctly.
Have you seen how Rtings test 4K+HDR input lag?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mugyf3OLo8
Seems reasonable to me.
What exactly is reasonable in using a device not suitable to the task?
You can disagree all you like with facts, you could even win a Presidential election doing that
mordecaii83
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You have exactly 2 options: An LG OLED that's not the B6, or the Sony X930D/X940D.
You can disagree all you like with facts, you could even win a Presidential election doing that
Rtings.com's calibration settings also have brightness at 50...
You can disagree all you like with facts, you could even win a Presidential election doing that
LOL, no thanks!
But seriously, the OLED panels have more variance than LEDs, so there are no perfect settings that suit everyone.
The best course is to take a calibration set, and work from there. Like fi with the test slides you suggested.
Rtings is the (VG)chartz of TV analysis.
Use a black clipping test slide on your OLED, you'll see. I've tested 1x B6, 3x C6, 1x E6, all crush 17 at brightness 50/51, both at gamma 2.2 and 2.4. Bumtious sees the same.
Aztechnology
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I wish TFTCentral did TV reviews.
Agreed, that's some in depth analysis they do.
DOT DASH DOT
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AVForums review certainly doesn't say that.
"Overall this was certainly one of the best HDR performances we have seen from a TV this year, it was better than the XD94 and at least as good, if not better, than the Panasonic DX902"
I have the 902 and it's half the price!(58" version) Does 98% DCI to 95% ZD, 38ms to 45ms, and 800 nit full field compared to 750. It should be blowing it away, not around the same performance, certainly makes me feel good about owning it.
mordecaii83
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No problem! If 3D is important to you, know that the OLED's are by far the best 3D TV.
Edit: The only Sony TV that comes close to the OLEDs in terms of picture quality is the Z9D. The X940D is very good, but not on the same level, and the X930D is a step below that and probably not as good as the top of the line Samsung's.
FalsettoVibe
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Why not the B6? Is it that bad for gaming?
The B6 doesn't have 3D.
ericksakti
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I have just gotten my OLED E6 here,
However, when I run the dead pixel tester, I can see 5 black pixel that would stay black when I run it in the green background, and I can see 2 grey dust looking like speck in my screen, But when I see them from reasonable distance, I cant notice any of the pixel or dust.
Question is, is this common problem in OLED to have 5-6 dead pixels, or is it unreasonable to expect no dead pixel at all in the 4k resolution?
Should I consider an exchange or just live with it?
When I watch movies and play games I cant notice it unless I look closely at the TV and try to look for it.
However, when I run the dead pixel tester, I can see 5 black pixel that would stay black when I run it in the green background, and I can see 2 grey dust looking like speck in my screen, But when I see them from reasonable distance, I cant notice any of the pixel or dust.
Question is, is this common problem in OLED to have 5-6 dead pixels, or is it unreasonable to expect no dead pixel at all in the 4k resolution?
Should I consider an exchange or just live with it?
When I watch movies and play games I cant notice it unless I look closely at the TV and try to look for it.
DOT DASH DOT
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Don't live with that many dead pixels, it's not normal, get another!!! More could show up further along too.
f@luS
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No 3D and worst electronic.
I mean same price as c6 son no reason to take it. Curve on c6 is nothing annoying
f@luS
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I'm using 52 myself. Overall don't agree much with his settings. Mostly hdr
same price is sadly not true for every region
Personally I think it's horse shit. According to rtings numbers the B6 somehow manages 38ms in HDR mode with a slower chipset than the E6. If it's possible on the B6, it's possible on the other models as well.
GinoFelino
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But they're different chipsets as you say, so comparing them doesn't really get you anywhere.
mmazurkiewicz
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How much would you guys sell a 6 year old 46" Samsung C8000 with Samsung slim wall mount for?
I have it posted on Craigslist for $200 and I've gotten like a dozen offers for it in the past few hours since posting, so I'm guessing thats too little.
I have it posted on Craigslist for $200 and I've gotten like a dozen offers for it in the past few hours since posting, so I'm guessing thats too little.
pottymouth
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Did the calibrator give you before and after calibration graphs? Care to post them?
Aztechnology
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See if you can get $300. If you're still getting tons of offers up it again. Doesn't hurt.
No, I don't have them, sorry.
LOL, no thanks!
But seriously, the OLED panels have more variance than LEDs, so there are no perfect settings that suit everyone.
The best course is to take a calibration set, and work from there. Like fi with the test slides you suggested.
Question, I am looking at your settings you posted earlier. ISF Dark,Light and HDR. You mentioned you don't need Game Mode for HDR so I assume HDR is for gaming, do you use the other 2 modes for it too ?
Umm what?
guitarguy316
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Please sign and share this petition for LG Electronics: HDR Game Mode for LG OLED TVs:
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Yappadappadu
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Done, though you could say that LG is back to old times and simply don't care, considering that some of past LG 4K LED TVs had higher input lag numbers than sets of competing manufacturers.
Wonder what MS thinks about it as they're using LG TVs to demo the Xbox consoles.
Wonder what MS thinks about it as they're using LG TVs to demo the Xbox consoles.
DJ Lushious
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Also, I think it's fair to say RTings may be a good resource for the breadth of TVs they cover, but they can be very sloppy with their results. Sometimes they will acknowledge and go back and fix things, other times not. I don't ever remember CNET having problems like that in the past. Though I do wonder why they've fallen so far from grace.
Yes, if it's non HDR content, I use them depending on time of day.
If you sit a short distance from your TV, a screen too big is more of a strain on the eye. Bigger is not necessarily better.
Appreciate the effort. Someone had to step up to do it, glad you did.
Haint
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Does this claim/statement come from Bodnar directly, or is it conjecture from owners possibly trying to justify their purchases?
Not sure but speaking from personal experience, I can definitely feel the input lag in HDR. It's not unplayable, but I can feel it. I'll test it further when the PS4 Pro arrives on Thursday.
GinoFelino
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If LG will respond to this at all, they'll just repeat their earlier point on it being impossible with their current hardware.
There's no real reason to assume that isn't true, either. I believe they recognize the importance of the feature, and not implementing it only does their brand harm. There's no real reason for them not to implement it now.
If the B6 got a firmware update for input lag, it stands to reason the E6 should follow suit, right? Only difference between the two is 3D after all.
And again, the E6 would technically have less lag than what I'm playing with now, so I really don't think this is as big a deal as people are making it out to be.
And again, the E6 would technically have less lag than what I'm playing with now, so I really don't think this is as big a deal as people are making it out to be.
How much input lag do you have right now?
The E6 is a more powerful chipset than the B6. Which is why I think they can't do it because of hardware is crap.