Yeah and active 3D flickers too.
Specifically, does the ST60 have good 3D that doesn't hurt your eyes? And in general, does the set not flicker like some plasmas do?
i don't think i've ever read a bad review concerning 3D on Panny Plasmas.
Yeah and active 3D flickers too.
Specifically, does the ST60 have good 3D that doesn't hurt your eyes? And in general, does the set not flicker like some plasmas do?
i don't think i've ever read a bad review concerning 3D on Panny Plasmas.
Why is plasma not good for gaming? Burn-in?
Do you also notice buzzing from the TV? When I had an S60 it was pretty annoying. Wondering if the ST60 is any better.My GT gets some image retention, it goes away after regular viewing for awhile, and the lag.
I like plasma for regular TV viewing (sports,etc.) and movies. Better colors and better motion.
I have had this tv for about a year now and love it. Great picture quality and the sound is actually quite good. Nice small bezel. The colors are quite accurate and it has good black levels and contrast. I don't notice much lag playing fighters and stuff but I'm no expert.
Do you also notice buzzing from the TV? When I had an S60 it was pretty annoying. Wondering if the ST60 is any better.
So is it pretty good then for gaming? I can't resist, I need a TV.
I was looking to get the exact same set. I'd be interested in hearing some more tv-saavy posters fill me in on any potential cons of the set because from what I saw displayed at Best Buy it had the most appealing image quality of any set there without taking 4k sets into account. I also acknowledge that the tvs may not be calibrated equally and things of that nature, though, so I'd like to get some feedback on it.
Oh thanks, so is it just the first number that indicates what TV it is and the 2nd and 3rd are region. Say the Sony 42" W670A and the Sony 42" W653A would be the same TV but different regions, but the 6 indicates it's the same TV.
some test on different TVs:
Reflections:
http://www.rtings.com/info/tv-reflections-matte-vs-glossy
Contrast Ratio:
http://www.rtings.com/info/what-is-the-contrast-ratio
Input Lag:
http://www.rtings.com/info/what-is-the-input-lag
Plasma Panasonic FTW!
Trying to decide between the Sony KDL-55w900a or the Sony KDL-55w802a. I haven't been able to find many comparisons between the two.
P.S. Don't tell me to get a Plasma. I already own a Panasonic GT series for my home theater / living room, and it isn't good for gaming.
Why is plasma not good for gaming? Burn-in?
I toggle it when going between games and media.
Wouldn't this mean your audio would end up out of sync if you don't adjust for that though? Although, if you are using TV audio then you wouldn't need to worry about that I guess.Yep, me too. Game mode on/off is the only setting you'll need to change switching between media and gaming.
Ok so after hearing plasmas in person, blehgggg.
So what are good 32-42in LED TVs?
Do you also notice buzzing from the TV? When I had an S60 it was pretty annoying. Wondering if the ST60 is any better.
So I think I am going with the Sony KDL-55w802a. I know it has 4 HDMI ports, but I have a silly question. I am mounting this tv on a wall (or panel on the wall)... will the HDMI cords that I plug into the side HDMI ports show? I am trying to hide all cables, and I dont want hdmi cables sticking out the side of my tv.
ANy help would be great.... I hope I like this TV! Just cant afford the extra 500 for the w900.
Just bought this today at Best Buy (55' version).
Set is slim, light, and great quality. Oddly enough, got it for the 3d since I wanted to try out the 3d games I own. Still tinkering with the calibration settings but so far so good. For the price, I think it's a great deal.
Don't like the remote that much though.
Because GT60 doesn't get sold in US, just like S60 is not sold in Europe.The ST60 adds in 3D. If you scroll to the bottom of this page it shows the difference between the ZT, VT, ST and S. I don't know why Panasonic got rid of the GT version.
ST60's power supply are known to buzz if you listen to it attentively, specially if they're showing lots of white (power draw increases).I never heard my ST60 buzz or heard fans, etc.
Actually it does get to be more complex than that.All plasmas have dithering. The best plasma panels can show about 30k colors, and the cheaper ones only can show 6k. 24-bit RGB (8 bits for Red, Green, and Blue) has a total of 16.7 million possible colors. Dithering is necessary. If you can see it clearly, you are sitting way too close to your TV. You should not see any dithering at normal viewing distance, even if it's obvious when you stand 12 inches from it and look at the image.
I have a Samsung LN46A650 that I picked up 5 years ago. http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-LN46A650-46-Inch-1080p-Touch/dp/B001413D94/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top
I a thinking of replacing it with a TV like this: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0074FGP4Y/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER
I am going to look at it tomorrow, but I'm wondering why my 5 year-old TV is selling on Amazon for $300 more than a new LED LCD (be it a lower-end model). Does my old TV have a better picture than I'm giving it credit for, and will I possibly be disappointed by a lower-end model even 5 years later with LED technology?
Ok cool. That's what I figured. I feel like I need to consider spending a little more and getting the S60.
Are plasmas as good as LCDs for gaming? My friend with an older Viera said no, but that seems like heresy.
Does anyone have an OLED display? Which one? and how is the picture quality/lag?
Thanks!
Thing with plasmas is, there is definitely a break-in period. That break-in can be done transparently these days providing you use the TV at half brightness and not abuse still images.
Games with HUD's of course, have still images, as do TV channels with no translucent logos, so the thing is, you should have a mixed usage of the set (change TV channel, change game or cycle between both, don't stress too much, but don't abuse it like it's meant to break). In short, don't go 180 hour playthrough on a game non-stop.
During the break-in period the phosphor has not aged and that means it's less obedient which means it takes more time to clean Image Retention (IR); if you abuse it that might lead to permanent retention aka burn-in.
This is not a logic thing to happen, mind you, providing normal usage. But some people abuse things through and through. I've learned of a case where a dude destroyed a 65VT60 by pulling brightness over to the max, using the TV's dynamic mode (which shouldn't be there to start with) and switching off things like pixel orbiter. This, straight out of the box. Forbid people at his place from seeing television on it and did the break-in playing hundreds of hours on Demon Souls with suicidal settings.
Suffices to say he ended up with nasty burn-in; he abused it through all means and purposes and the TV was not ready for it, not before it had 500/1000 hours worth of "normal" usage on it.
So if you like dynamic contrasts, unrealistic brightness settings, washed out colors and playing with complete utter crap image quality (due to all of the above, as increased light output degrades colors), you're better off with a LCD - certainly. Dynamic modes should be dropped all together, but I digress.
If you can savor image quality and use it within the realms of logic at first, you can actually abuse it later on; and reap the benefits of plasma tech. If you can comply to that then plasma is a good choice.
Don't get me wrong, I knowingly abused the plasma I have in front of me, out of the box too, but I knew what I was doing - I played games on it at the brightness settings I use it now (which are not by any means abusive, but not compromising either) and even pulled a few dozen hours on a 4:3 last gen RPG, centered on the TV, meaning vertical black bars for hours), apologized by running TV channels at half brightness for hours and seldom using the scroll bar and even though it had pretty obvious and lasting IR during some points of the break-in period (that took a while to cleanse) it was never "dangerous"; this said, IR can take time to clean during the break-in period, what took hours before with the scroll bar, disappears within 3/5 minutes of changing channels now - no need for the scroll bar. And that's how I know it's out of the break-in period now.
But I knew what I was doing from having prior Plasmas.
some test on different TVs:
Reflections:
http://www.rtings.com/info/tv-reflections-matte-vs-glossy
Contrast Ratio:
http://www.rtings.com/info/what-is-the-contrast-ratio
Input Lag:
http://www.rtings.com/info/what-is-the-input-lag
Plasma Panasonic FTW!
Thanks for the info. I was in the super-blown out image quality camp, but I'm changing as I get older.
So why is Panasonic suspending its plasma production if it makes such awesome sets?
Anybody know if I'll have any issues using the Sony KDL 42W654 in the U.S. since it has a 50hz refresh rate compared to the 60hz we use in America? I already ordered the T.V.
No marketing for a niche product: most manufacturers bailed out years ago so there's not even awareness of the fact they forewent a perfectly viable technology at the time - it doesn't help that LG, Samsung and Panasonic don't put budget into advertising it. Public sees everything as a linear evolution, "what came next might be worse" is not something they would expect, and yet, for public awareness, first came CRT's, then plasmas, then came LCD's, so they can't comprehend why plasmas are still sold - bar the videophiles.Thanks for the info. I was in the super-blown out image quality camp, but I'm changing as I get older.
So why is Panasonic suspending its plasma production if it makes such awesome sets?
Does anyone know if passive 3DTVs have any issues displaying non 3D content? No dimming or visible filters over the screen?
just a heads up
the P50S60 is currently $600 at Sears with free in store pickup. I'm grabbing one myself.
http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_...0050830x000545&aff=Y&PID=4485850&AID=11042411
just a heads up
the P50S60 is currently $600 at Sears with free in store pickup. I'm grabbing one myself.
http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_...0050830x000545&aff=Y&PID=4485850&AID=11042411
Fuuuuuuuu, i have a 42inch samsung plasma right now from 2008 that ive been debating on replacing. This has what ive been eyeing, someone help me over the edge on it. Will be my main tv (sports, shows, movies, games).
Help!
I have a Samsung LN46A650 that I picked up 5 years ago. http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-LN46A650-46-Inch-1080p-Touch/dp/B001413D94/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top
I a thinking of replacing it with a TV like this: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0074FGP4Y/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER
I am going to look at it tomorrow, but I'm wondering why my 5 year-old TV is selling on Amazon for $300 more than a new LED LCD (be it a lower-end model). Does my old TV have a better picture than I'm giving it credit for, and will I possibly be disappointed by a lower-end model even 5 years later with LED technology?
Because GT60 doesn't get sold in US, just like S60 is not sold in Europe.ST60's power supply are known to buzz if you listen to it attentively, specially if they're showing lots of white (power draw increases).
No fan noise because it has no fans.Actually it does get to be more complex than that.
I'm sure you know, but colors on a plasma, or possible results are result of the possible resolves per subfield.
That makes Kuro's and their contiguous subfield one of the most limited plasmas around when it came to color, but that's where ghosting time, interpolation and refresh rate came in handy, the thing was severely limited but negated that through pure "epileptic" hardwork. Had it been obvious they wouldn't be legendary to this day. I'm pretty sure Panasonic modern plasma drivers are pulling the same thing they bought the tech after all but didn't conform to the contiguous subfield method and kept the binary one instead (more color depth sans-interpolation), it's only normal they'd apply some of that research to negate their own problems to a lesser degree.
some test on different TVs:
Reflections:
http://www.rtings.com/info/tv-reflections-matte-vs-glossy
Contrast Ratio:
http://www.rtings.com/info/what-is-the-contrast-ratio
Input Lag:
http://www.rtings.com/info/what-is-the-input-lag
Plasma Panasonic FTW!