Support NeoGAF

[BlackTron]

Actually most professionals buy a Macs/iPads Pro

Perception defines reality...

 

[Kings Field]

I'm just as hyped for the shootout comparisons as I am to use the pro. Gonna be entertaining to say the least.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

Marginally better? You mean 2x or 3x better fps or/and settings not available in console version?

What video card will give me 2x or 3x better fps than a PS5 Pro and how much does it cost?

Ratchet and clank for example had nice pssr reconstruction but it's frame rate limited and lacks higher settings from PC version plus rtao and rt shadows (not to mention much higher quality rt reflections).

I beat Ratchet and Clank Rift Apart over 3 years ago. No one cares about Ratchet and Clank Rift Apart.

Difference between pc and consoles is the same as always but price difference is much closer this time for comparable experience.

Keep telling yourself that.

 

[XXL]

No. The thread was started by a console gamer.

I'm not a console gamer, I own every platform available and multiple VR headsets.

Most of my gaming is actually on PC, mainly playing Baldurs Gate 3 (I have over 650HRS in BG3). I own it on PS5 and PC, 500HRs of that is on PC.

I'm probably the biggest BG3 fan on this entire site. Lol.

Subside VR (on Steam) is one of my personal GOTYs, along with Astro Bot and Final Fantasy Rebirth.

My GOTYs in 2023 were BG3 and a bunch of VR games, like GT7 VR, RE8 VR, Red Matter 2 and Pavlov.

I'm extremely into VR (on PC and PS5). I'm currently playing through all the Half Life games in VR on Steam.

VR is one of the main reasons I'm excited for PS5 Pro.

Stop spreading lies.

 

[PandaOk]

I think a lot of the contention or "unease" some folks on PC may be feeling is because, for the longest time, the gap of what you could do on a PC versus a console was much, much wider in all years past.

I've long said I think we've underestimated just how much AI-based performance enhancements could bolster gaming to heights previously thought unattainable, especially on console and we're seeing it with PSSR.

That's not to say PC won't always have its own place for the absolute high-end, but iterations in this type of technology(especially PS6) will result in even a closed system that punches pretty hard with many graphics cards.


This kind of reminds me of the old days(arguably without the debates) of how Arcade games always were so much more beyond their home console counterparts.

It wasn't until the Dreamcast days imo that you began to see home ports that were 100% identical or even far improved(Soul Calibur).


The gap just narrowed, which I think has taken some folks aback. But thats okay...PC tech will always exceed, it just may not exceed by the margins it once did.

And even prior to the Dreamcast, consoles killed the arcades. Convenient and Good enough will always win.

It’s why Valve is pouring billions into Linux, why Steam saved PC gaming, why Steam Deck has ever so been catching on.

And it’s not uncommon that people with PCs far stronger than the SteamDeck have ended up gaming on the Deck more just because of the ease of use, portability (even with the house) and form factor.

And we are quickly approaching a time where frame rates themselves are being rendered less important than the visual perception of frame-rates, what with framegen and AI. In much the same way graphics are plateauing, we could see the perceptive advantages between all platforms continue to minimize.

And make zero mistake about it, we’re already getting quite close to the edge of perceptive response time differences.

Visual framerate (meaning perceptive advantages) are going to hit that wall far faster between devices than raster or RT did or will.

We’re near the edge of a cliff, and that cliff is the exponential speed by which the screen you’re playing on is of greater (and then surpasses) the importance of the power of the device creating it.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

The guys at Gamers Nexus do their video editing on 3090s/4090s, as do many other professionals. I also didn’t mention photo, I said graphics. Apps such as Blender have Optix optimizations for NVIDIA GPUs. When you get into CAD modeling, Unreal Engine, and demanding graphics applications, high-end cards are still the go-to choice.

For your shitty photo editing, sure, a Mac can work, but why would you by a $2500 Mac when a $1500 PC performs the same (please don’t start with Adobe is optimized for Mac)? Bottom line is, you can’t talk about value and bring up Macs.

Where did I say anything about value and Macs? lol...

Game development is done on PC, but software development is easily more mac. Software engineers won't touch a PC. That's just a reality.

 

[RetroGamingUK]

Sorry wrong thread

 

[clarky]

I'm not a console gamer, I own every platform available and multiple VR headsets.

Most of my gaming is actually on PC, mainly playing Baldurs Gate 3 (I have over 650HRS in BG3). I own it on PS5 and PC, 500HRs of that is on PC.

I'm probably the biggest BG3 fan on this entire site. Lol.

Subside VR (on Steam) is one of my personal GOTYs, along with Astro Bot and Final Fantasy Rebirth.

My GOTYs in 2023 were BG3 and a bunch of VR games, like GT7 VR, RE8 VR, Red Matter 2 and Pavlov.

I'm extremely into VR (on PC and PS5). I'm currently playing through all the Half Life games in VR on Steam.

VR is one of the main reasons I'm excited for PS5 Pro.

Stop spreading lies.

You seem to be working overtime for team blue at present. I look forward to your endless threads on the 50 series cards when they launch as well.

 

[Gaiff]

What video card will give me 2x or 3x better fps than a PS5 Pro and how much does it cost?

Not 3x. 2x. The 4090 twice the performance of the RTX 4070. Should be usually around twice the performance of the Pro, likely a bit more.

Keep telling yourself that.

He is correct though. The 4070 is the closest GPU to the PS5 Pro currently and is still presumably faster at $550. Back in 2020, the RTX 2070S was $500 against a $400 PS5. Well, you also had the slower 3060 at $400. In a few months, we’ll also have the 5060/Ti which should come reasonably close to a Pro’s GPU for $450 or less.

Where did I say anything about value and Macs? lol...

Game development is done on PC, but software development is easily more mac. Software engineers won't touch a PC. That's just a reality.

Most software engineers I know use Linux. Macs are also very common these days though, mainly because most apps are also designed to run on iOS.

I also never spoke about software engineering. I specifically pointed to heavy apps such as Blender, Maya, Cad, Unreal, etc.

 

[XXL]

You seem to be working overtime for team blue at present. I look forward to your endless threads on the 50 series cards when they launch as well.

A few of us were told by HeisenbergFX4 the "marching orders" that were going to be present at the launch of the PS5 Pro and he was 100000% right.

I can promise you I won't be saying much about about the 50 card series, I'm happy for anyone who is happy with them.

But if you think I'm going to let a bunch of astroturfers show up, spread lies and twist the conversation.....

I love this site and this community.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

Not 3x. 2x. The 4090 twice the performance of the RTX 4070. Should be usually around twice the performance of the Pro, likely a bit more.

Notice how you didn't answer the question about price. What percent of PC gamers are using a 4090? It's easy to answer that question.

0.91%

Less than 1 percent. The only reason you're talking about a 4090 which costs 2K dollars is because you believe a flagship rains down to all lower cards... it doesn't...

He is correct though. The 4070 is the closest GPU to the PS5 Pro currently and is still presumably faster at $550. Back in 2020, the RTX 2070S was $500 against a $400 PS5. Well, you also had the slower 3060 at $400. In a few months, we’ll also have the 5060/Ti which should come reasonably close to a Pro’s GPU for $450 or less.

Remember earlier in the conversation when you said that there was no GPU comparable in performance to the PS5 Pro? Video cards aren't the only component to discuss, which is why you guys constantly try to cut corners elsewhere in specs in order to make this tired argument.

Then you pretend that the 5060 will be 450 and when it's more than that, you'll just pretend like you never said it.

Most software engineers I know use Linux. Macs are also very common these days though, mainly because most apps are also designed to run on iOS.

I also never spoke about software engineering. I specifically pointed to heavy apps such as Blender, Maya, Cad, Unreal, etc.

My statements don't need to reflect only the things you say...

 

[yogaflame]

Well, give Cerny the Noble price for technology if Ps5 pro PSSR outperform or at least equal a $ 1k+ DLSS tech PC.

 

[Gaiff]

Notice how you didn't answer the question about price. What percent of PC gamers are using a 4090? It's easy to answer that question.

0.91%

Less than 1 percent. The only reason you're talking about a 4090 which costs 2K dollars is because you believe a flagship rains down to all lower cards... it doesn't...

Because I assumed you knew the price? The percentage is also irrelevant. You asked what PC GPU gives twice the performance of the Pro and I answered assuming you already knew the price but not the performance.

Remember earlier in the conversation when you said that there was no GPU comparable in performance to the PS5 Pro? Video cards aren't the only component to discuss, which is why you guys constantly try to cut corners elsewhere in specs in order to make this tired argument.

I didn’t do any of that.

Then you pretend that the 5060 will be 450 and when it's more than that, you'll just pretend like you never said it.

The 5060 more than $450? Doubtful. The 4070 is two classes above and just $550. Mid and low-tier GPUs haven’t moved that much. It’s the top-tier and high-end that got out of control. The 4060 started at just $300 for the 8GB model and $400 for the 16GB. A 12GB $350 5060 and $450 5060 Ti are more likely.

My statements don't need to reflect only the things you say...

You were replying to me and I never mentioned software engineering.

 

[Bojji]

What video card will give me 2x or 3x better fps than a PS5 Pro and how much does it cost?


I beat Ratchet and Clank Rift Apart over 3 years ago. No one cares about Ratchet and Clank Rift Apart.



Keep telling yourself that.

1. Depends on how locked FPS is. As Gaiff have said, in raw power 4090 has 2x more performance but games are locked to arbitrary framerates on consoles.

You can play games in 120fps that are 60 locked on PS5 Pro, (maybe with some lower settings) on GPUs like 4070ti/4080 (5070 4 months from now). Hell, even 4070 will allow to play at higher framerates when you are locked by developers on PS5 Pro to 30/40/60 fps. Player has the choice here. That's one of the main benefits of PC.

2. Sony cares, this game is showed everywhere to showcase Pro.

3. That's the truth.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

Because I assumed you knew the price? The percentage is also irrelevant. You asked what PC GPU gives twice the performance of the Pro and I answered assuming you already knew the price but not the performance.

I knew the price and the performance. I'm asking why you're pretending that the 4090 is somehow representative of PC gaming when it isn't.

I didn’t do any of that.

You absolutely did. Unless I'm confusing you for another shill and if that is the case my apologies.

The 5060 more than $450? Doubtful. The 4070 is two classes above and just 550. Mid and low-tier GPUs haven’t moved that much. It’s the top-tier and high-end that got out of control. The 4060 started at just $300 for the 8GB model and $400 for the 16GB. A 12GB $350 5060 and $450 5060 Ti are more likely.

Again, the statement was if it is more than 450, you're going to pretend like you never said it.

You were replying to me and I never mentioned software engineering.

You don't think I can add things that I want to say? Who are you lol?

 

[PandaOk]

I knew the price and the performance. I'm asking why you're pretending that the 4090 is somehow representative of PC gaming when it isn't.



You absolutely did. Unless I'm confusing you for another shill and if that is the case my apologies.



Again, the statement was if it is more than 450, you're going to pretend like you never said it.



You don't think I can add things that I want to say? Who are you lol?

I mean if it is true pull up the posts before he edits them and even then you’d have the timestamps!

 

[Mibu no ookami]

1. Depends on how locked FPS is. As Gaiff have said, in raw power 4090 has 2x more performance but games are locked to arbitrary framerates on consoles.

You can play games in 120fps that are 60 locked on PS5 Pro, (maybe with some lower settings) on GPUs like 4070ti/4080 (5070 4 months from now). Hell, even 4070 will allow to play at higher framerates when you are locked by developers on PS5 Pro to 30/40/60 fps. Player has the choice here. That's one of the main benefits of PC.

2. Sony cares, this game is showed everywhere to showcase Pro.

3. That's the truth.

Again, why are we talking about the 4090? Why do PC shills pretend like all of PC gamers have 4090s when it's less than 1 percent?

The 4070 isn't going to play any games at double the framerate of the PS5 Pro. And it's going to have worse ports. That's just a reality.

It's marketing. No one cares about Ratchet and Clank Rift Apart. Where is that game on the PS Store right now? How many threads do you see talking about Rift Apart in the last year?

You guys are hilarious.

 

[PandaOk]

Because I assumed you knew the price? The percentage is also irrelevant. You asked what PC GPU gives twice the performance of the Pro and I answered assuming you already knew the price but not the performance.

TBH I think the question was clearly rhetorical, FWIW.

 

[Bojji]

Again, why are we talking about the 4090? Why do PC shills pretend like all of PC gamers have 4090s when it's less than 1 percent?

The 4070 isn't going to play any games at double the framerate of the PS5 Pro. And it's going to have worse ports. That's just a reality.

It's marketing. No one cares about Ratchet and Clank Rift Apart. Where is that game on the PS Store right now? How many threads do you see talking about Rift Apart in the last year?

You guys are hilarious.

Ratchet is literally everywhere where they present PS5 Pro.

4070 is going to have higher framerate when PS5 Pro framerate is locked by devs. You can't unlock console game where you can do that on PC. Simple as that.

 

[Gaiff]

Again, why are we talking about the 4090? Why do PC shills pretend like all of PC gamers have 4090s when it's less than 1 percent?

Are you joking? This was you: You can still get marginal better performance on PC but at significant costs

Boji replied that 2-3x isn't a marginal difference and you asked which card gives that kind of performance and I answered the 4090. If you meant the 4070/3080 all along, you should have just said so. I thought you were just one of those console gamers who act like the 4090 is only a bit better than the Pro.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

Are you joking? This was you: You can still get marginal better performance on PC but at significant costs

Boji replied that 2-3x isn't a marginal difference and you asked which card gives that kind of performance and I answered the 4090. If you meant the 4070/3080 all along, you should have just said so. I thought you were just one of those console gamers who act like the 4090 is only a bit better than the Pro.

I don't need to frame my arguments around the logic of someone making disingenuous arguments...

The PS5 Pro is 700 dollars and the 4090 (which less than 1 percent of PC gamers have) is 2000 dollars.

2000 dollars is not worth it for double the framerate.

Imagine a world where people say the PS5 Pro being 200 dollars more than the PS5 is too expensive and not worth it for the performance gain only to have the same people turn around and say a 4090 is worth it...

 

[Mibu no ookami]

I mean if it is true pull up the posts before he edits them and even then you’d have the timestamps!

Except there's no similar GPU at all. RT Performance Mode is also seemingly locked to 60fps on the Pro, so again, won't work. This is a video about the quality of the upscalers, not the performance. Even in PC videos, they almost never compare the performance of DLSS vs FSR because it tends to be similar except for a few edge cases.

They might do a video of 4070 vs a PS5 Pro later on, but this isn't the point of the video. You're basically asking them to put together a PC that closely matches a PS5 Pro for performance comparisons. Hell, I'm not even sure if they have a Pro on their hands.

 

[Skifi28]

Nice and cozy platform warring Sunday thread.

Gotta devote one day for platform wars so the rest of the week is free of them, right?

 

[digdug2]

I don't need to frame my arguments around the logic of someone making disingenuous arguments...

The PS5 Pro is 700 dollars and the 4090 (which less than 1 percent of PC gamers have) is 2000 dollars.

2000 dollars is not worth it for double the framerate.

Imagine a world where people say the PS5 Pro being 200 dollars more than the PS5 is too expensive and not worth it for the performance gain only to have the same people turn around and say a 4090 is worth it...

Nailed my sentiment exactly. If you have 4090 money and you care about image quality and frame rate that much, then by all means, go for it. But calling PS5 Pro overpriced and then turning around and buying a 4090... then you're cutting your nose off to spite your face.

 

[Gaiff]

The PS5 Pro is 700 dollars and the 4090 (which less than 1 percent of PC gamers have) is 2000 dollars.

2000 dollars is not worth it for double the framerate.

Imagine a world where people say the PS5 Pro being 200 dollars more than the PS5 is too expensive and not worth it for the performance gain only to have the same people turn around and say a 4090 is worth it...

I most certainly don't think the 4090 is worth it and most PC gamers seem to agree since, you know, they ain't buying it in droves as you duly pointed out. The sentiment at large among enthusiasts is that NVIDIA is destroying the high-end market with outrageous prices. I don't know one person who was happy with the price of the 4090 and we're fearing the worst for the 5080/90. I'm not telling anyone to go buy an RTX 4090 here, neither is Bojji and I don't believe either of us said it was worth the price of admission cause I sure as hell don't think it is.

I knew the price and the performance. I'm asking why you're pretending that the 4090 is somehow representative of PC gaming when it isn't.

Who's pretending this? I answered your question about the 4090 being twice the performance of the Pro.

You absolutely did. Unless I'm confusing you for another shill and if that is the case my apologies.

No, I didn't. I even tire of all those fucking PS5 Pro PC builds, but it is true that in terms of value against PCs, the Pro is worse than the $400 PS5 DE.

Again, the statement was if it is more than 450, you're going to pretend like you never said it.

You can save this post. The 5060 won't be more than $450. I guarantee that.

You don't think I can add things that I want to say? Who are you lol?

I mean, you can say whatever you want, but why would you tell me that software engineers you know don't use PCs? Good for them I guess lol.

You keep accusing people of X or Y, but I have no idea who you're talking to. Apparently, I said the 4090 is worth it when I didn't. I made PC builds that cut corner to match the Pro when I didn't. I'm pretending the 4090 is representative of the PC gaming market and I didn't...and you talk about people being disingenous. Whew.

 

[MikeM]

Hardware performance per dollar is not subjective...

You compare the IQ/performance level with the price of the hardware the same games run on

If that matters to you- sure. But that doesn’t matter to everyone. Thats why value can be subjective to everyone’s wants and needs.

 

[PandaOk]

Hardware performance per dollar is not subjective...

You compare the IQ/performance level with the price of the hardware the same games run on

Isn’t it? You’re spending for performance and the perceptive impact that has on your experience IS inherently subjective.

So people are fine with 30/60/120 others NEED a tier of performance, if not the best, for reasons beyond performance’. Just look at display preferences, platforms, content offerings, features.

Sure we judge value relative to cost relative to other options, but like, what you’re buying isn’t a great cost ratio, it’s not ‘I have to get the lower fraction to two decimal places.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

Nailed my sentiment exactly. If you have 4090 money and you care about image quality and frame rate that much, then by all means, go for it. But calling PS5 Pro overpriced and then turning around and buying a 4090... then you're cutting your nose off to spite your face.

But that's the rub.

It's not actually about the money.

I could buy a 4090 and not think twice about it. I just don't want to play on PC.

Similarly, these PC guys don't think the PS5 Pro is expensive. They want to be seen saying it is expensive so that they can convince others that it is too expensive and not worth it. That's their whole schtick.

There appear to be fears that people will see the value proposition of the PS5 Pro and jump into that instead of PC. Especially younger more impressionable people who largely can't afford these higher end GPUs in the first place. They know that as PC interest dwindles, they'll get worse and worse ports and maybe not even get some games at all at least not at launch.

Look at GTA6... and the response to rumors that it might not hit PC for 2 years after console....

 

[Gaiff]

But that's the rub.

It's not actually about the money.

I could buy a 4090 and not think twice about it. I just don't want to play on PC.

Similarly, these PC guys don't think the PS5 Pro is expensive. They want to seen saying it is expensive so that they can convince others that it is too expensive and not worth it. That's their whole schtick.

There appear to be fears that people will see the value proposition of the PS5 Pro and jump into that instead of PC. Especially younger more impressionable people who largely can't afford these higher end GPUs in the first place. They know that as PC interest dwindles, they'll get worse and worse ports and maybe not even get some games at all at least not at launch.

Look at GTA6... and the response to rumors that it might not hit PC for 2 years after console....

Nah, I think the Pro is expensive...but I also think high-end GPUs are even more outrageously expensive. How can I not? The PS4 Pro was $400 and the 1080 Ti was $700. Now the Pro is $700 without a disc drive and the 4090 is fucking $1600+.

 

[PandaOk]

No, I didn't. I even tire of all those fucking PS5 Pro PC builds, but it is true that in terms of value against PCs, the Pro is worse than the $400 PS5 DE.

I’m not going to dogpile (not that I necessarily agree or disagree with everything, it’s a big back and forth you’re having).

But if I can trade in my old PS5, or even not, for the ability to play FFVII Rebirth at PSSR Fidelity mode 60 FPS then the the pro IS worth the 700 dollar price tag to me. Other games and features too of course, but everyone is different.

 

[digdug2]

Nah, I think the Pro is expensive...but I also think high-end GPUs are even more outrageously expensive. How can I not? The PS4 Pro was $400 and the 1080 Ti was $700. Now the Pro is $700 without a disc drive and the 4090 is fucking $1600+.

Yeah, but $400 in 2017 was worth $511 in today's money. Conversely, $700 today would have been worth $547.63. If PS4 Pro cost $550 in 2017, everyone would have shit a brick.

Inflation is a motherfucker and it's hitting us hard.

EDIT: Just for shits and grins - If adjusted for inflation, NES ($149 in Feb 1986) would have cost $429.82 in today's money. Gaming has always been expensive.

 

[MisterXDTV]

Isn’t it? You’re spending for performance and the perceptive impact that has on your experience IS inherently subjective.

So people are fine with 30/60/120 others NEED a tier of performance, if not the best, for reasons beyond performance’. Just look at display preferences, content offering, features.

Sure we judge value relative to cost relative to other options, but like, what you’re buying isn’t a great cost ratio, it’s not ‘I have to get the lower fraction to two decimal places.

We are talking about two different things here:

If you have a specific NEED then value is not as important, as the NEED comes first obviously

But value in itself can be measured, it's a METRIC

Let's say I have unlimited budget and I want only the best of the best: I will happily buy the top product but I will STILL know the value proposition is not there

Because the cost/performance ratio is worse...

 

[Gaiff]

I’m not going to dogpile (not that I necessarily agree or disagree with everything, it’s a big back and forth you’re having).

But if I can trade in my old PS5, or even not, for the ability to play FFVII Rebirth (among other games and features) at Fidelity mode 60 FPS with the convenience of a console IS worth the 700 dollar price tag to me.

You're preaching to the choir. I bought a Pro. Do I think it's worth it? No. It's too expensive for what it offers. Unlike you, however, I don't have a base PS5. Still got the old PS4 Pro that I don't intend to trade in.

I also already have a PC with an RTX 4090 that I didn't think was worth it either, but I bought it anyway because that's the way I am.

 

[PandaOk]

We are talking about two different things here:

If you have a specific NEED then value is not as important, as the NEED comes first obviously

But value in itself can be measured, it's a METRIC

Let's say I have unlimited budget and I want only the best of the best: I will happily buy the top product but I will STILL know the value proposition is not there

Because the cost/performance ratio is worse...

Both have subjective value but I’m talking about WANTS not needs. I might still be misunderstanding, but if content that the way we measure value in this exemplar is but one METRIC by which to do so. But I haven’t been able to sleep so I may be misunderstanding.

 

[Gaiff]

Yeah, but $400 in 2017 was worth $511 in today's money. Conversely, $700 today would have been worth $547.63. If PS4 Pro cost $550 in 2017, everyone would have shit a brick.

Inflation is a motherfucker and it's hitting us hard.

EDIT: Just for shits and grins - If adjusted for inflation, NES ($149 in Feb 1986) would have cost $429.82 in today's money. Gaming has always been expensive.

I think I would have been fine with a $550 PS4 Pro, not without a disc drive though. If you had told me I had to pay another $70, bringing the total to $620, then yeah, I would have been pissed.

 

[PandaOk]

Even $649 would have gone down easier imo. Still very expensive but psychologically more tolerable.

You're preaching to the choir. I bought a Pro. Do I think it's worth it? No. It's too expensive for what it offers. Unlike you, however, I don't have a base PS5. Still got the old PS4 Pro that I don't intend to trade in.

I also already have a PC with an RTX 4090 that I didn't think was worth it either, but I bought it anyway because that's the way I am.

Man one of my friends got the hardware gen fever and went literal top of the line AMD. They later told me it was a giant waste of money. I almost caught the new Gen hype until RDNA3 came out underperforming and I’m so glad.

Once the new car smell wares off I guess we’ll both see where the Pro lands for us. XD

 

[digdug2]

I think I would have been fine with a $550 PS4 Pro, not without a disc drive though. If you had told me I had to pay another $70, bringing the total to $620, then yeah, I would have been pissed.

To be completely fair, the terrain is different now. I'm not saying I'm stoked on it, but digital games accounted for 80% of sales in Q1 2024 according to VGChartz. I'm still baffled that they didn't include the disc drive.

 

[MatrixReloaded101]

Nah, I think the Pro is expensive...but I also think high-end GPUs are even more outrageously expensive. How can I not? The PS4 Pro was $400 and the 1080 Ti was $700. Now the Pro is $700 without a disc drive and the 4090 is fucking $1600+.

Keep in mind, the PS4 pro released in 2016 so of course prices would have changed now compared to back than. Both PS5 pro and 4090 are high end devices that aren't even needed unless your an enthusiast who wants the high end options.

IMO a lot of people complaining about the PS5 pro price are just acting entitled because its not like the console prevents you from sticking to the standard PS5. If the price doesn't align with your budget or needs than don't buy it. Same deal with the 4090, In most cases that GPU is overkill anyway for most people so the consist price bashing don't even make sense because other options in other price ranges are available.

 

[MisterXDTV]

Both have subjective value but I’m talking about WANTS not needs. I might still be misunderstanding, but if content that the way we measure value in this exemplar is but one METRIC by which to do so. But I haven’t been able to sleep so I may be misunderstanding.

Again, I mean value as in performance per cost ratio, the standard/traditional definition of the concept of "VALUE"

All of this started because I said PS5 Pro will be the the hardware with best value on the market.

I don't think it will be up for debate

That doesn't mean EVERYONE should buy it

 

[MisterXDTV]

Keep in mind, the PS4 pro released in 2016 so of course prices would have changed now compared to back than. Both PS5 pro and 4090 are high end devices that aren't even needed unless your an enthusiast who wants the high end options.

IMO a lot of people complaining about the PS5 pro price are just acting entitled because its not like the console prevents you from sticking to the standard PS5. If the price doesn't align with your budget or needs than don't buy it. Same deal with the 4090, In most cases that GPU is overkill anyway for most people so that consist bashing don't even make sense because other options in other price ranges are available.

Exactly, completely optional purchase as PS5 Pro will never have an exclusive game in its entire lifetime

 

[MatrixReloaded101]

Exactly, completely optional purchase as PS5 Pro will never have an exclusive game in its entire lifetime

Yup, plus if you understand PC you will know that to get a PC that can do 4k upscaling at 60 FPS with RT for modern games will cost well over $700. This is why back before the PS5 pro reveal everyone thought Sony would not release a PS5 pro because the console would have to be very expensive. Well here we are ..... and imo that $700 really isn't bad for what your getting plus you can sell your old PS5 to lower the price a bit.

 

[YeulEmeralda]

Will the PS5pro fix Metaphore anti aliasing or motion blur? No you need to go to nexusmods for that. And there is your reason for PC.

 

[digdug2]

Will the PS5pro fix Metaphore anti aliasing or motion blur? No you need to go to nexusmods for that. And there is your reason for PC.

Or just don't play a game that is only fixed by mods. There are plenty of other games out there.

 

[Gaiff]

Even $649 would have gone down easier imo. Still very expensive but psychologically more tolerable.

Man one of my friends got the hardware gen fever and went literal top of the line AMD. They later told me it was a giant waste of money. I almost caught the new Gen hype until RDNA3 came out underperforming and I’m so glad.

Once the new car smell wares off I guess we’ll both see where the Pro lands for us. XD

Same, I got a bunch of friends who got into PC gaming and I talked them all out of getting a 4090 except for one. I told them mid-range PCs were more than enough and that if they wanted to get their feet wet to start with a PC that doesn't break the bank. At this point, I try to make them not hurt themselves by spending unnecessarily for things they might not need. If you have to ask yourself if you should buy a PC with a 4090, don't buy it.

Keep in mind, the PS4 pro released in 2016 so of course prices would have changed now compared to back than. Both PS5 pro and 4090 are high end devices that aren't even needed unless your an enthusiast who wants the high end options.

IMO a lot of people complaining about the PS5 pro price are just acting entitled because its not like the console prevents you from sticking to the standard PS5. If the price doesn't align with your budget or needs than don't buy it. Same deal with the 4090, In most cases that GPU is overkill anyway for most people so the consist price bashing don't even make sense because other options in other price ranges are available.

You're not wrong, but by the same token, even a PS5 is a completely optional device. None of us needs gaming to live. It's classified as a luxury, so that there are $300 cards won't change my sentiment that the 4090's price is outrageous. The PS5 Pro is nowhere near as egregious, but I'm angry that it's the super high-end console without a disc drive.

We can at least take solace in the fact that gaming has quintupled in price like rent or housing in some places.

 

[digdug2]

Same, I got a bunch of friends who got into PC gaming and I talked them all out of getting a 4090 except for one. I told them mid-range PCs were more than enough and that if they wanted to get their feet wet to start with a PC that doesn't break the bank. At this point, I try to make them not hurt themselves by spending unnecessarily for things they might not need. If you have to ask yourself if you should buy a PC with a 4090, don't buy it.

You're not wrong, but by the same token, even a PS5 is a completely optional device. None of us needs gaming to live. It's classified as a luxury, so that there are $300 cards won't change my sentiment that the 4090's price is outrageous. The PS5 Pro is nowhere near as egregious, but I'm angry that it's the super high-end console without a disc drive.

We can at least take solace in the fact that gaming has quintupled in price like rent or housing in some places.

Absolutely. Everything is optional, with exception of the basic necessities. Everything in this and every other GAF thread are first world problems, because most of us have disposable income to spend on this hobby.

Spend your money as your wallet allows. It's simple. If something is out of your price range, save up some of that disposable income to buy it. Or buy it with credit and pay it off. They're your finances and it's your life.

 

[FrankWza]

Again, I mean value as in performance per cost ratio, the standard/traditional definition of the concept of "VALUE"

All of this started because I said PS5 Pro will be the the hardware with best value on the market.

I don't think it will be up for debate

That doesn't mean EVERYONE should buy it

Especially when you consider the ecosystem and affordable access to a portable device and VR. Easily the best value and tech of any of the 4 Pro systems released since the PS4 pro

 

[rodrigolfp]

I work on the PC 8 hours a day and play on the console in my free time. I hate the concept of working and playing on the PC and I think I'm not the only one.

Find a work that you don't hate that makes you hate your PC. I also work 8 hours a day on a PC.

Not 3x. 2x. The 4090 twice the performance of the RTX 4070. Should be usually around twice the performance of the Pro, likely a bit more.

Still can provide 3x or more because games are almost always locked to 60fps on consoles. While we can play almost all games at 200+fps, ultrawide, m+kb.

why you feel this way

Your sentiment over your gaming machine is irrelevant. The thread is about advantages of playing in one machine over other. Almost all games have several advantages on PC over what the Pro will give. Fact.

 

[digdug2]

This shit looks phenomenal.

 

[digdug2]

Find a work that you don't hate that makes you hate your PC. I also work 8 hours a day on a PC.


Still can provide 3x or more because games are almost always locked to 60fps on consoles. While we can play almost all games at 200+fps, ultrawide, m+kb.


Your sentiment over your gaming machine is irrelevant. The thread is about advantages of playing in one machine over other. Almost all games have several advantages on PC over what the Pro will give. Fact.

Cool, again - no one here gives a flying fuck about your opinion.

 

[rodrigolfp]

Cool, again - no one here gives a flying fuck about your opinion.

Good, because as I said, opinions are irrelevant.