digdug2
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Shut the fuck up already. Jesus Christ you're fucking annoying.
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PlayStation 5 Pro Could Be the Best Place to Play Multiplatform Games With Bad PC Ports; There Will Be No Reason to Use FSR Over PSSR
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
It is Cell, supercharged PC architecture, SSD/IO, all over again. Nothing new over a new console killing PC, again.
TintoConCasera
I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
digdug2
Member
You're right. I will just start posting this gif after each one of his inane comments:
Bojji
Gold Member
digdug2
Member
Certain types of annoying know-it-all people who act like an 8 year old brother make me lose my cool.
bender
What time is it?
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
Zathalus
Member
Well, this thread has run its course. Like damn, it kinda feels like 2020 all over again, PS5 is going to lead to the end of high-end PC gaming because it is way more powerful than the far majority of hardware on Steam and PC gamers will flock in droves to the PS5 (spoiler alert: it did not). Even the same tired arguments about how many gamers own a 3090, 90% of the Steam hardware is weaker than a PS5! Just replace PS5 with the Pro and it's the exact same tired take. Meanwhile, Steam growth has exceeded basically everything since 2020.
Between that and the silly PCMR takes (it's possible to enjoy console gaming over PC gaming for a wide variety of reasons, shouting at people that they are wrong because of reasons x through y doesn't help anyone) and I'm not sure what is worse.
Between that and the silly PCMR takes (it's possible to enjoy console gaming over PC gaming for a wide variety of reasons, shouting at people that they are wrong because of reasons x through y doesn't help anyone) and I'm not sure what is worse.
XXL
Gold Member
Just a reminder....
This thread was started by a comment from Alex of Digital Foundry stating this.
People are (for the most part) just discussing the basis of his comments and stating their arguments for or against.
No need to come into this thread (in particular) and gaslight people about the very foundation of this fucking thread.
This thread was started by a comment from Alex of Digital Foundry stating this.
People are (for the most part) just discussing the basis of his comments and stating their arguments for or against.
No need to come into this thread (in particular) and gaslight people about the very foundation of this fucking thread.
thismeinteil
Member
Yea, it's crazy how the PCMR acts when they're looking forward to the next GPU gen. Just sad.
Madjaba
Member
The point of playing on PC is to have choice in the way you play your games.
The important point is that some issues can be fixed by talented people and that allows PC gamers to play whatever they want in the best way ever.
Some people care, some don't and that's okay but it is a pretty significant advantage when taken into account.
HogIsland
Member
PS4 Pro turned out to be 13% of PS4 owners, and it had a lot more to offer than PS5 Pro. The idea that PS5 Pro is going to be a big success in general, let alone that it puts pressure on PC in some way is wild cope man.
HeWhoWalks
Gold Member
Like what?
HeWhoWalks
Gold Member
I haven't had any major stutters on PS5 — certainly nothing worse than what I had on PC (which, at times, were full on pauses and stops).
HogIsland
Member
like supporting 4k tvs
TrebleShot
Member
Ey,
PS5 Pro has AI upscaling, the PS4 pro was just a power bump.
It also has improved dedicated RT hardware.
Both of these additions in isolation provide a massive uptick and offload a bunch of tasks from the base hardware.
Why spend 2k on a PC when you can get a gaming dedicated box with a far better UI for less than half the price? cos you can play excel and word?
Please Make it make sense.
HeWhoWalks
Gold Member
So, one extra feature?
The Pro also uses an AI upscaler, which didn't exist with the PS4 Pro. I'd say that cancels things out.
bender
What time is it?
I'd say 4K and better VR performance are easier advantages to market to the masses along with a friendlier price point.
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HogIsland
Member
you can say whatever you want. ps5 pro isn't needed. ps4 pro made a big difference if you bought a TV after 2016. ps5 pro doesn't solve any problems and is still too underpowered to deliver RT. 400 vs 700So, one extra feature?
The Pro also uses an AI upscaler, which didn't exist with the PS4 Pro. I'd say that cancels things out.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
Same reasons as always. And a massive LOL at "better UI".
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James Sawyer Ford
Member
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
At this point, I’ll assume people who do that are trolling. You don’t understand the benefits of a PC, but you perfectly understand the benefits of a console and seriously ask someone about them?Ey,
PS5 Pro has AI upscaling, the PS4 pro was just a power bump.
It also has improved dedicated RT hardware.
Both of these additions in isolation provide a massive uptick and offload a bunch of tasks from the base hardware.
Why spend 2k on a PC when you can get a gaming dedicated box with a far better UI for less than half the price? cos you can play excel and word?
Please Make it make sense.
HogIsland
Member
The elite 5% of PS5 Pro owners ^
HeWhoWalks
Gold Member
I can say what I want, as you have, and if the Pro is not needed, vote with your wallet, as I have done while I wait for Nov 7.
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HogIsland
Member
cool man. your psvr2 is gonna pop on that thang.I can say what I want, as you have, and if the Pro is not needed, vote with your wallet, as I have done while I wait for Nov 7.
MarV0
Member
Yeah buddy you got me I will sell my 3k PC and 2k simulation rig so I can play the latest "AAA" trash on a plastic box.Ey,
PS5 Pro has AI upscaling, the PS4 pro was just a power bump.
It also has improved dedicated RT hardware.
Both of these additions in isolation provide a massive uptick and offload a bunch of tasks from the base hardware.
Why spend 2k on a PC when you can get a gaming dedicated box with a far better UI for less than half the price? cos you can play excel and word?
Please Make it make sense.
I will sell my PC that I carefully hand picked every part of it and built it myself. I will quit my milsim group, my DCS squadron, give up my iRacing career and leave all my discord groups and friends so I can play the next Sony DEI hit while sipping mountain dew.
You simply don't understand how vast and engaging the PC ecosystem is. There is a reason Sony games on PC get relatively poor sales.
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Zathalus
Member
PS4 Pro offered checkerboard rendering which was ahead of anything in the PC space at the time, it took 4 years before PC started offering better upscaling in the form of DLSS 2. All for a mere $399.Ey,
PS5 Pro has AI upscaling, the PS4 pro was just a power bump.
It also has improved dedicated RT hardware.
Both of these additions in isolation provide a massive uptick and offload a bunch of tasks from the base hardware.
Why spend 2k on a PC when you can get a gaming dedicated box with a far better UI for less than half the price? cos you can play excel and word?
Please Make it make sense.
PS5 had GPU performance at launch that was equal to $500-$700 GPUs. RT was still incredibly niche and DLSS 2 had just kicked off with only a handful of games. Price was once again a mere $399.
Despite all of the above, Steam is now 3 times as large as it was back in 2016.
Now we have the Pro. Upscaling that PC already has or slightly exceeds, RT that is still behind Nvidia with it now being way prevalent, and GPU power that is roughly in the same ballpark vs PC where the PS5 was 4 years ago. Except the price is now $699 and even higher in Europe.
Why is anyone expecting the Pro to do anything to PC players is beyond me. PC gaming has a huge following for a reason, and it’s got nothing to do with Excel. The advantages of PC gaming and why people are drawn to it have been discussed over and over again. It is not for everyone, but it is for the hundreds of millions that enjoy it.
TrebleShot
Member
You think Windows is a good UI?
Its a rhetorical question designed ingeniously to highlight the absurdity of the argument that someone would want a dedicated gaming device to do "other things".
Guess what my toaster can also burn documents, but I didnt buy it for that did I?
HeWhoWalks
Gold Member
Don't have a PSVR 2 yet, but that's in the cards.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
Any UI that I can navigate with a mouse instead of a retarded Dpad/analog stick is betters. Plus the keyboard for typing when I need. Plus Steam Big Picture and alternatives are options. -_-zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
MazingerDUDE
Gold Member
Someone gave me Gold, I really appreciate it but please don't
PSSR is excellent at blending alpha test textures such as fur and foliage, removing most of the dithering artifacts
PSSR is excellent at blending alpha test textures such as fur and foliage, removing most of the dithering artifacts
TrebleShot
Member
No, you get Steam Deck
Sometimes, threads need a little bit of a bump. Especially these unhinged ones.
TrebleShot
Member
I hope my next tv comes with a mouse instead of a remote control.
Consoles also have major advantages over PCs and this isn’t Sophie’s choice. You can easily get the vast majority of benefits of PC without spending yourself into missing out on the benefits of consoles.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
Cool. All of them I see as insignificant/don't see as an advantage/don't use, other than some exclusives.
It's not a PC if you don't use it for excel. Duh.
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Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
>Fire up Wukong on PS5
>Shitty FSR and breakup in motion
>All modes suck
>Best mode is balanced with a terrible 45fps cap that doesn’t play nice with 120Hz TVs
>Performance Mode uses frame generation to hit 60fps, resulting in laggy controls
>Fire up Wukong on PC
>DLSS is way better than FSR
>Cap it to 40Hz (or whatever you want)
>Frame generation also has Reflex enabled, which dramatically reduces input lag
Moutbreathers: Why buy a PC as a dedicated gaming device, guys?
>Shitty FSR and breakup in motion
>All modes suck
>Best mode is balanced with a terrible 45fps cap that doesn’t play nice with 120Hz TVs
>Performance Mode uses frame generation to hit 60fps, resulting in laggy controls
>Fire up Wukong on PC
>DLSS is way better than FSR
>Cap it to 40Hz (or whatever you want)
>Frame generation also has Reflex enabled, which dramatically reduces input lag
Moutbreathers: Why buy a PC as a dedicated gaming device, guys?
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XXL
Gold Member
Someone gave me Gold, I really appreciate it but please don't
If you really didn’t give a beep why would you would be turning into that kid everyone in class laughs at.
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rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
Everyone = crybaby console warriors.Hey, it's going to be okay! We can fix this!
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If you really didn’t give a why would you would be turning into that kid everyone laughs at in class.
Bojji
Gold Member
Ey,
PS5 Pro has AI upscaling, the PS4 pro was just a power bump.
It also has improved dedicated RT hardware.
Both of these additions in isolation provide a massive uptick and offload a bunch of tasks from the base hardware.
Why spend 2k on a PC when you can get a gaming dedicated box with a far better UI for less than half the price? cos you can play excel and word?
Please Make it make sense.
Ehhh, even pc on par with pro or worse has shit ton of things that consoles doesn't offer. It was discussed millions of times. And this is all about gaming, not word or office...
PS4 pro power bump was over 100% when it comes to GPU power, it was bigger jump than PS5 pro is (45%) and for the same price as launch unit!
They even didn't remove features (disc drive), lol.
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HeWhoWalks
Gold Member
VR was not a feature of the Pro. It still required additional hardware. 4K was, and like the PS5 Pro, it was an improvement of image quality, only mass market. It was priced accordingly.
So, the point stands that there wasn't some huge featureset that accompanied the PS4 Pro in comparison to the PS5 Pro.
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Mibu no ookami
Demoted Member® Pro™
You continue to make disingenuous arguments.
Fire up Wukong on PC? You mean specifically an Nvidia RTX PC, because you're not going to have DLSS with a non nvidia non RTX card
Frame gen? That requires RTX 40 series narrowing it down even more.
Even among these users, PS5 Pro is going to overperform the majority, which are using 4060 level cards.
Your idea that PC = nvidia rtx is simply a lie.
Skifi28
Member
Grab a controller and chill.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
And you continue to be utterly unable to comprehend what you read.
Are you that dense? The point I was driving home is that you build a PC to customize your experience to your liking.
And do you even know what the fuck the word disingenuous means because it’s clearly far above what your little brain can comprehend. You’re the one who accused me of saying a bunch of things I never even claimed and you act like a dishonest fanboy yet have the nerve to call anyone disingenuous.
Grab a dictionary and learn what fallacies are and stop being a freakin’ hypocrite.
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Mibu no ookami
Demoted Member® Pro™
I don't think anyone is claiming that PC doesn't have unique advantages but so do consoles. I think what doesn't add up is claiming PC is this larger monolith than it is or that it is a larger market than it is.
Ignoring PSSR and better ray tracing is quite convenient.
A disc drive we know most aren't using by default...
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
Console is only PS5???
Occupied with m+kb playing R6Siege. And very chill.
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