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PlayStation acquires Haven, the new studio led by Jade Raymond
Wandering Leopard
Member
Apples to oranges comparison no. You've mentioned game designers/directors but Raymond has a history of producing games, which means she isn't really directly involved in game development.
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kyliethicc
Member
Producers are important.
They often allow the creatives to just focus on the creative side of the project.
Schedules, budgets, deadlines, hiring, etc.. its boring work but it's necessary.
Useful to keep those tasks off the shoulders of the game's directors and leads, too.
Wandering Leopard
Member
Definitely. But I get the sense a lot of people who've been posting in here haven't realised a producer is very different from being a designer or coder. And a producer's performance is measured in different ways.
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vaibhavpisal
Member
Sony has been buying a ton of no name studios recently.
Nothing to see here unless they release something half decent. Both Haven and Sony have no experience with GAAS.
Both are expecting Bungie to do some miracle and help them out cause they paid so much.
AmuroChan
Member
It's great that Sony has confidence in the studio and what they're working on, but it's probably best to keep your expectations in check until we at least see the game in action. it's not like Sony doesn't swing and miss once in a while. They had a lot of confidence in Dreams too, and gave MM 6 years to make that game. That game came and went and nobody cared. They also greenlit TWO Knack games. I hope Haven's game is amazing, but I'll reserve judgement on it until I see some gameplay.
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
The vague descriptions they used were "community", "inclusion" and "player expression" which had me a little worried. But this concept art looks dangerous/mysterious open world to me. Probably looking at a 92 - 96 Metascore for this one.
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tmlDan
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Midnight Bliss
Member
Had she even done anything besides appear in a fan webcomic?
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
And she is an excellent producer.
Your comment implies that producers have no worth in game development sides. I'd say they're more important than ever, considering the ever-growing cost and time duration of AAA game development. You can see how many XGS has been struggling putting out high-quality games at a consistent clip. Most of it comes down to poor production pipeline.
Craig of War
Banned
She done The Sims, Ass Creed 1 & 2, Splinter Cell, Watch Dogs, Far Cry & Battlefront
I would say that a lot then just appear in a fan webcomic lol
FukuDaruma
Member
And we all know WHY Anita Sarkeesian has that many results, right?
Nobody said it is, you are the only one weirdly talking about "moral rights" or "feelings" out of nothing.
I'll say it again: Jade Raymond has been enjoying a disproportionate amount of media coverage for the career she has.
She's been labeled as a "CREATOR" by the media when she was a Producer and Managing Director, a managerial profile that isn't a CREATIVE at all. She's been part of some hits as a Producer/Managing Director, but some hits that were also infamous release disasters, which WAS her responsibility as Producer/Managing Director. Her work was to make sure the games were done (ok), on time according to set milestones (were delayed) and were released in a proper state (some of the most important were not).
NONE other pure Producer/Managing Director with a similar track record had this amount of media coverage. In the vast majority of cases ** we don't even know who they are at all **, because the media don't give a fuck about them. And just wanting to give "a fuck" seems to be a very important 'reason' to do many articles about/around her.
Google hits may not be the only metric, but it is one that shows a broad picture, and more important than just a pure personal opinion.
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bitbydeath
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This probably explains the appeal of Haven's new title.
www.gamesradar.com
Who better to push their game than the creator of Playstation 5 himself.
Jade Raymond's new studio is working with Mark Cerny to "push the technical capabilities" of PS5
Some new details have surfaced about Haven Studios' debut title
Who better to push their game than the creator of Playstation 5 himself.
Papacheeks
Banned
Crucify? I just want to take Jade out to a nice sea food dinner............then never CALL HER AGAIN!!
lostinblue
Banned
Part 7
Die Namek Ability
Member
Pro Sony posts? Most of the posts i reacted to are the ones thats support this studio/ her on her merits from past accomplishments and have detached those accomplishments from the fact she has a pair of tits and a nice smile.
Same ol G
Member
My reaction was only about her looks, some people in the tread are acting like she is a model or something.
Seeing a picture clearly showing her age is just funny to react to.
I never once mentioned something about her not being capable or not deserving her position, she probably worked hard for that and i'm not gonna comment on that.
yurinka
Member
I'm not revising history, I'm just saying it's a fact that these games and many other ones where her team worked have been huge hits in sales and kept a huge fanbase even if the games had their flaws.
AC2? Yes, she and her team not only worked in the original (she took it as a failed project that was a Prince of Persia sequel), but also in this one and in many AC sequels more. And Haven has some of the key people who worked on these games.
Watchdogs? She and her team took a mess of a failed project that was a Driver sequel and turned it into a super seller new IP and also made the sequel. And Haven has some of the key people who worked on these games.
Far Cry? Her team worked on FC3, FC3 Blood Dragon, FC4, FC Primal and FC4. And Haven has some of the key people who worked on these games.
You may not like these games but all sold over a dozen million units.
New IP? After her success turning a failed Prince of Persia sequel into a super successful new IP Jade Raymond was promoted to be executive producer responsible for the Ubisot new IPs for the period they published (or at least greenlighted and started to work on): Scott Pilgrim, Child of Eden, Outland, Rocksmith, ZombiU, Valiant Hearts, Child of Light, Grow Home, Just Dance, Watchdogs, South Park: The Stick of Truth, The Crew, The Division, For Honor to name some of them. These last half a dozen also sold a shit ton of copies too.
Regarding marketing, they are a AAA company and like any other AAA company they spend a lot in marketing. But the marketing budget isn't proportional to sales. A big marketing makes more people see the game, but if doesn't appeal enought the players they won't buy it. And if a player buys a game of a series and doesn't like it enough, won't buy the next entry. If the player repeats it's because liked the previous one enough to repeat and also found the next one appealing enough (even if like any game has its flaws).
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EDMIX
Writes a lot, says very little
also you
yea...that is a feelings argument bud.
What amount is right? Oh so it needs to be equal and fair and just? foh
Stop crying over this shit. No one owes you some equal amount of popularity, evenly spread out based on how hard you cry.
Easy ignore buddy.
yurinka
Member
Yes, and not only as producer. She also has been very successful building, growing and leading very productive and successful studios and helping to create/curate new IP like the ones I mentioned in this post.
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FukuDaruma
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I put numbers of google results compared to others. Most other Producer/Managing Director pure managerial profiles are not even known at all. "Feelings" is pulling mere opinions out of your ass because you like her.
Oh, so you are acknowledging it is not in fact, but you just don't care.
I don't care that much, I'm just tired of all the drooling around her, a non-creative profile with such a meh career.
"crying"... you gonna use "little girl" too, you big mouth tough guy?
No one owes you shit either, and what is being said and discussed *** does not have anything to do with "being owed" anything to anybody ***, but it says a lot that you end up having to resort to that kind of 'arguments', tough guy.
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FukuDaruma
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Fact is she started as a programmer, which is NOT a CREATIVE either, "wether you like it or not". Fact also is she didn't do anything of relevance as a programmer, to the point of not even being mentioned in most of her bios, let alone being anything at all that defined her career or the media interest in her.
Dude, her entire career but that irrelevant first job as a programmer has been pure managerial roles. "No evidence"?
A guy that worked at UBI (and talked good about her) already told you what a Producer/Managing Director does in this very same thread. Her main job was to make sure the teams worked well, the games were made, on budget/time and got well released. She didn't design or direct any of those games. She helped getting them made, from a managerial stand point as a Producer/Managing Director, which is a very different thing than being a creative. But she gets labeled as a "CREATOR" in the media anyway.Another great 'argument', very defining of your personal limitations.
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FukuDaruma
Member
Don't worry, I don't mind and forgive your insults because I'm well aware of your limitations and that they are your only escape when you realize your own ignorance and lack of any proper argument.
Ass of Can Whooping
Gold Member
If only you were aware of your own stupidity too.
Programmers aren't creatives? How fucking ignorant can you be?
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FukuDaruma
Member
A programmer is not part of the CREATIVE team in game development, genius, but part of the DEVELOPMENT team.
Jade Raymond had a first job as a programmer, nobody knows what she did, hasn't been of any relevance in her career or to the media covering her and defined exactly ZERO of her career, which from that TOTALLY IRRELEVANT first job has been entirely in managerial Producer/MANAGING Director positions.
EDMIX
Writes a lot, says very little
and proceeded to cry about those results as if it NEEDS to be some exact number.
This is a feelings argument. Get over it.
You are crying cause you are MAD that someone likes someone else more, thats it. No one fucking needs make some even level of popularity to make you stop crying bud.
FukuDaruma
Member
"You crying!"
So that is your 'argument'. A childish rant from kindergarten level.Nobody said it "needs to be some exact number", the numbers give a broad picture on how big the coverage for Raymond has been, compared to other much more importante profiles, either creative or managerial. The point being: because she is a pretty face. The media knows that sells, wankers love it and she profits from it. We just don't see that many articles about pure producers and managers for anybody else.
I'm sure you are just projecting and this is a "feelings" argument for you. Sorry if she's your waifu or something, dude. I'm sure you'll grow up out of it eventually.
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kyliethicc
Member
Some of these guys will only stop hating her when she personally titty fucks their mommy issues away.
Slothbeing1209
Member
Knack 3?This probably explains the appeal of Haven's new title.
Jade Raymond's new studio is working with Mark Cerny to "push the technical capabilities" of PS5
Some new details have surfaced about Haven Studios' debut title
Who better to push their game than the creator of Playstation 5 himself.
midnightAI
Member
Never seen concept art before huh? Many are done by the use of photobashing (like these) to speed up the process. But anyway, just concept art not in game graphics, and these are certainly on the more realistic side.
crunchyBiscuits
Member
You know what? I fucking hope this game does well. Not because I like GaaS, but to spite all these hot takes about how she's a woman, Sony buying Haven cos of her boobs, her receiving more attention than the PD for AC etc.
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
"These environments are not just games, they are also social platforms for many players," said Haven Studios co-founder Paola Jouyaux in the same interview. "It has to stay that way. To last, a game must remain pleasant to visit."
She gets it.
She gets it.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
Draugoth
Gold Member
Jade Raymond's Haven Studio is already inspiring other PlayStation studios - and not just with its game
The ink has now dried. The team at Haven Studios -- the Canadian game developer led by industry veteran Jade Raymond --…
www.gamesindustry.biz
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Pedro Motta
Gold Member
Seems to be a very talented group of people. Hope they deliver.
STARSBarry
Gold Member
For anyone wondering who the hell these guys are, it was founded by
en.wikipedia.org
In 2021
They haven't made any games, but if you want your single player games to be full priced with multiple season passes and a fully stocked premium store at launch with its own currency you can only purchase for real money, there perfect...
Jade Raymond - Wikipedia
In 2021
They haven't made any games, but if you want your single player games to be full priced with multiple season passes and a fully stocked premium store at launch with its own currency you can only purchase for real money, there perfect...
Wandering Leopard
Member
They must have showed them a really impressive concept/prototype, and it's an investment in the people who work for them. I'll agree it's risky.
lughnasadh123
Member
Would love to hear what they pitched to get them snatched up like that. Should be some good stuff.
Varteras
Member
From what I remember, when Haven began its partnership with Sony they were asked to pitch three games and then they'd choose one to run with. Apparently, Sony loved all three of them and wanted Haven to work on all of them. Meaning they would be willing to pay for the rapid and huge studio expansion that would require. Haven turned down that proposal and opted to focus on one game for now. But clearly Sony is confident on at least whatever their visions are.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Reading this just makes me sad. No where do they talk about pushing gameplay innovation. Just cloud and services. No talk of physics, AI, level design thats been stagnant since 2005. Just GaaS, GaaS, GaaS. I would expect this from Ubisoft and Activision trash, but not Sony.
Chronicle
Member
True but look at the Sony family of studios. I think Sony knows what it's doing. I believe they give good artistic freedom and support they're studios. I'm sure they see something of value.
Yes. There have been some historical disappointments ie Evolution for me. Driveclub was amazing but poorly launched and I believe a failure.
jm89
Member
It's low risk , high reward. If they deliver something big then they get a money maker , if they don't i can't imagine haven costing them that much.
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