Playstation fans speak now or forever hold your peace.

Odd rant

- It's being done in a way that isn't affecting PlayStation sales

- PS5 is selling a well as PS4, so not brand damage

- Some people will decide not to buy a PS5 due to this, others will decide to buy a PS5 based on discovering Sony's games on other platforms. It balances out.

- Sony published games on Saturn and PC in the 90s (WipEout, Destruction Derby etc) with no issues

- Recent porting of games started under Jim Ryan

- PlayStation and Xbox are no longer competing

- Destiny (another Sony GAAS is already on Xbox too)

- Next Xbox (or Xbox PC) will play Sony's Steam games anyway

Sony seem to have a strategy of making extra money from old titles without harming their PlayStation business. Seems to be working out well so far.

It does make PlayStation seem less unique when you look back and try to count full exclusives, but the timing means that by the time they release the bulk of sales have already happened on PlayStation anyway.
 
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Soren01 said:
The console war is over.
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kyoji said:
When does it become serious? Before or after they change their mind and go day and date with pc? When more games go to nintendo? Xbox?
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I mean.....we are really lowballing the word "serious" here, aren't we? It's video games man. None of it is really "serious"
 
I've been in since PS1, but Sony made games really aren't for me, it seems. The only truly great ones for me are Parappa 1 and 2, Wild Arms 1, Shadow of the Colossus, and I suppose I enjoyed the original God of war trilogy/PSP games, despite the cringe writing for Kratos ("ARES!!1!!).

I've had people in real life talk about for great Sony is, and then they proceed to produce a laundry list of games I wouldn't touch with a 10-foot pole (Uncharted, Socom, Last of Us, Etc.).

If they ever do a remake for Legend of Dragoon, I'm totally down. I never finished it due to a glitch where the game wouldn't progress after a long boss fight. Apparently it was a common glitch? But yeah, it would be nice to finish that one some day.
 
The day spider-man 1 is pity ported over people are going to lose their mind.

It's a GaaS please relax or touch grass. Take it a step further and go to a beach this weekend, get smacked around by some waves.
 
kyoji said:
Pay attention to the bootlickers in this thread. Who offer no counter no real conversation this is who are ok with this and a slow spiral of admission to sony own faults. Pay attention. Its the same as with super xbox fans. And it all starts as one thing and leads to another.
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Did you miss the headline last week?

Fans Can't Believe PS5 Has Made More Profit Than All Previous PlayStations Combined

A slide from a recent PlayStation investors presentation has gone viral, as it effectively confirms that the PS5 has made more profit than all of Sony's previous consoles combined.

The manufacturer pegs PS5's operating income at $13 billion so far, while the PS1 era netted $3 billion, the PS2 era made $2 billion, the PS3 lost $4 billion, and the PS4 rebounded with $9 billion. Add the numbers up and you get $10 billion for PS1 through PS4.
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Danjin44 said:
My current issue with Playstation this gen as whole is they stopped games that I like.

Other than Team ASOBI they don't have any studio to make the games I want.
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Yep, and ironically it's their failure to continue to supply those kinds of games which has led them to this point where they are chasing scraps on other platforms to pad out their GAAS and "engagement" metrics.
 
PS5 might be my last PS console and transitioning back to full Nintendo environment. PCMR side is to expensive for me and clunky. Well anyway I miss my 80's to 90's Nintendo feeling :messenger_beaming:
 
Its becoming abundantly clear that playstation leadership is compromised from top to bottom and those of you wanting japanese head conveniently forget how they are the worse about chasing what the west is doing and trends.

But to my point If this is what PlayStations new strategy consist of to constantly devalue and belittle their own core fanbase little by little, then this is what i have been preparing for over the last 3 years. Actions speak louder than words and i have enough backlog to stay locked in on ps5 on back for the foreseeable future with no problems until i finally make a move to pc or elsewhere.

There is already talk by outsiders who dont fully support playstation on 'why' they should even buy one now that playstation puts games on other platforms. Mind you PERCEPTION is everything in marketing. These short term gains playstation think they are garnering will do long term irreparable damage, and once you lose your core audience thats the beginning of the end. Those 30% cuts from third party and ps+ subs will dry up faster than pouring water on concrete on a hot summer day - and once people start rebuilding or exploring their options elsewhere… Elsewhere being platforms you have no control over or how consumer spending is encouraged then thats will be a wrap.

I'm not here to argue with anyone, ill just be voting with my wallet and habits going forward. Fool me once shame on you - fool me twice shame on me. And i promise i won't be fooled twice. If you're a playstation fan whom has bought in and invested directly.. Now is the time to speak up. if you enjoy playstation and you don't want to see them make mistakes others have in the past. Either speak/act now or remain complicit and watch the titanic sink over time because of their own mismanagement and decisions in the name of 'expanding' and profits. Fools gold at its finest.

I'll reiterate please critically think before you speak, if you sink money directly into playstation via their supposedly 'core model' and not off hand thru a PC or whereever else you should be thinking long and hard about the consequences of everything they are doing this gen because it will eventually effect you going forward and where u choose to play which will ultimately effect them. Their are lots of bad faith actors who want this because they know the damage it will do and weakening of the brand, And you dont have to look far across the pond to find examples *looks at xbox.*
 
It's only games bruh and if you care so much find a new hobby because it's going to get worse eventually. They literally have no competition in the console space. They don't have to rely on there first party as much because third party will do it for them and they get almost everything under the sun in terms of gaming. PC gaming is getting more expensive and if Sony is still the low cost to entry in playing games and triple A games they will be fine.
 
kyoji said:
Its becoming abundantly clear that playstation leadership is compromised from top to bottom and those of you wanting japanese head conveniently forget how they are the worse about chasing what the west is doing and trends.
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I don't care if their head is Japanese or not. I want them to continue posting record numbers as they did for many years in a row and to use that money to make more cool games like Astro Bot, Helldivers 2 or Marvel Tokon.

I think numbers prove Sony's management is better than ever and nothing is wrong with them.

kyoji said:
But to my point If this is what PlayStations new strategy consist of to constantly devalue and belittle their own core fanbase little by little, then this is what i have been preparing for over the last 3 years.
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That's bullshit, a few fanboys being butthurted because can't stand to see Sony publishing games outside their console doesn't mean they devaluate their brand.

The objective data shows that the result is the opposite: they are growing their brand/userbase/revenue both inside and outside their console.

kyoji said:
These short term gains playstation think they are garnering will do long term irreparable damage, and once you lose your core audience thats the beginning of the end. Those 30% cuts from third party and ps+ subs will dry up faster than pouring water on concrete on a hot summer day - and once people start rebuilding or exploring their options elsewhere… Elsewhere being platforms you have no control over or how consumer spending is encouraged then thats will be a wrap.
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First, growing their business outside their console is helping to grow their console. So your premise is wrong.

Second, every generation the AAA game budgets keep highly increasing and the percent of game revenue coming from game sales keep decreasing, getting replaced by add-ons and gamesubs. GaaS also keep growing their percent of playtime, highly reducing the one for new games and particularly non-GaaS ones.

Meaning, for the long term the playtime and revenue chunk for new non-GaaS AAA will be too limited. Specially if they are limited to a single console.

So to be limited to a single console and to non-GaaS AAA games would be a suicide for the long term. To keep their AAA production business sustainable the smart investment for the long term is to also invest in GaaS and to publish in more platforms. And on top of that to further monetize these IPs outside gaming and also using these non-gaming adaptations to bring new fans to the games.

Their strategy is smart, very profitable, future proof, the top grossing one in the market and is helping them to continue increasing their marketshare even if they already are now the market leaders.
 
Juja said:
I've been in since PS1, but Sony made games really aren't for me, it seems. The only truly great ones for me are Parappa 1 and 2, Wild Arms 1, Shadow of the Colossus, and I suppose I enjoyed the original God of war trilogy/PSP games, despite the cringe writing for Kratos ("ARES!!1!!).

I've had people in real life talk about for great Sony is, and then they proceed to produce a laundry list of games I wouldn't touch with a 10-foot pole (Uncharted, Socom, Last of Us, Etc.).

If they ever do a remake for Legend of Dragoon, I'm totally down. I never finished it due to a glitch where the game wouldn't progress after a long boss fight. Apparently it was a common glitch? But yeah, it would be nice to finish that one some day.
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The resistance and killzone games are peak. Back when they were trying to compete with gears and halo. Wish they'd reboot resistance. I love those games.
 
They are too woke and to american. that's it and it hurts.
I also dislike the service push and sony trying to kill physical gaming. it sucks.

Just be a game console. nothing more. more exclusives but not the woke crap.
And I dislike the woke lady in every single video they release where there is a human. We all know why she is there... and it's not for charisma
 
rofif said:
They are too woke and to american. that's it and it hurts.
I also dislike the service push and sony trying to kill physical gaming. it sucks.

Just be a game console. nothing more. more exclusives but not the woke crap.
And I dislike the woke lady in every single video they release where there is a human. We all know why she is there... and it's not for charisma
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I thought you loved Stellar Blade?
 
jesus and people have the audacity to say nintendo fans are a cult and yet we have threads on here like this LOOOL. PS4 was the last decent playstation now it's gone to shit no wonder people are walking away.
 
I'm here since the ps1 era and I've seen it all. When it's your daddy or uncle's company, their product kinda works both ways and it's a win win situation cause they know what they're doing before you even born into this world.
 
Shambala said:
Lmao it ain't that serious bro
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It's affected his sex life, his sense of pride as a man, and his self worth. I think we should all bum rush playstation HQ and demand them to apologize to him and to also have kratos give him a piggy back ride to a toy store so that he can pick out any toy he wants as compensation.
 
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The timing of this is odd in that there's barely any reference to MS. These warnings implies Sony needs to learn from MS mistakes so why not just say that.
 
You guys are all laughing at this post. "Melodrama" aside, OP is absolutely right. I wish I could say I'm surprised at the reaction, but the Bible taught us something that even non-religious people can understand: If Jesus was hated for telling the truth, anyone can be.

You dummies and multiplatformists are just remixing the copium and arguments made by Xbox fans when MSFT started porting to PC and then to PS and Nintendo. Microsoft still gets the money! Closed platforms are suicide long term! It won't affect game quality! It's better that "more people get to play!"
 
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ProtoByte said:
You guys are all laughing at this post. "Melodrama" aside, OP is absolutely right. I wish I could say I'm surprised at the reaction, but the Bible taught us something that even non-religious people can understand: If Jesus was hated for telling the truth, anyone can be.

You dummies and multiplatformists are just remixing the copium and arguments made by Xbox fans when MSFT started porting to PC and then to PS and Nintendo. Microsoft still gets the money! Closed platforms are suicide long term! It won't affect game quality! It's better that "more people get to play!
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More games for my steam account is always a W. Cry harder nerd.
 
ProtoByte said:
You guys are all laughing at this post. "Melodrama" aside, OP is absolutely right. I wish I could say I'm surprised at the reaction, but the Bible taught us something that even non-religious people can understand: If Jesus was hated for telling the truth, anyone can be.

You dummies and multiplatformists are just remixing the copium and arguments made by Xbox fans when MSFT started porting to PC and then to PS and Nintendo. Microsoft still gets the money! Closed platforms are suicide long term! It won't affect game quality! It's better that "more people get to play!
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Sony still isn't releasing non live service games day and date on any other platform. Not everyone wants to wait a year and they don't have a game pass. If anything they are learning from Microsoft's mistakes.
 
Moving to California head quarters really killed PS appeal especially to Japan fans. And worse turned Sony into woke especially twisted gender ideology infested. Killing a true Japan studio is another one. Ps6 might be on its ways to be the worse selling PS console once it is launch. But it is what it if Sony's long term direction is to be a multiplatform developer and publisher.
 
It's been so long since we had a proper copy pasta meltdown on GAF. Thank you for your service.
 
ProtoByte said:
You dummies and multiplatformists are just remixing the copium and arguments made by Xbox fans when MSFT started porting to PC and then to PS and Nintendo. Microsoft still gets the money! Closed platforms are suicide long term! It won't affect game quality! It's better that "more people get to play!
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I'm not making any of those arguments. My argument is very simple. Xbox is already doing this and still failing. If PS does it what can I do? Like seriously what are you expecting me to do? Go back to PC gaming? I tried it for like two years and hated it. Go to Nintendo? I can't stand any of their first party games. I got a switch and never used it. Well I did like Xenoblade chronicles 2 but hated the remake. So Xbox and PS is all I have.

So what exactly am I supposed to do here?
 
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