Hierophant
Banned
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Pokemon Prism (Crystal ROM Hack in Development for 8 years) C&D'd by Nintendo
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BassForever
Member
Thanks for the answer guys, I got it.
So if tomorrow one of the main activity of Nintendo is making tshirts, then the "fan made tshirts" would be most likely removed of the market, right?
What I feel a little unfair is that those guys who make fan games are not making money from it, or at least not directly, so it's a bit exagerated to kill those projects. It's not like it would kill, for exemple, the Pokémon Sun & Moon sales anyway. That's my opinion at least.
One could argue even if only one sale was loss then the existence of the fan games was detrimental to the franchise. Yeah thats a comically extreme viewpoint and wouldn't even be a statical blimp on the bottom line. As long as the answer to "sales lost because of a fan game" is potentially not zero which nobody can prove then it can be rationalized by those in power that c&d is always the right decision.
Also for those saying "but sega/bethesda/etc allow fan games/mods/rom hacks" there is a very clear separation between any of those companies and Nintendo. Nintendo is a hardware and software manufacturer and until this year you had to own a Nintendo system to legally play any of their games. While a pc fan game may not devaule the value of that ip's brand, it arguably lowers the worth of their systems since you can now play a pokemon or metroid game on your pc. Every other developer who's cool with mods/fan games of their ip already have their games available for purchase on pc. Should Nintendo be more progressive and ease up on their view of fan created games/hacks? I would like to see it happen, but I can understand its a very different situation for them compared to other companies.
A ROM hack requires the ROM. So no, this wasn't given a C&D because you can "now" play a Pokemon game on the PC. You can still play Pokemon Crystal on your PC if you have the ROM. You just can't play Pokemon Prism.
orthodoxy1095
Banned
???
What makes this story significant is that they were not doing that. It's akin to Nintendo going after people who make (not even sell) console decals.
They are not literally distributing a ROM, no.
KZXcellent
Member
Are they? Every romhack I've encountered is distributed through an IPS/Patch file. It's up to you to download the rom and patch it.
LightningXCE
Member
It was never planned to have a distributed ROM, only a patch. There was even a custom patch format developed to prevent anyone from acquiring anything related to it without verifying and patching an existing ROM - a ROM that nobody would release or distribute.
This is a very tough situation, one with no good answer.
At this time, no person on the development team is, or will be releasing the game. We have all abided and will continue to do so.
It really, really... really sucks.
This is a very tough situation, one with no good answer.
At this time, no person on the development team is, or will be releasing the game. We have all abided and will continue to do so.
It really, really... really sucks.
FantasticMrFoxdie
Mumber
Mery Christmas bitches!
Feels bad. 8 years down the drain. Sometimes drains leak though i think
Feels bad. 8 years down the drain. Sometimes drains leak though i think
Head.spawn
Junior Member
To the developers, very sorry, quite a shameit came to this and i applaud your dedication either way, you guys rock.
so fucking upset about this... I played one of the first betas of this game ever way back in the day and adored everything about it. It was set to be the greatest GBC Pokemon hack ever imo.
KBM must be absolutely fucking crushed. </3
This sets a dangerous precedent in terms of Nintendo ROM hacking as well... which is fucking terrible because there are some absolutely phenomenal ROM hacks of many games available that I've played over the years.
KBM must be absolutely fucking crushed. </3
This sets a dangerous precedent in terms of Nintendo ROM hacking as well... which is fucking terrible because there are some absolutely phenomenal ROM hacks of many games available that I've played over the years.
Valkerionseven
Member
Man I hate this, Pokemon rom hacks are really fun games to tide over between releases or give a slightly different taste of pokemon compared to what you usually get. I personally like the ones that slightly change things, but keep the base game, like swap pokemon found and what not. But eh... I guess Nintendo is getting more and more serious about keeping their IP under lock and key.
Do ROM hacks differ, from a legal standpoint, from cheat codes?
Nintendo went after GameGenie way back and lost because the judge determined that it was not a derivative work(because it could not exist separate from Nintendo's console/games) and that it fell under fair use because consumers should be allowed to do whatever they please with their own hardware/software.
On those two points I'd say the "derivative work" point is the hardest to deny in this case, but by the same reasoning as cheating, ROM hacks do not function apart from the original game.
Nintendo went after GameGenie way back and lost because the judge determined that it was not a derivative work(because it could not exist separate from Nintendo's console/games) and that it fell under fair use because consumers should be allowed to do whatever they please with their own hardware/software.
On those two points I'd say the "derivative work" point is the hardest to deny in this case, but by the same reasoning as cheating, ROM hacks do not function apart from the original game.
Lucky Seven
Banned
I see it got leaked, so thankfully justice was served.
Slamtastic
Member
literal christmas miracle
Geraldo_Ray
Member
Well that was quick.
Head.spawn
Junior Member
DR2K
Banned
lmao what? I doubt anyone but the dev team had the final build so I'm assuming it's the TPP-stream version?
NipplesAndToes23
Member
Pokemon Blaze Black 2 is so much better than the regular version.
Thanks for the answer guys, I got it.
So if tomorrow one of the main activity of Nintendo is making tshirts, then the "fan made tshirts" would be most likely removed of the market, right?
What I feel a little unfair is that those guys who make fan games are not making money from it, or at least not directly, so it's a bit exagerated to kill those projects. It's not like it would kill, for exemple, the Pokémon Sun & Moon sales anyway. That's my opinion at least.
Even if you aren't making money, you are getting lots of press due to using a known IP rather than your own, which might translate to making money from it in more indirect ways (donations, patreon support, job offers, whatever).
If you're willing to spend years working on a game that will be using an IP you don't even own, then your best bet is to do a stealth release so that it actually manages to get out there rather than publishing trailers and such. The game might avoid detection at first, but the chances of that happening go lower and lower as you call more attention to it.
Announcing your 3D Chrono Trigger remake, Sonic game made in Unity and even ROM hacks before getting the actual release out there means you might lose your chance to have the project actually see the light of day, which isn't a good idea since that risk far outweights the gains you could get from promoting the game prior to launch.
RadioJoNES64
Banned
Tee hee it's out and about.
Zomba13
Member
So is the leaked version the final version (or at least what was going to be released) or is it the TPP version? I know very little of this only that they let the TPP channel stream a version but I don't know if that version was final/the one they will release or if it was one with some bugs/unfinished.
Reading through the 4chan thread, it seems to be the latter. So there'd be some left out content, a few areas not fully fleshed-out (KBM commented on this being something he wanted to fix during the TPP stream), and a handful of bugs. I think they ironed out most of the major gamebreaking stuff during the stream session so there shouldn't be anything too bad.
Maximus.
Member
Lots of closed minded people here crying about their fan made games or rom hacks being shut down. Nintendo is in the right, like any company that has its IP or content stolen and used by someone who is not permitted to use it.
Want to play Pokemon? Pay Nintendo to play the games it actually makes.
Want to play Pokemon? Pay Nintendo to play the games it actually makes.
The build seems to indicate it's newer than the TPP version, but we'll probably never know if it's the final.
jadedm17
Member
Consumers getting confused and angry at Nintendo could happen, and getting one phonecall wasting time or one lost sale because you can play a free Pokemon game hurts Nintendo. Theyre protecting their property. I dont understand attacking Lets Plays on Youtube but this i get.
I know its not easy creating your own world but if they did they could monetize it at least. Nintendo has made their stance clear. Theyre protecting their bottom-line, and in this instance makes it complete sense.
Harsh but quoting for emphasis.
What is this truth you speak of...!!!!!
Aerobatics
Neo Member
A fucking rom hack? Really Nintendo?
MaximumSpider
Banned
/vp/ strikes again
RadioJoNES64
Banned
Guys, this hack is like really really really good. I'm glad the internet saved this one.
No that's totally different because
mmmm like you're paying marvel to use their image of their character/ip?
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
Too bad for Nintendo Mario doesn't actually ever do his job as a plumber, because they got a leaky pipe to fix
Don't fix it.
Yeah, I really hadn't heard of it until this C&D but now that I've got a chance to test it out, I didn't realize how much I wanted a retro styled Pokemon game with up to date mechanics. It's a lot of fun.
I send a $50 check to Nintendo and Tom Cruise every year, I'm sure he does something similar.
mmmm like you're paying marvel to use their image of their character/ip?
While I don't disagree, it feels like they've gotten especially aggressive about this over the last year or so.
I'm sure it's been said; but if you're going to straight up lift a corporation's IP to make a game, do it quietly. Make it silently, release it and THEN wait for the C&D. Everyone who is surprised or hurt by Nintendo asking for this to stop, I mean, c'mon. What do you expect.
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Dude... That's pretty fucked. I mean, I know I basically just said "they shouldn't be surprised" but this is taking it to a new level.
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Dude... That's pretty fucked. I mean, I know I basically just said "they shouldn't be surprised" but this is taking it to a new level.
If they used Nintendo's assets than I don't blame Nintendo for stopping them. There's a murky line between fan adoration and leeching and I can't really fault Nintendo for being aggressive about this. It's something I worry about (and have friends who have had experiences dealing with this sort of thing). I always err to the side of the original creators though so I'm biased