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PoliGAF 2012 |OT3| If it's not a legitimate OT the mods have ways to shut it down
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CharlieDigital
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"Intellectual Republicans" are more or less the folks who are behind Obama; already here.
Liberal GAF are the ones hating on Obama for no public option, not taking a stronger stand on gay marriage earlier on, not making cap & trade a priority, not going for a bigger stimulus, not pouring even more money into NASA, etc.
A large part of Obama's stimulus was in the form of tax cuts. He escalated the war in Afghanistan. He renewed the Patriot Act. He has supported consistent use of drone strikes, even authorizing the killing of an American citizen. Oil production has increased under his watch. Obama is pretty far from the Left.
worldrunover
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Serious question:
Should Obama be responsible for everything embassies say? I know that he appoints ambassadors but I don't know how much authority he has over what they release. No opinion on it either way, just curious.
Should Obama be responsible for everything embassies say? I know that he appoints ambassadors but I don't know how much authority he has over what they release. No opinion on it either way, just curious.
You joke, but I'm pretty confident this will happen after this election. Maybe not with that subtitle. (But then again, maybe with that EXACT subtitle.)
In the larger sense, Obama's responsible for everything the State Department does, but when embassies do things without consulting with the State Department (as that statement was), then Obama can only be responsible in the most tenuous sense. I mean if they did something completely crazy you could question his judgement in appointing them, but I don't think that's the case here.
Dominican Power
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I can get a link to Romney's gaffe?
I still don't understand the point of that first sentence.
worldrunover
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Yeah it's the trifecta: misuse of SNL joke + blatant sexual innuendo + misinterpretation of Teddy Roosevelt = VINTAGE PALIN.
Sarah Palin is very resentful of the liberal media for mocking her all the time for not understanding basic things like where Russia is.*
* Yeah, I know she didn't say it.
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
adamsappel
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I assume you weren't around in 1979? When every newscast on the air talks about "Day 287 of the attack on the Libyan Embassy," then this might be comparable to the Iran hostage situation.
Dominican Power
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Debacle
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
The video is in this article:
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politic...cks_on_the_us_consulate_in_benghazi_and_cair/
She apparently seems to think the comments about her and russia were an attack on her foreign policy experience.
It somehow makes it worse now.
Yep as one might say "A test of presidential qualifications", he isn't in the republican primary anymore, he is one stone throw away from being the president depending on election results. The stuff you say now until election under developing issues is a time for you to show 'how' you might run the White house. His response was petty, politically motivated without a shred of dignity and no one wants to see the president act like that during an international tragedy, he failed an important test just like McCain did but I would say this mess up is closer to the "Suspending my Campaign" as McCains Lehman flub was just out of touch, this was a political stunt that backfired horribly.
...and with more than 150 days to go...
RustyNails
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In this particular case, WH disavowed the embassy's initial statement which was let out to calm the raging protesters and more importantly maintain self-preservation. But yes, embassies are the extensions of the State department, which is the executive branch of federal government.
Dr. Pangloss
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If anything the timing of this is really bad for Romney. With the election in two months, do you want the race focused on the economy or foreign policy? Also this allows the media to explore new territory. They have been writing and talking about the economic policies of both campaigns for months now. Starting this week and the next several weeks there will be a focus on the foreign policy aspects of the race, and winning on that playing field will be extremely hard for Romney. This is evident from just what happen today.
He should become less in attack mode if he wants to win. More ambiguous. Instead of diving head first into the mud of politics, he should just ask questions like, "Is Obama doing the right thing?" The media can role with that and give their usual pro and con analysis. But this hard right stance puts Romney more in the spot light than the President. Now he becomes part of the questions instead of the administration itself.
He should become less in attack mode if he wants to win. More ambiguous. Instead of diving head first into the mud of politics, he should just ask questions like, "Is Obama doing the right thing?" The media can role with that and give their usual pro and con analysis. But this hard right stance puts Romney more in the spot light than the President. Now he becomes part of the questions instead of the administration itself.
RustyNails
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Taxes. Just wait till Larry Flynt unleashes them.
TacticalFox88
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Extremely hard? Virtually impossible. Obama getting OBL pretty much sealed any argument the GOP had against him in Foreign Policy.
Beautiful, beautiful, that was an adult talking and not some rich prick who lets his friends hold a guy down so he can cut his hair for being different. Mitt you as*hole
Oh god I had completely forgotten about that, I hope he delivers.
speculawyer
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Yeah . . . it was kind of dumb to even try to make foreign policy an issue to discuss, he should have issued condolences and moved on to talk about the economy somehow. Romney is going to lose in the foreign policy territory no matter what. But then to fuck it up made it hilarious.
The only way Romney could have won was to make this a referendum on Obama & unemployment. Yet this campaign has been about birth control, abortion, Mitt's taxes, rape, and now some news cycles on foreign policy. Good luck with that.
Baraka in the White House
2-Terms of Kombat
I'm gonna give PD the credit for this. He felt something in the air.
RustyNails
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From the US embassy attack thread
Credit:kurtofan
Credit:kurtofan
AlteredBeast
Fork 'em, Sparky!
Exactly.
I wish I were running that campaign, I really do. Obama should not be winning with 8%+ unemployment and terrible deficits (hot button topics)
Instant win. Instead, Romney and his staff were convinced that the Tea Party spoke for the party and the country.
PhoenixDark
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Great comment. No mud slinging, and while it's certainly condescending I think that's the point here - a president should know better than what Romney did today, and the fact that he didn't know better should tell everyone he's not ready to be president.
Peggy Noonan goes at Mittens again
http://live.wsj.com/video/noonan-ro...EA.html#!B8B3D9D4-3880-4382-8FEB-917038CCC7EA
http://live.wsj.com/video/noonan-ro...EA.html#!B8B3D9D4-3880-4382-8FEB-917038CCC7EA
I heard before I left for work they carried his body to the hospital hoping to revive him, the people really are saddened by his loss.
They friggen loved the guy, look at all the apology marches going on. You don't do that for some guy you're indifferent about.
Byakuya769
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Yes. His tax plan will be revealed, it will end the deficit as we know it. His plan for the economy will be made clear, it will set the stage for a 500 year expansion! And his leadership will take form, his beguiling smirk will bring peace to the entire world!!
You're biased if you think different.
RustyNails
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Yeah which is another reason we needed a level headed response from our side. Give the people of Libya a chance to show these actions do not represent them. After the political dust settled from Romney's spat I actually got a chance to really look at the meat of the incident and it seemed pretty clear most of the people near by, even the protestors, were horrified at what ended up transpiring and were desperately trying to change the situation almost immediately after the transgression happened. Instead of it being a test for America its a larger test of Libya, freak terrorist activities can and will happen, you can attempt to mitigate the possibility with higher security but the greatest weapon you can use against terrorists is the general good will of the people around the incident, don't spit in their face before they have a chance to prove themselves with talk of war or violent rhetoric against the assailant like I started seeing popping up almost immediately after word got out.
Romney isn't President - that's not his job right now. His job was to offer condolences (check) and contrast with what he would have done if he thought the White House wasn't handling things properly. Even the White House has pulled back on the initial statement that was released.
Well he certainly offered a staggering amount of contrast....and in the process showed why he would be horrible as President
Mercury Fred
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lol
Shadow Hog
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So a conservative-leaning coworker in cubicle immediately next to me is ranting to somebody on the phone about the whole Libya thing. Nothing especially condemning of either side, politically, but things like "security separated out them and then basically gave them up to the mob" (I'm assuming "them" means the victims), and then directly comparing the situation of how we helped the Ayatollah into power in Iran to the situations in Libya/Egypt - stuff like "if you're going to oust somebody, make sure whoever goes into power isn't, y'know, worse".
I'm not entirely sure how legit these are - the security giving up the victims to the crowd sounds seriously far-fetched.
(Would this be better in the other topic specifically for this subject...?)
I'm not entirely sure how legit these are - the security giving up the victims to the crowd sounds seriously far-fetched.
(Would this be better in the other topic specifically for this subject...?)
Well the Ambassador died of smoke inhalation, so he was not giving up to anyone
NihonTiger90
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Probably. And to answer your question, there seems to be some rumblings that some security forces pointed out where they were.
Funny, cause when he was asked a hypothetical question abut having the facts and how he would react and he said "I'm not gonna answer hypotheticals".
NullPointer
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I have yet to hear much of this, at all, when it comes to Romney.
We could be having conversations about actual contrasts and policy differences and how Romney's ideas would have been more successful when it comes to issues X, Y, and Z. But the man doesn't offer any specifics whatsoever.
I'd like to judge the man on the merits of his ideas, but he's chosen not to let me.
PhoenixDark
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From the US embassy attack thread
Credit:kurtofan
will be saving this for the next time a GAFer argues moderate Muslims "never" speak out against violence
Manmademan
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The portrayal of Romney in the inevitable Obama movie will not be kind. This dude is a mess. My hardcore pro life republican voting acquaintance came out on facebook against Romney this morning because she's convinced he's "dangerously incompetent" now.
They're argue that these aren't moderate Muslims.
You know that's how it will play out.
BotoxAgent
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haha, whatever makes you sleep better at night man
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