"Well, being the American president means representing your country abroad and being a responsible guest, not denigrating a country that's hosting a major event like the Olympics. Maybe you should go on Dave's show if you wanna make jokes about how they're doing."
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PoliGAF 2012 |OT4|: Your job is not to worry about 47% of these posts.
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"Well, being the American president means representing your country abroad and being a responsible guest, not denigrating a country that's hosting a major event like the Olympics. Maybe you should go on Dave's show if you wanna make jokes about how they're doing."
ryutaro's mama
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Touche.
Officerrob
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Which is what is so shocking about the PPP Wisconsin poll, because all Romney did was gain traction with his own party. Where were these people before? Did they really not care enough for Romney that they were going to pass-up the chance to vote against Obama? Just weird.
Half and half
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The thing that worries me is Romney having the opportunity to tell the country (I'm making this part up) about the time that they took over some company that was about to under and saved 100s of jobs. Everyday people like you and me, single mothers, grand parents now had pay checks, better health insurance, day-care allowances, etc b/c of Romney's dedication to the workers.
Cherry on top would be tying that in with how more people working equals more taxes paid.
September was really, really bad for the GOP in general. Romney didn't shine at his own convention, the 47% remarks came out and it didn't seem like a day went by where either Romney or somebody else in his campaign didn't shit the bed. I wouldn't have been excited either. This was the first time in a loooong time that Mitt actually looked like a plausible candidate.
BTW Obama is still at 80% on the gambling sites. When he starts tanking there, it's panic time 
http://sports.ladbrokes.com/en-gb/p...election/2012-us-presidential-race-e212304268
http://www.paddypower.com/bet/politics/other-politics/us-politics?ev_oc_grp_ids=482041
http://sports.ladbrokes.com/en-gb/p...election/2012-us-presidential-race-e212304268
http://www.paddypower.com/bet/politics/other-politics/us-politics?ev_oc_grp_ids=482041
ryutaro's mama
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BTW Obama is still at 80% on the gambling sites. When he starts tanking there, it's panic time
2011 Heat were overwhelming favorites in Vegas.
Vegas odds means shit.
They should have won though lol
PS: Heat were the favorites this past year as well
PhoenixDark
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Obama's debate performance did remind me of LeBron's 2011 finals performance
ryutaro's mama
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You just proved my point.
Hilary should have beaten Obama...
Should means shit.
Actual execution matters.
More gambling stuff
http://www.liveoddsandscores.com/pr...romney-to-win-us-election-obama-310-favourite
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics...l-odds-markets-say-about-the-election/262332/
I obviously believe in Oddsmakers/Bettors way more than pollsters
http://www.liveoddsandscores.com/pr...romney-to-win-us-election-obama-310-favourite
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics...l-odds-markets-say-about-the-election/262332/
I obviously believe in Oddsmakers/Bettors way more than pollsters
I don't follow basketball, educate me.
PhoenixDark
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http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2...unce-wisconsin-poll-obama-economy.php?ref=fpa
But debates don't matter
ryutaro's mama
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On the biggest stage, in front of the largest audience, in the championship series, LeBron mentally checked out when his team needed him most and his team (an overwhelming favorite going in) was upset and they lost in 6 games, 4-2.
Byakuya769
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And they got to the finals. They flamed out, but unless Vegas had them at 100%, that's not some huge aggregate failure of the odds-makers. Same for Obama's 80% chance of winning, a 20% chance of losing is not zero, but it definitely isn't panic worthy.
Don't become the folks who always have to say, "fucking weatherman said there was a 30% chance of rain, and now it's storming. Idiot!"
I wonder what the oddmakers had at the time...
NathanMcMahon
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meh
Thankfully there are two left.
But yeah all of this shit could have been prevented so easily.
After watching video of Plouffe and some other peeps from post-debate that night, I really do think they wanted Obama to just study Mitt for some reason. They are probably having nervous breakdowns behind closed doors that make me look like I'm totally calm. At least I hope they are and they are coming up with a masterful comeback, because they can't settle for less.
Shame, really. Before Obama just kinda had to tow the line, now he's gotta act like his back is up against the wall like it's 2007-2008 in the primary debacle.
They do, I think it's foolish to dismiss them completely. Especially with such a large audience.
More than anything I think it's the uber bad performance that makes people unable to treat it like most others. And it also fired up GOPers. So it's demoralizing one side a bit (not like crazy it seems, but a bit) and firing up the other side which beforehand was basically bracing for the worst.
So yeah.
WI poll looks closer to being a dead heat, so at that point it's gonna come down to enthusiasm/turnout. Obama has to get his base pumped up again, Clint Eastwood and 47% remarks won't be around to help this time.
More than anything I think it's the uber bad performance that makes people unable to treat it like most others. And it also fired up GOPers. So it's demoralizing one side a bit (not like crazy it seems, but a bit) and firing up the other side which beforehand was basically bracing for the worst.
So yeah.
WI poll looks closer to being a dead heat, so at that point it's gonna come down to enthusiasm/turnout. Obama has to get his base pumped up again, Clint Eastwood and 47% remarks won't be around to help this time.
The Librarian
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Diablos panicking over Obama team not panicking enough.
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We have to through some sort of looking glass here.
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We have to through some sort of looking glass here.
ryutaro's mama
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Dude...Kerry eviscerated Bush in Game 1.
Ripped him a new one.
He did not win the Presidency.
It's not the audience. It's the traditional and social media beasts amplifying whatever happened. I personally didn't think Obama was that bad if you look at substance as well but a few hours later, it was the "worst debate performance of all time"!
If Youtube and Twitter were around in 2004, who knows what might have happened
Byakuya769
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It amazes me how in discussing the debates people will practically use the exact same words: "He looked tired and as if he didn't want to be there." Granted, there is some truth to that depiction, but it is odd to see it taken as such gospel and repeated ad nauseam. Ah well, maybe the expectations game will be in Obama's favor.
WI is nearly a dead heat on the economy and Mitt made some gains:
Could be a closer election that we are anticipating, but it's nice to see Obama maintaining the lead.
Could be a closer election that we are anticipating, but it's nice to see Obama maintaining the lead.
Yeah it's pretty universal. He just straight up took himself completely out of the game.
cartoon_soldier
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Questions that were in the townhall debate in 2008:
Not many social issues, but then we were in a financial crisis. Let us see what questions are selected this time.
Not many social issues, but then we were in a financial crisis. Let us see what questions are selected this time.
No. The point is that people are just repeating what they heard somewhere. He was passive but I don't believe he "didn't want to be there". My biggest issue with his performance was not responding to the $718 million lie that Mitt kept repeating. Besides that, I thought he was pretty strong on Healthcare. Then again, I wasn't watching only for style and aggressiveness..
Souldriver
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This is actually not what I took away from the debate. Then again, I watched it on the internet so I didn't see the split-screens where Obama was constantly facing down when not speaking.
He just seemed dead-set on trying to keep the game "clean" and make his case rather than attacking Romney. He got in trouble because Romney suddenly had similar ideas as him so the contrast wasn't there. And off course, in regards to style: Romney killed it, while Obama uh... he...well, let me be clear... he... stuttered... along.. as he..often... does.
But I can't echo the "tired" and "didn't wanna be there" criticism.
And allowing Mitt to get away with murder on the one issue that should have been a freebie: Obamacare. Remember, Mitt was supposed to have zero credibility with voters the moment Obama passed that if he were to get the nom, or that's what most people thought at least.
Mitt instead owned it.
I'm sure they've focus-grouped it and Obamacare as a package doesn't do well. I think he was trying to explain it without doing a full-throated defense. I'm not sure that can be done effectively
From that I found this pretty funny:
This is essentially how all conservatives debate. They spew so much bullshit and logical fallacies it's impossible to refute it all, so they "win" a lot of the time. I've run into this with Republican friends and family and it's infuriating.
Souldriver
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I think the polls taken after the debate showed that Obama handled the healthcare subject better than Romney.
Yup. Folks say he wasn't looking at Romney but he was trying to ignore Romney and appeal to the viewers at home. Just bad strategy when your opponent is being so aggressive while spewing falsehoods all over the place. Still not worthy of the reviews he's been getting IMO. Especially when Romney lied so much
Well, we can talk about how one perceives the debate as we have for what feels like eons now, but it all comes down to style over substance unless you happen to be politically savvy (even if only by a minimal amount).
Mitt won, Obama lost in what was probably his worst political performance I've seen to date. Now Obama has to make a comeback or all bets are off. We can go through all the details about him looking down, looking tired, not caring, etc. But really it just boils down to that. Outside of more polling there's not much else left to say.
You've gotta admit, this time last week we were all feeling a bit better about things overall in this race.
Mitt won, Obama lost in what was probably his worst political performance I've seen to date. Now Obama has to make a comeback or all bets are off. We can go through all the details about him looking down, looking tired, not caring, etc. But really it just boils down to that. Outside of more polling there's not much else left to say.
You've gotta admit, this time last week we were all feeling a bit better about things overall in this race.
The debate didn't help Romney enough even if we had the election tomorrow.
Now that Romney has sort of thrown his platform under the bus on national TV in front of tens of millions, Obama has time to create an argument to expose it. Ads can show clips of Romney contradicting himself. By election day you have polls return prior to the debate, unless the media is completely worthless.
Now that Romney has sort of thrown his platform under the bus on national TV in front of tens of millions, Obama has time to create an argument to expose it. Ads can show clips of Romney contradicting himself. By election day you have polls return prior to the debate, unless the media is completely worthless.
You might want to sit down for this..
The msm wants a close race. Period.
But I hear you, if team Obama gets their shit together with ads again, they can make some compelling stuff. They certainly are looking good with all the money they just brought in.
WTF you were never feeling better, you have always thought the world will end and Obama will lose.
The rest of us know its alright
Lol, I feel better now about Obama's chances now than before the debate. No one could listen to all of Romney's bullshit, and all everyone has been talking about is big bird. So even though Romney "won" in terms of looking like he won(negligible + polls in his favor, 1-2 pts) he still lost overall in his message. He is now the candidate looking to destroy Big Bird because 0.012 of the budget is such a burden on the federal government that it has to be eliminated because the military needs more money and the rich need more tax breaks. Yeah, Romney sure did lose overall.
The Librarian
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Yet you're still churning out panic-induced posts. It's quite amazing.
As to your last point, I actually feel better about Obama's chances than before the debate. UE below 8%, Obama approval higher than disapproval, stronger jobs growth than expected in July and August (wouldn't be surprised to see September revised upward), running even and sometimes better than Romney on better equipped to handle the economy, and there's less than a month left.
ryutaro's mama
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You say that as though either of those has been friendly allies to the GOP as of late.
It's panic mixed with disappointment. More than anything, as I calm down a bit, I'm just mad at the President. Jon Stewart hit the nail on the head. All year Obama says he can't do this without us, he needs us, give us money, join the fight, volunteer, give us more money, I can't do this alone. So we do, and that's how he represents us after a year plus of him wanting us to join the cause? It's sobering, to say the least.
The UE numbers should give Obama a shot in the arm, hopefully Biden can pull something out (I happen to think he will, and for quite some time now I've just had a gut feeling he's gonna have a blast).
They bought the time already
We nothing,I feel the same as I did before the debates.
Romney lost 2 major arguments on Friday, its actually got worst for him.
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