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PoliGAF 2012 |OT4|: Your job is not to worry about 47% of these posts.
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Honest question: Do you read your posts before you hit "submit"? Maybe you should start doing that because what I – and I suspect many others – get from your posts is the opposite of what you're saying. It's all panicked rambling with little to no "disappointment" coming through.
Really?!
I am so pleased to hear this. Mock me if you will, but I am a big fan of the political infomercial. Perot used this kind of airtime to make big progress in the polls (I loved his charts at the time as well).
I hope Romney doesn't follow in-kind. And I hope Bill Clinton shows-up for a segment.. he seems to be Obama's best salesman, honestly.
I just wish liberals pulled the page out of the conservative playbook and didn't beat up on Obama after the debate so much. Directly afterwards they should have emphasized just how astoundingly much Romney lied his ass off in that debate. That should have been the point they drove home, not that Obama failed us. Muddy up the water a bit, you know. Do what the republicans likely would have done. If they did that, then the media would have been especially muddy, since they just like to report crap as a he said she said sort of thing. If both he and she are saying Obama sucked it up of course that's going to be what they go with. If he said Obama sucked and she said Mitt Romney lied his ass off, guess what happens then?
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Headline on the front page of Saturday's paper here in Louisville:
"Jobless rate debated. Democrats laud dip to 7.8%, others claim number is cooked"
smh
"Jobless rate debated. Democrats laud dip to 7.8%, others claim number is cooked"
smh
We live in a post-truth society.
electricpirate
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We'll see if I'm right, but I kind of see that debate as a Pyrrhic victory for Romney. While he won it, he made himself vunlerable to claims of flip flopping, and made his positions even more muddled/confused.
If he doesn't actually go and change his policies (which would be an interesting set of issues unto itself), the obama campaign needs to go and just read direct quotes from Mitt Romney's webpage to show how ridiculous his run to the center is. Flip flopping/Sincerity has been a vulnerability for him, one that he's largely gotten away from running as a super conservative.
Don't get me wrong, Obama did poorly in that debate (especially upon a second viewing), but Romney's may have set himself up for more pain. Sometimes it seems like Obama's political life is blessed, and as he screws up his opponents seem to fall over themselves and offer him oppurtunities on a silver platter. The Bush tax cuts/Fiscal cliff stuff is a perfect example of this.
Whether this is right will depend on the media spin of the debate, which was decidely horseracy, but with a few examples poking Mitt for his dishonesty at the debate. Another part we'll see in the polls, immediate polling will be really strong for Mitt, but it will trail off quickly if my theory is correct.
GAF, don't let me be a TV pundit, someone call me out if I'm wrong here
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If he doesn't actually go and change his policies (which would be an interesting set of issues unto itself), the obama campaign needs to go and just read direct quotes from Mitt Romney's webpage to show how ridiculous his run to the center is. Flip flopping/Sincerity has been a vulnerability for him, one that he's largely gotten away from running as a super conservative.
Don't get me wrong, Obama did poorly in that debate (especially upon a second viewing), but Romney's may have set himself up for more pain. Sometimes it seems like Obama's political life is blessed, and as he screws up his opponents seem to fall over themselves and offer him oppurtunities on a silver platter. The Bush tax cuts/Fiscal cliff stuff is a perfect example of this.
Whether this is right will depend on the media spin of the debate, which was decidely horseracy, but with a few examples poking Mitt for his dishonesty at the debate. Another part we'll see in the polls, immediate polling will be really strong for Mitt, but it will trail off quickly if my theory is correct.
GAF, don't let me be a TV pundit, someone call me out if I'm wrong here
.I cannot wait for Murdoch to retire. He has caused so much harm to rational thought in general society, and it impacts everything. Politics, Science, and facts are now belief systems.
I think this is the biggest issue that I had with after the debates. Liberals should of come in defending obama instead of pouring on the criticisms on top of republicans. People want to know why conservatives/republicans have less messaging problems than liberals? This is one of the reasons, they buy into their own bullshit and don't admit when they failed.
lol at this, there is no debate in the jobless numbers. There is just sore losers who want to see the economy fail, and the winners real americans.
You know, one thing that baffles me...Conservatives could have easily taken these job numbers and championed them as proof that the Bush tax cuts are working, or that having a Republican-controlled House has led to economic growth. But no, they went full Glenn Beck and claimed conspiracy. Kinda dumb.
electricpirate
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See, while I feel like a healthy skepticism of our government is generally a good thing, the fact that we have institutions like the BLS, generally considered above the fray is really important to our development and ensuring our system works.
This is not healthy skepticism though, this is naked political partisanship masquerading as healthy skepticism, which has a tendency to undermine confidence in important institutions.
Hobbestetrician
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#FreeBigBird
This is how you know that paper is garbage. Anyone that runs with the "numbers are cooked" story without thoroughly debunking it is garbage, especially if it's in the headline. I mean shit, even CNN did their job on that front.
Okay.. has anyone heard about this? Is this really a thing that's gonna happen!?
http://millionmuppetmarch.com/
http://millionmuppetmarch.com/
Mother of god I hope it does...
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
His retirement isn't going to change anything.
You really think things will go back to the way they were? LOL. Would be nice, huh.
Officerrob
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It was all over Twitter on Thursday during the height of the Big Bird thing. With that said, who knows if it really happens
The problem is that this is the process that turned the Republican Party into the Republican Party.
I think the religious fundamentalism is what ingrained them with a tenuous relationship with the truth.
Equal. Mitt for lying. Obama for being a pussy
Way too nuanced. The president is held accountable for the economy.
And anyway they've been calling it the Obama economy for a long, long time now. Their avowed strategy has been to sabotage policy-making as much as possible in order to get Obama unelected. It'd be awfully hard to turn around and take credit for good things happening.
Good way of putting it. There are advantages to having people on your own side willing to say when you fuck up. Feedback is useful.
speculawyer
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From that I found this pretty funny:
Romney has been able to raise a new question that is hard to deal with:
When Romney espouses a different policy view is it a lie or just a flip-flop?
How can he be lying about his position when he changes them in quantum time?
speculawyer
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So the system we've used for decades is suddenly in question because conspiracy theorists don't like the results.
I'm really getting fucking tired of conspiracy theories with no evidence backing them being accepted as a possible truth.
It's a pivot. Just an innocent little pivot.
This wouldn't be hard if the media had previously understood the difference between lying and flip-flopping, even though they often occur together. Changing one's position is flip-flopping. If in the course of flip-flopping, a politician pretends that no flip-flop is occurring, then s/he is lying about past positions.
When Romney says "my plan is..." and then comes out with something completely new, that's both flip-flopping and lying, given that that use of "is" strongly implies "and always has been". In general I think the burden is on politicians to be clear about it when they change a position that they articulated less than a month ago.
cartoon_soldier
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It doesn't matter if the Media doesn't care.
Half and half
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Yeah, best thing to do is to take it on the chin and move on.
Particle Physicist
between a quark and a baryon
Maybe you should wait a week to see if the bounce remains before making that claim.
NullPointer
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Sorry, but its completely disingenuous to defend a bad showing. Obama fucked up, and he's been called out for it - as he rightfully deserved. And there's nothing to stop people from giving their honest impression and heartfelt criticism while also exposing Romney's game.
There's too much partisan disinformation, truth stretching and flat out bullshit swirling around as it is, nobody should ever feel compelled to add to it.
http://themonkeycage.org/blog/2012/10/06/a-possible-electoral-map/
Here's a 332 EV prediction for Obama using a model that's been pretty accurate
Here's a 332 EV prediction for Obama using a model that's been pretty accurate
Particle Physicist
between a quark and a baryon
Obama was looking down because he was taking notes during the debate. Which is something most candidates do. The problem here was that everything Romney said in the debate was completely new to everyone, including Obama, and Romney did not have to take any notes because he was not responding to anything Obama actually said, rather, he had pre-made responses to general topics already prepared. The contrast made Obama look worse.
PantherLotus
Professional Schmuck
to be fair Obama had to debate against three different Romney's
you'd be writing shit down too
you'd be writing shit down too
It's not happening. Obama has very little chance of losing. Gotta make sure you vote though lol.
Vicetrailia
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As a Librul I don't agree that we should have defended Obama this way. Call it what it is on every side. I still mind the guy, and Romney still got bashed. The truth speaks.
I just want this month to be over with, it's generally going to be unbearable until I know for sure he hits 270.
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_ROMNEY?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT
Romney's camp seems to think so:
BTW, I really don't think I should have to say this, but thinking an economic recovery is a bad thing for Americans - regardless of your political stripe - should be cause for introspection into what your values are.
cartoon_soldier
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This is American Politics. The only value that matters is whether you win or not.
If lying lets you win, Media will write articles about a successful campaign strategy of reinventing yourself to win over voters. They won't call you a liar.
Hahaha thats a damn shame.
NullPointer
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