My old man is the same way, he knows exactly what kind of shit we'd be in if it weren't for the law but he doesn't care...I just don't get it, I never will
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My old man is the same way, he knows exactly what kind of shit we'd be in if it weren't for the law but he doesn't care...I just don't get it, I never will
Officerrob
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My wife's mother is the same way. I tried to rationalize with her and explain what might happen to her daughter without Obamacare, but she basically only votes on social issues.
Nope. Fox News said it was bad. Hyper religious. God will cure her. God has a way. God works in mysterious ways.
It frustrates me so much. And scares me. other than her and ONE other friend I have I can't vent to anyone around here or even have a civil conversation or debate.
What the fuck?
How can people be so stupid? Do they not care about their own daughter's health? She's going through some serious stuff.
What is it with the a good portion of the working class voting bloc and, I swear, having no self-respect? Are they mentally deranged? Abused? Is this what the system has done to them? That is, growing up in a country that says to suck it up if you get sick, no matter what? Did it ruin their ability to think critically? I just don't understand why universal healthcare is so taboo here.
I have no idea, but when my dad goes on about how it needs to be repealed I just need to leave the room before I punch him in the face.
Frank the Great
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fuck i just want this election to be over
I am totally objective in the classroom and politics is nothing that I do (or want) to cover but my students leave my class knowing how to research an issue and form an opinion on it - a skill that so many people around here can't/won't do.
I have caught flack for it too - that pushback against critical thinking in Texas? It is real. And it is scary. The idea that I can't be more open with where I am and what I see is crap. Really, I have probably already said to much.
Thanks guys for listening to me for a few minutes. I have to pretend to love Mitt again on Monday. Thanks for letting me be me for a bit.
I am totally objective in the classroom and politics is nothing that I do (or want) to cover but my students leave my class knowing how to research an issue and form an opinion on it - a skill that so many people around here can't/won't do.
I have caught flack for it too - that pushback against critical thinking in Texas? It is real. And it is scary. The idea that I can't be more open with where I am and what I see is crap. Really, I have probably already said to much.
Thanks guys for listening to me for a few minutes. I have to pretend to love Mitt again on Monday. Thanks for letting me be me for a bit.
Hey man, you're welcome here any time. Sounds like you're in a fucked situation dude, just gotta teach the best you can and hope maybe you can make it better.
My parents are more on the side of private health insurance, however, they don't think Obamacare is awful. They are of the opinion that he should have focused more on jobs and if that meant it didn't pass, oh well, but they don't hate it. I'm just glad they aren't a part of the "God will fix it, repeal Obamacare" crowd.
There is something really awkward about the older generations in this country and clinging to private heath plans. I don't know what it is.
Wait, what?I am totally objective in the classroom and politics is nothing that I do (or want) to cover but my students leave my class knowing how to research an issue and form an opinion on it - a skill that so many people around here can't/won't do.
I have caught flack for it too - that pushback against critical thinking in Texas? It is real. And it is scary. The idea that I can't be more open with where I am and what I see is crap. Really, I have probably already said to much.
Thanks guys for listening to me for a few minutes. I have to pretend to love Mitt again on Monday. Thanks for letting me be me for a bit.
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Yeah, I caught some CNN the day of the VP debate and I was a bit flabbergasted at what I was watching. I can't believe they have been pushed so far right compared to where they were just 4 years ago.
I believe conservatives tend to watch more television networks and liberals tend to use the internet for their news rather than the networks.
If the place is as conservative as he says, then the parents might complain more than they usually do if he's outspoken. Indoctrinating the kids and whatnot, it's bad enough that he's teaching them critical thinking after all.
SteveWinwood
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How many hot college chicks help out with political campaigns?
I might volunteer some of my time to one...
Those statements aren't necessarily related.
I might volunteer some of my time to one...
Those statements aren't necessarily related.
Bingo bango. My curriculum already covers evolution, big bang theory, and climate change. I catch enough heat from parents and people I work with. I don't need to give them any other ammunition haha.
He's in Texas so yes.
Are the major cities in Texas (Dallas, Houston etc) very conservative compared to rest of Texas?
Shit son, sounds like you have a target on your back as it is with a curriculum like that. Doing your job in a place like that, especially doing it properly deserves mad props. Out there changing the world, hopefully for the better. Good luck fighting the good fight, feels good knowing there are people like you out there in those parts of the country.
Actually NC, let me clarify that - we are getting a similar push similar to the law that was introduced in Texas. That was what I meant. I'm sorry.
cartoon_soldier
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SNL was pretty weak, aside from a decent moment here and there.
Also, I've always liked Chris Hayes, but I've started to like him even more. He's one of those people that can tear apart stupid arguments, but in an extremely digestible to the public type way.
Also, I've always liked Chris Hayes, but I've started to like him even more. He's one of those people that can tear apart stupid arguments, but in an extremely digestible to the public type way.
Aaron Strife
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Reminds me of that dipshit in an article about peoples' receptions to Obamacare. This couple goes to a McDonald's and sees the nutritional values listed on the menu. The husband says something like "Well it's good McDonald's is making that public for everyone to make their own choices about their health! And it isn't forced, like Obamacare." When they point out that it's because of a provision in Obamacare, all of the sudden he's like "Well herfderf I don't know if that's a good idea"
We're living in a pretty hyper-partisan time. I'm not going to pretend that Republicans aren't worse about this, but you can sell legislation to low-info voters of any political leaning as long as you wrap it correctly. If a Republican President wrote PPACA and called it Save Patriots and Orphans Act, you can bet Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity would be out the next day singing the praises. A liberal finds out Romney's name is attached to a tax plan, they hate it, a conservative finds out Obama's name is attached to a healthcare bill, they hate it, and moderate voters don't know which one is right, they just know everyone is wrong and everything would be fine if people would just stop fighting and agree
on whatever my personal beliefs are
Liberals aren't as bad because I think we're used to losing, so we're more quick to cede ground. Like that comic with Pelosi saying "Gee, you really might vote for us? How about if we bomb some brown people?" Also see Obama's debate performance. Liberal blogosphere freaked out, if it were backwards the media would be calling it a tie because Republicans would insist it was.
Thanks man. Really. That means more than you know. I feel very alone here a lot. There are times I would like to leave for a state that pays more, is more open minded but I feel like I'm doing good here. I'm still naive enough to think I can make a difference. If I don't do the job then who will? While I'm obviously not blasting political ideology at students I can promise you my students leave my class knowing why it is important to research, how to trust a source, and how to form their own a opinion. Like I said, critical thinking is a bad thing to a lot of people here.
I could ramble on about this and my teaching philosophy forever. Poll numbers look good. I'm inspired to help out. If you have time you should all think about doing the same. Be the change you want to see and all that jazz.
cartoon_soldier
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So the Sesnata story is still just confined to liberal blogs...
Aaron Strife
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By the way, election officials in Ohio are confirming PPP's finding about ~20% of Ohio voters voting early:
I love you, man
Aaron Strife
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I hope that made your day better.
I mean that with utter sincerity. Yesterday I was starting to grow legitimately concerned about Obama's chances of winning, and it was such a drag that it was affecting me in general, lucky it was a stay-home night so it's not like anyone could see it. I'm a pretty optimistic person in general (gasp shock) so it's especially sucky for me seeing things go south. For the first time, the thought of "Okay, so what happens if Romney wins" crossed my mind and hated it. My family has a lot to lose if Romney and the Republicans got their way.
When I woke up today my feelings had settled a little. When Obama ticked up in the forecast and PPP came out with their Ohio poll I felt pretty good. Then I went bowling. Good shit man.
The New York Times did a story on it.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/10/u...bain-maintains-china-ties.html?pagewanted=all
cartoon_soldier
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That's great news for Obama.
PPP releasing NC and FL numbers tomorrow...I expect those won't be as good for Obama as OH. NC especially.
Still don't know why IA is not getting polled. If I was a pollster, every week would have OH, VA, IA, WI, NC, CO, FL, NV!
PPP did say they will poll OH every week now.
Aaron Strife
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Iowa is being polled after the debate along with New Hampshire. Also, there'll be a flash poll of Colorado on the night of.
lol at Xbox poll. "Who would you rather play Xbox Live with, Biden or Ryan" I have to imagine Biden's a card no matter what you do with him.
cartoon_soldier
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Oh yea I knew about PPP, just talking in general.
I wonder when we will see a Ann Selzer IA poll...gold standard for IA.
cartoon_soldier
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Romney is moving staffers from PA to OH, Ras had Obama leading +5 at 51%, PA newspaper poll had him at +8 with 50%.
SteveWinwood
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I just want to know the Fla poll. Nate Silver has it leaning Romney right now.
I thought old people were supposed to be educated about this healthcare stuff thanks to AARP. They sure aren't showing it.
I thought old people were supposed to be educated about this healthcare stuff thanks to AARP. They sure aren't showing it.
Romney's aggressive tactics in Ohio don't necessarily mean that it's likely to flip, by the way. They might just mean that, having recognized that PA and WI are no longer real swing states, he knows as well as we do that Obama winning Ohio and Iowa is the end of the ball game, and that Ohio is his BEST shot even if it isn't a good one.
Of course, that would suggest that Iowa is a lockdown for Obama.
Of course, that would suggest that Iowa is a lockdown for Obama.
TheHeretic
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The early voting strategy seems to have paid off for Obama, so i'll reneg on my earlier analysis a little. Romney now needs a double digit lead in Ohio if those numbers are accurate, that isn't going to happen no matter how badly he does on Tuesday. From there it just means hanging on to Iowa to a narrow victory (and I do think it will be very narrow) - but the scope of the victory doesn't matter at the end of the day I suppose.
cartoon_soldier
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MD has R+7 which is the big reason for Nate's projection for FL right now. Before that it was closer to a true tossup. If you remove MD on Huffpo Pollster its 47.7% each
Aaron Strife
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Yeah I feel like PA's a done deal, along with MI. A poll of the nine (WI, NC, OH, FL, CO, NV, IA, NH, VA) is always appreciated though.
cartoon_soldier
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I am assuming after the 3rd debate we will see PPP run the field. At least I hope so.
Lot easy to do for an automated pollster than live ones
Big surprise.. Obama continues to hold a healthy lead in New Mexico.. 49-39.
http://www.abqjournal.com/main/2012/10/14/politics/obama-builds-n-m-lead-over-romney.html
Still, I want more polls from swingier states. I'm also wondering just how obviously, blatantly desperate Romney is going to get in Ohio. At the rate he's been visiting, he might end-up living there for the final few weeks.
Alternatively, he could put everything into denying Obama that one final tipping-point state. But both flipping Iowa and Nevada and Colorado and Virginia would be an incredibly tall mountain to climb as well.
I expect Obama's percentage chance of victory to continue climbing over this next week.
http://www.abqjournal.com/main/2012/10/14/politics/obama-builds-n-m-lead-over-romney.html
Still, I want more polls from swingier states. I'm also wondering just how obviously, blatantly desperate Romney is going to get in Ohio. At the rate he's been visiting, he might end-up living there for the final few weeks.
Alternatively, he could put everything into denying Obama that one final tipping-point state. But both flipping Iowa and Nevada and Colorado and Virginia would be an incredibly tall mountain to climb as well.
I expect Obama's percentage chance of victory to continue climbing over this next week.
Aaron Strife
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Romney's choice now is between Ohio or everything but Ohio. He can't have both.
eBay Huckster
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Kind of wondering how likely this EV scenario's looking now:
And if he gives-up in Ohio, we'll see Republican enthusiasm from coast to coast take a nosedive. He has to put on a brave face there.
No easy choices for him.
There's something vaguely wonderful about Obama winning the election without winning a single southern state.
Not sure about VA yet. Pure tossup is what my gut says.Kind of wondering how likely this EV scenario's looking now:
FL I think is gone.
eBay Huckster
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It's like all the GOP victories before 1920 all over again.
I think, for me, it would also represent the rest of the country giving the South the finger, overruling their choice. Even though I'm from down here, it'd still be funny as hell.
Aaron Strife
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Well, I would like Obama to break 300 EVs at least. I don't want Republicans to be able to pretend like it was close.
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