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[Dan]

I don't know what effect this next debate will have, do people care about foreign policy right now? I think a narrow Obama victory in the debate won't do much whereas a loss would hurt him quite a bit because then many voters will see Romney as competent on both domestic and foreign policy issues.

Romney's going to have a pretty hard time "winning". His only angles have been Benghazi and whining about not calling foreign leaders and countries enough names. His Benghazi arguments have been butchered over the last week.

 

[Forever]

It's either Wisconsin or Ohio and Ohio seemed too obvious of a choice.

When you lose this bet I will allow PoliGAF to vote on your new avatar.

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

When you lose this bet I will allow PoliGAF to vote on your new avatar.

It's really two bets. One is the electoral map will look like that and two is Romney will win. What if Romney wins but loses Wisconsin?

 

[Forever]

It's really two bets. One is the electoral map will look like that and two is Romney will win. What if Romney wins but loses Wisconsin?

Then it's a wash.

 

[Kevitivity]

Yep, Romney is running around the country saying "I actually have a plan, all Obama does is make fun of me!" Seems to be working to some extent.

The more positive candidate generally wins.

 

[Jadedx]

https://twitter.com/clint/status/259736531063930880


Diamond Joe sez: "Quit your fucking panicking, we got this! (and donuts)."

LOL, Carlton at a Obama field office.

 

[Black Mamba]

But that's what's crazy, neither has Romney. Even less so, actually.

But Romney has been pretending he has a plan. And people are fucking stupid.

The more positive candidate generally wins.

Like Bush in '04? lol


Also, Romney has basically ran around saying "i'm not Obama" and that usually doesn't win, either.

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

Then it's a wash.

So the only way I can lose is if Obama wins. I'll take those odds.

 

[Trouble]

Just filled out my ballot. feelsgoodman.gif

I fucking love that my state (Washington) votes entirely by mail. Seems like such a better system and makes voting easier for everyone. My one gripe is that the return envelope requires postage. There are free drop off locations, but I feel like super lazy people will end up not voting because they don't have a stamp.

 

[Forever]

So the only way I can lose is if Obama wins. I'll take those odds.

K.

I can't lose because that map you're betting on is ludicrous. There is no realistic scenario on this earth where Obama wins Ohio but loses Wisconsin.

 

[Link]

This is exactly right. I said as much after the third debate. BO was all about hope and change last time around, with a vision for the future. None of that this time around - BO has been reduced to silly word games. That does not win elections.

Can you stop with this BO bullshit? How old are you?

 

[Loudninja]

The more positive candidate generally wins.

What reality do you live in?

 

[Kevitivity]

I don't know what effect this next debate will have, do people care about foreign policy right now? I think a narrow Obama victory in the debate won't do much whereas a loss would hurt him quite a bit because then many voters will see Romney as competent on both domestic and foreign policy issues.

One word: Benghazi

My predictions... fewer people will watch the last debate. Romney will win. But again, conventional wisdom is that the debates just don't matter that much.

The polls are changing because people are simply starting to pay attention to the election.

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

K.

I can't lose because that map you're betting on is ludicrous. There is no realistic scenario on this earth where Obama wins Ohio but loses Wisconsin.

What if we make it Wisconsin or Ohio?

 

[pigeon]

See what you guys did with your panicking over an Obama lead? Now the conservative posters are in here thinking they're going to win. Don't encourage them! It's bad for the state of education in this country.

 

[Forever]

What if we make it Wisconsin or Ohio?

Too late.

 

[HylianTom]

See what you guys did with your panicking over an Obama lead? Now the conservative posters are in here thinking they're going to win. Don't encourage them! It's bad for the state of education in this country.

Let them enjoy this moment hope. It will make the tears all the more delicious.

 

[TacticalFox88]

This is exactly right. I said as much after the third debate. BO was all about hope and change last time around, with a vision for the future. None of that this time around - BO has been reduced to silly word games. That does not win elections.

Sometimes is hard to lay a vision of future when you have a lot of bullshit lies to correct from the other side.

 

[pigeon]

Sometimes is hard to lay a vision of future when you have a lot of bullshit lies to correct from the other side.

Don't post this! Obama has repeatedly laid out specific plans for the things he wants to do! Stop buying in!

 

[Link]

Kevitivity is just a troll, right? I don't feel like wasting time with someone that has no intention of having a real discussion.

 

[Kevitivity]

What reality do you live in?

I've clearly been following presidential elections longer than most here...

Of the last five, Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama - each of these candidates had a more positive message than their challenger. Disagree?

 

[Bel Marduk]

Final prediction. Willing to bet my avatar on it.

http://www.270towin.com/2012_election_predictions.php?mapid=MBy

I'll take you up on that.

 

[AniHawk]

the +1 romney in iowa was actually for new hampshire. i read it wrong.

If you are a Democrat, press 1. If a Republican, press 2. If you are an independent or identify with another party, press 3.
Democrat ........................................................ 28%
Republican ...................................................... 34%
Independent/Other .......................................... 38%

new hampshire in 2008 was 29-27-45

their breakdown in iowa:

f you are a Democrat, press 1. If a Republican,
press 2. If you are an independent or identify with another party, press 3.
Democrat ........................................................ 34%
Republican ...................................................... 38%
Independent/Other .......................................... 27%

iowa in 2008 was 34-33-33

also, their ohio poll from a week ago:

If you are a Democrat, press 1. If a Republican, press 2. If you are an independent or identify with another party, press 3.
Democrat ........................................................ 40%
Republican ...................................................... 36%
Independent/Other .......................................... 24%

39-31-30 in 2008

 

[TacticalFox88]

Don't post this! Obama has repeatedly laid out specific plans for the things he wants to do! Stop buying in!

I did say "sometimes"

 

[Jackson50]

Kevitivity is just a troll, right? I don't feel like wasting time with someone that has no intention of having a real discussion.

His insistence on referring to Obama as "BO"? Totally. He only wants to antagonize.

 

[gutter_trash]

LOL New Hampshire conservatives are old guard Bush 41 Republicans. Not this new looney brand of Tea Party republicans

They care about fiscal conservationism but not at the expense of making a circus of of social issues and not being honest with the numbers.

 

[The Librarian]

So, to summarize today's polling:
Ohio: O +1
Florida: O +1
Virginia: O +2

 

[Forever]

So, to summarize today's polling:
Ohio: O+1
Florida: O +1
Virginia: O +2

WE ARE DOOMED.

 

[Black Mamba]

I've clearly been following presidential elections longer than most here...

Of the last five, Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama - each of these candidates had a more positive message than their challenger. Disagree?

LOL NO. Bush more positive than Kerry? It was all fear-mongering by him.

 

[speculawyer]

I think Obama's big problem is in the debates he really hasn't shown his vision for the next 4 years and it's making people apprehensive.

Go watch a stump speech or the web page for that. In the debate he has to spend most of the time flagging down Romney's lies.

 

[HylianTom]

So, to summarize today's polling:
Ohio: O+1
Florida: O +1
Virginia: O +2

Nice.

I've been following these since '88, and feel damn good about this one.

 

[Forever]

I think a lot of this panic is from people who either became extremely jaded after 2004, or who first started following politics in 2008 and are used to Obama having an overwhelming mathematical advantage against every opponent. Or both.

 

[Black Mamba]

Go watch a stump speech or the web page for that. In the debate he has to spend most of the time flagging down Romney's lies.

yeah, regular folk don't watch stump speeches.

He had time to do both but didn't. Like the first question in the debate he hardly if at all mentioned his jobs bill despite the fact that the kid asked about having a job.

 

[Kevitivity]

His insistence on referring to Obama as "BO"? Totally. He only wants to antagonize.

You guys have absolutely no sense of humor.

 

[Kinvara]

I'm a first time voter. Went to early voting today and voted for Barack Obama.

https://twitter.com/clint/status/259736531063930880


Diamond Joe sez: "Quit your fucking panicking, we got this! (and donuts)."

Damn. Biden is sexy.

 

[Black Republican]

imagine Poligaf in one room come Election night, PD can be the host.

Then we dine in heaven/hell

 

[Kevitivity]

LOL NO. Bush more positive than Kerry? It was all fear-mongering by him.

I'm sorry, but Lurch did not come across as more positive than Bush.

 

[TacticalFox88]

You guys have absolutely no sense of humor.

Bad news for PoliGAF

 

[ivysaur12]

I still think Obama will take every swing state but North Carolina.

Maybe not Florida. But I'm hopeful.

 

[Y2Kev]

I still think Obama will take every swing state but North Carolina.

Maybe not Florida. But I'm hopeful.

I think BO will probably lose and then be branded worst president ever since every other democrat

 

[Black Mamba]

I'm sorry, but Lurch did not come across as more positive than Bush.

haha, right. The whole "Saddam would still be alive" argument was so positive.

And Romney's campaign is so positive. They keep talking about how we suck.


Romney is simply around because the electorate is too stupid to understand how deep the recession was and how much the GOP stalled our recovery intentionally.

Romney is proposing the same shit Bush did and people hate Bush. But they are too stupid to see it.

 

[Loudninja]

I think WMR is going to win.

 

[Kevitivity]

haha, right. The whole "Saddam would still be alive" argument was so positive.

And Romney's campaign is so positive. They keep talking about how we suck.


Romney is simply around because the electorate is too stupid to understand how deep the recession was and how much the GOP stalled our recovery intentionally.

Romney is proposing the same shit Bush did and people hate Bush. But they are too stupid to see it.

If Romney wins, this forum will be filled with posts echoing your "people are stupid" rather then taking BO to task for being a failure. Trust me.

 

[Black Mamba]

If Romney wins, this forum will be filled with posts echoing your "people are stupid" rather then taking BO to task for being a failure. Trust me.

Obama would fail in so far as being reelected.

But if Romney is elected, it just proves we are very stupid. I mean that sincerely and as someone who has never been and is not a Democrat.


Romney's proposals to date are ludicrous.


Romney and Ryan should have been laughed off the stage months ago if our electorate has any semblance of intelligence.

 

[DragonSworne]

If Romney wins, this forum will be filled with posts echoing your "people are stupid" rather then taking BO to task for being a failure. Trust me.

What will happen if Obama wins?

 

[gutter_trash]

I think BO will probably lose and then be branded worst president ever since every other democrat

they would love to brand him as another Jimmy Carter

 

[Half and half]

What will happen if Obama wins?

Dooom!

 

[786110]

What will happen if Obama wins?

This forum will be filled with posts echoing "Bad news for Obama" rather than taking Romney to task for being a failure. Trust me.

 

[TacticalFox88]

If Romney wins, this forum will be filled with posts echoing your "people are stupid" rather then taking BO to task for being a failure. Trust me.

Normally, I'd be all over you disagreeing but...yeah. Considering Romney would undo almost ALL of Obama's achievements, I guess you could say he was a failure...from a certain point of view.

 

[RustyNails]

I've clearly been following presidential elections longer than most here...

Of the last five, Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama - each of these candidates had a more positive message than their challenger. Disagree?

Bush Sr won because of Willie Horton Jr.
Bush Jr won first election because of voter fraud
Bush Jr won the second election due to despicable swift boat veterans for truth nonsense