She really pushed him on his votes about women issues. Also Brown did not attack on the Native American issue.
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She really pushed him on his votes about women issues. Also Brown did not attack on the Native American issue.
She also mounted an effective defense of the ACA and did a better job of selling Democratic budgetary priorities.
ErasureAcer
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Sounds right. Is Geraldo still giving away troops positions in Afghanistan?
Sirpopopop
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Listening to it now.
She got him good on the ACA.
I think she could have done a better job on the first question, it seemed like they were both talking past each other on that one.
What?...
Its an audio file. Just listen past the introduction. I don't know why the image is there.
PA was a tossup?
el retorno
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sounds like a toss-up
What does Diablos think of this?
Giant Panda
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Some of the post here seem to not want to face the truth of what the polls are currently showing. YES, Obama is winning and is still on track to do so. However, Romney is now within striking distance for a win. This race is currently pretty close. If something else major goes wrong for Obama between now and the election Obama will lose unless Romney's bounce fades fast. People seem to be going back to overconfidence right after they got burned by it last week.
Black Mamba
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RCP does. They put NH and Pa as tossup lol
No, Romney cannot win if he loses Ohio, which did not shift towards Romney at all. The EC is so favored towards Dems now it's near impossible for Romney to have a chance at winning.
(not to mention his bump's already fading lol at this thread lately)
Y'all see this?
House panel blows CIA cover in Libya
This is why you don't have hearings in October...
House panel blows CIA cover in Libya
This is why you don't have hearings in October...
Romney's barely cracked a 32% chance to win this thing, which is less than I thought it would be after the last few days worth of polls. Yes Obama needs to not fuck up, but the same goes for Romney. If Ryan fucks up this debate like he did his RNC speech it could kill Romney's chances. A VP debate will never help, but it can hurt.
PhoenixDark
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Why? The internals of the Obama campaign show Romney is
http://www.nationaljournal.com/whitehouse/obama-s-ohio-silver-lining-20121010
EDIT: Just saw the NJ has a correction at the bottom of the article
Still, it's close
Byakuya769
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A little something I made, based on what my dad said last night
There is a small typo. Screw it. It's late
I think your dad is extraordinarily wrong. It always strikes me that really highly educated people love to assume all other similarly educated people are moderate and generally have good ideas. Almost as if the whole ideological divide is just a show for the unwashed masses (this is not directly pointed at your dad, now I'm making a broader point).
Sirpopopop
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This is why the Republican response to this incident has been grossly insulting.
This is not an issue you politicize at all.
Neither party talks much sense on job creation. Its part of the overall incoherence in the debate surrounding the budget and economic growth. Within the framework of the current debate she did about as a well as I would expect. She stumbled over the name of one of the initiatives, but that is about it.
Both parties just use the issue to highlight their budgetary priorities and governing philosophies.
Black Mamba
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Your link says Ohio is outside moe.
Also moe isn't the same as you think. Plus 3 means Obama is 85% to win
OK, this needs to be an issue. A big one. This is not the first time the Republicans have fucked up someone's cover and it probably won't be the last. Plus Mitt hasn't exactly shown he'd be much better than these guys at this, the MI6 thing anyone?
Didn't the Romney camp tell Times that they are behind in Ohio.
Giant Panda
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Notice that the difference in Ohio is now fairly small. There is little evidence of a fading bump either, it has only just stabilized in the last two days. Seriously though, your dismissive attitude is troubling as it shows that you don't seem willing to change your mind despite what you may read. I am not saying Romney is likely to win and if you thoughtfully read my post you would understand that. I am just saying a Romney win is a possibility with a meaningful chance of occuring, when before it wasn't. When one major mistake can cost you the election, then that's a close election. The debate didn't cost Obama the election but another thing like that would.
This is not panicing, that is can surmised by looking at the polls with an open mind.
Sirpopopop
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Just heard that "job creator" line from Brown.
That was a really really bad moment for him. Warren got him good, and then he just doubled down on that comment.
PhoenixDark
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Yea, saw the NJ correction and edited my post.
Black Mamba
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"fairly small." If he's up 4 as CNN says, that makes him almost 95% to win the state. Any lead above 2 is fairly large, statistically.
Also, we don't know the state polls regarding the bounce. But the national trackers have shown a reverse. Both Ras and Gallup have improved the last 3 days for Obama while RAND has done nothing of consequence.
Define "meaningful chance." That may be 10% to some, 50% to others.
When should one be "dismissive"? At the 100% mark? The 80% mark? The 50% mark?
With those two questions, it's easy to see how you could think Romney has a meaningful chance (let's say 30%) while someone else could be dismissive since Obama has a 70% chance of winning.
I think his point was the the POTUS doesn't really have that much power. To him, Congress and the Senate have the true power. People, mistakenly vote top of the ticket, while the congressional and senatorial races are mostly ignored, or at least, in comparison. He believes the media overplays and over hypes how close election is, not only to create a story (and increase ratings) but also not to entirely undermine local and state races. In a way, their sensationalism is a good thing.
In reality, if Obama had a huge lead, reporting that would basically send a message to Republican hopefuls in both senate and congressional races, that they're wasting their time and shouldn't bother running. You can't have that happen and allow a grim outlook take control the outcome. That much doubt and cynicism isn't good for anyone. It would discourage people from wanting to get involved if they thought their chances at winning were non-existent. Making things seem close encourages people to get involved and hopeful that their vote truly does make a difference. So, again, in order to boost ratings for themselves and to prevent interrupting the political process, the media and even pollsters work their magic (with, bias, skewing and half-truths) in order to make things seem deadlocked. It's not really a conspiracy but rather a little tricks at keeping things in balance. It's weird, but the way he explained it, it made a lot of sense.
On the most part, especially for the economy (which, ironically, the government can't really control) Obama and Romney want to do the same things. What differs is how they go about getting things done. They vary on social and foreign policy though. From his experience, favorability and likability are key. Whichever candidate people resonates better with and whichever person they feel more comfortable with will win. Most people don't know about the issues or what they're about. If folks think Obama is alright, but Mitt's a jerk, they'll vote for Obama. If the incumbent isn't hated but the challenger isn't necessarily loved, the incumbent has the advantage and will have a very strong shot at winning.
All that remains is who actual bothers to go out and vote on the 6th.
Thank goodness we have the GOP to protect national security...
Half and half
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Holy shit. GOP frothing at the mouth so hard they fucked up twice on Libya response (first one was Mitt's fault). Amazing.
Hah, friends pranked me with a Romney Ryan bumper sticker. I think they felt so bad about putting on that they taped it on my window so I could only see it inside and others outside couldn't see it. That's how big of a joke Romney is at one of my jobs. (at the other job everyone worships him)
Giant Panda
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You are assuming that nothing noteworthy happens in the next month to move the polls at all. If nothing does then Obama has a great chance of winning. I am just stating that if something does (and it goes against him) Obama will be in trouble. I just wanted to respond to those who were saying things that implied they thought Obama definitely has it in the bag. He's the favorite, but it isn't a sure thing.
That the CIA was involved was fairly obvious. At least, as more information accrued, it was clear the compound was not a standard State Department facility. But it's laughable that after complaining incessantly about intelligence leaks, and there was some justification to the complaints although Republicans exaggerated as usual, the GOP would commit such an error. I'm disconcerted these impetuous, sophomoric dullards are responsible for oversight.
Switch to a 99% confidence interval. You might still be correct.
Half and half
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Man, yall go through the work day paralyzed by nightmare scenarios?
sometimes i scream and flail around a lot
Byakuya769
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If his contention is that Congress has the true power, then a Romney Presidential wins is still very different than an Obama one because of its down-ticket effects.
Black Mamba
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No, I'm saying the poll says right now that Obama is 95% to win in Ohoi. Of course things could change.
Look, if Obama has a 2nd terrible debate, then who the fuck knows what happens. I have not said Obama has this locked. I've given my opinion that I think the bounce will fade a bit (not totally) before the next debate.
I'm merely analyzing the polls that do come in. Nothing in life is a sure thing. Obama is the favorite. And until there's a major shift, I'm not going to start worrying. That doesn't mean I'm unconcerned about anything.
I really wish I knew this link existed before I watched the one without video :|
Maybe, maybe not. Republicans could turn their back on Mitt, calling him a traitor for being too moderate and ignoring his conservative base. It's not like they actually like him, you know.
Mitt Romney is the GOP's John Kerry. He's gonna lose. I'm not nervous like some of you are in this thread. I'm not complacent either. Don't want Mitt to win? VOTE. Inform people of his bullshit.
ErasureAcer
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=( C-SPAN usually has every big debate.
Doc Holliday
SPOILER: Columbus finds America
Imagine a democratic congress had pulled some shit like that. Disgusting :/
Sadly, this won't be the first time the GOP has outed an member of our intelligence and gotten away with it. Though I still hold some small glimmer of hope that they suffer for this.
Black Mamba
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They said they were only running it on comedy channels for fun.
speaking of which, Big Bird is going to be the hot halloween costume this year. Not joking, sales on the rise big time.
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