Officerrob
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Watching Sippy Cupp talk about gun control makes me feel like buying a gun to blow my brains out
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PoliGAF 2013 |OT1| Never mind, Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
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Rocket Scientist
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Yeah but if they want federal benefits and dem tax breaks she does!
Mmm, burnt popcorn with charred butter.
LOL
I think it's a good piece of policy regardless of the name at the top of it. If Rubio fights for it in the Senate and the President signs it, then I think both of them would come out looking good. Rubio is clearly setting himself up for four years from now and if this can be seen as a genuine moment of bipartisanship then I'm okay with that.
I really hope liberals don't throw a fit because a Republican now wants to support this policy.
Rocket Scientist
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I hope he's reading.
This is it, folks. We have reached Peak PoliGAF.
The Librarian
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So have we confirmed whether or not Dax & Diablos are dating?
GROSS
The subsequent discussion caused by this post has been hilarious. lmao @ Cyan's post.
adamsappel
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What kind of sick assholes even know enough of Mein Kampf to quote it? That's a book I'd rather never read at all.
West Virginia
Oh. Of course. Actually, most of my Facebook friends are also from WV (as am I), but with a couple exceptions seem pretty reasonable. They obviously hate Obama, but keep the racism and gun-nuttery to a minimum. We're older, though.
I think history is going to judge Obama very well. All the tea partiers are going to drift away unidentified behind a "recalcitrant congress" type label, while Obama is going to be credited with all the political victories, and we won't remember the higher hopes we had for the legislation.
With how much people are deifying Clinton now even from some ex-conservatives or ex-republicans alike, Obama's gonna get equal or more than a Reagan-esque stature as the years roll by.
I've thought this for about a year now. His election was historic, his first term achievements are pretty impressive on paper, and combine that with raising taxes on high income earners, a gun control bill, an immigration reform bill and whatever else, as long as he can make it through this term without scandal, he should be pretty set to be the historically important President he clearly wants to be.
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The Autumn Wind
The NRA accusing someone of changing the subject is hilariously ironic.
I know they bulldozed and rebuilt the one that I pass all the time.
I thought this was pretty clearly where things were headed after Boehner kept his Speakership after the fiscal cliff vote. I'm not sure it can happen for gun control, though. Boehner's got a reason to break the Hastert rule when, as you say, it's necessary to make the government not fall over, and he can get away with this in part because many of the Tea Party Congressmen aren't actually true believers. But for lesser issues, the GOP infighting isn't going to be worth the potential political gain. A split caucus that allows immigration reform to pass doesn't let the GOP take much credit for immigration reform, because it guarantees that there will be more anti-immigrant noise coming from the right than there would have been with no vote. Almost any Hastert violation that doesn't prevent catastrophe is going to be bad politics for the GOP and for Boehner.
Even allowing votes in crises only isn't going to be enough for the Tea Party, but the beauty of it is that they don't get much of a say. They can hold their own representatives accountable, but they'd need to be fairly sophisticated to object to the fact that their Reps didn't try to prevent Boehner from continuing as Speaker. The Reps in very conservative districts are going to be the ones voting against and yelling about the debt ceiling increase. Boehner's probably safe regardless, although it might not be good for their eventual 2016 candidate. We know that the Tea Party Reps themselves are fine with this arrangement, because Boehner's still Speaker.
Black Mamba
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Stay the course House GOP. It will pay off in due time.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...e-morning-plum-the-increasingly-isolated-gop/
All the gerrymandering in the world won't save them if they allow a default. I guarantee it. Which is why I think Boehner won't allow it, regardless.
I don't agree with what the effects of NRA is doing here, and frankly I would have said the bolded part is a little much as well, but at the same time you need something to prevent the sandy thing from happening again. At least for the time being until this all calms down.
Armed guards are not a danger to those they're trying to protect. Putting a gun in an untrained teacher's hand as some have suggested however, is.
Rocket Scientist
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I don't understand how it is acceptable that the house is not even allowed to vote on something unless the speaker approves, even if it would pass...!! how is this not a tyranny/dictatorship? One person cannot hold so much power over the political process. Why is the media not calling this tyranny?
thezerofire
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Courtesy of my crazy conservative uncle:
Courtesy of my crazy conservative uncle:
Oh god the ending to that lmao
He's a wonderful snake. My hope is they manage to pass it, it gets signed into law, and then Obama turns and says, "Thanks! This was exactly everything I wanted." which makes the far right turn on Rubio.
Rocket Scientist
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BAN HOSPITALS! ARMED GUARDS AT EVERY OPERATING TABLE! AN AK47 IN EVERY NURSES HAND!Courtesy of my crazy conservative uncle:
Black Mamba
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More from the poll:
The Obama facade the GOP media has built up is slowly tearing down, IMO.
The Obamacare ending to that is fucking stupid. Most of them happen during mandatory surgeries (you'd get regardless of insurance) or elective ones (not covered by insurance), not going to your doctor cuz you have a fucking cold.
The Obama facade the GOP media has built up is slowly tearing down, IMO.
The Obamacare ending to that is fucking stupid. Most of them happen during mandatory surgeries (you'd get regardless of insurance) or elective ones (not covered by insurance), not going to your doctor cuz you have a fucking cold.
While I love hyperbole, I get the point though.
However statistics by themselves is meaningless. It more shows where policies and methods need to be changed, if anything. And for some of that, not even that. Other things need to be changed in order to reduce deaths by those means.
Courtesy of my crazy conservative uncle:
This is deaths by assault rifles only? Because that number is absurdly low for all guns. And I'd guess even that number makes assault rifles orders of magnitude more deadly than hammers on a per-weapon basis.
Hobbestetrician
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Courtesy of my crazy conservative uncle:
Wonder how many would die if they refused all medical care. In fact, let's have them test it out for us.
I still think he's going to be their nominee in 2016. They'll try to ride the coattails of a bi-partisan immigration reform bill to say that they're bipartisan and put forward their Latino candidate in an attempt to shrink their embarrassing margins with Latinos. Romney and McCain winning their party's nominations show that ultimately their party is willing to pick their best possible option in a general election. I think we'll see the same thing next go around.
Black Mamba
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I'd rather he shot me just so I wouldn't have to read his shitty comics again.
Who shot the Constitution? They must be upset with it because Obama is using his powers as described within it.
Also, does the Constitution have an invisible body it uses to walk around?
Rocket Scientist
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If I understood Obama correctly earlier today, already there have been 900 gun related deaths in the US this year.
Well, in some cases Obama is kind of circumventing congress and I personally don't think that's appropriate.
By what means? There have been a few shootings this year over other years, but generally it's handguns not rifles. Additionally, you have to consider accidents via hunting or improper use, which aren't at all the same as murder with guns.
Rocket Scientist
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Really? You believe any of the points on that list posted earlier are inappropriate? That's sad.
Guns.
Where did I say that? I meant I was hearing that congress had been saying they wanted to do one thing, and the president was saying something along the lines of "who needs you?"
Statistics by themselves are not enough information to reach a conclusion. This is like rule #1 of critical thinking.
speculawyer
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She strikes me as someone who just adopted a particular political stance because she knew where was a market for young female pundits with that stance.
ClassyPenguin
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Just an interesting note from my experience:
These same gun nuts are are almost always the ones who oppose motorcycle helmet laws claiming it's "their right" instead of looking at the big picture.
As a motorcyclist I am a huge proponent of better safety laws and stricter licensing.
These same gun nuts are are almost always the ones who oppose motorcycle helmet laws claiming it's "their right" instead of looking at the big picture.
As a motorcyclist I am a huge proponent of better safety laws and stricter licensing.
The President doesn't need Congress do to a lot of things. He needs them to adjust current law and budgets, but once those things are set he can tell the different agencies what to emphasize and how to implement things.
Rocket Scientist
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Please be more vague.
I can't sorry. I realize it's just hearsay.
I'm going to google this now though.
I thought the current process was congress deliberates on law, then they push it to the president. He would then veto or approve the bill. Congress could then veto his veto if necessary.
The Librarian
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CharlieDigital
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EO's by presidency:
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EO End EO Start Total
Obama 13632 13489 143
Bush 13488 13198 290
Clinton 13197 12834 363
Bush 12833 12668 165
Reagan 12667 12287 380http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/executive-orders/disposition.html
Obama has issued less EO's than even Bush I, and is on pace for less than Bush II.
But I guess it's only a problem and "circumventing congress" when a Democrat does it.
This thread needs more Tom Toles.
Like they would read liberal filth like Catch-22!
It is, but the President is able to tell the different offices in the executive (ATF and the like) how to implement these laws and how harshly he wants them to enforce them. Basically Congress makes the rules and the President has the authority to implement these rules as he sees fit.
Black Mamba
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Dat NRA optics.
I hope their latest ad gets some play on the media circuit for how despicable it is, too.
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The first part of this post is the Republican base in a nutshell.
The Librarian
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He must really need a paycheck.
Black Mamba
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Because they can't sign a moderate democrat, they have to go far left to contrast their own positions.
God forbid the GOP base hears the argument from a moderate.
Honestly, I see this as a potential Huntsman moment for Rubio. All Obama has to do to screw the GOP on immigration is say he wants to do the same stuff they want to do and that Rubio's plan is great and he endorses it. Now unless the GOP manages to do some thorough housecleaning Rubio suddenly can't get through the primary without disavowing his own plan. Hell, Obama could invite him to the signing and then hug him unexpectedly. Not sure if there's a way he could lure Rubio into a fistbump.
In what way is Obama using his power of executive order illegally and circumventing congress in a manner that is not appropriate?
Edit: I see that you're willing to look into it. I'm glad to see that because many people just run with things without fully understanding them. EOs were confusing to me upon following politics for the first time, but when you get a better grasp at what they are you see that they aren't tyrannical power grabs.
This could happen, as well. While McCain and Romney have more moderate records, they went full stupid for the primaries in order to survive. Perhaps it's wishful thinking on my part, but reading Team of Rivals has me yearning for honest policy discussions and a Republican party that isn't insane.
InsaneZero
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It pays really well?
For what it's worth, as a whole I don't agree with republican values as a whole.
Mostly I'm pro-gun, anti-corporation, pro-choice, pro-love whoever the fuck you want. If I had to summarize myself I suppose. I found myself supporting the green party for a while now.
Is that per president or is that cumulative? Oh I see, it's cumulative.
And no, I'd say that about any president. I haven't been trying to be involved in what's going on until around when Obama got elected though, so my knowledge is limited I admit. I'm also surrounded by republicans everywhere I look so that may be influencing me.
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The Autumn Wind
I wasn't accusing you of being a Republican, just that their base will get talking points from Fox News, the NRA, Facebook, etc. and run with it, without even really knowing the facts of the situation. Your statement summed it up nicely. The difference is that you're willing to educate yourself further.
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