I knew from the moment Hillary said that line that the righties were gonna have a field day with it.
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I knew from the moment Hillary said that line that the righties were gonna have a field day with it.
speculawyer
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Yeah, I haven't looked into this . . . was there something different about these recess appointments? Is this PWB violation?
(Presidenting While Black)
The Librarian
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Courts these days seem to have a knack for ignoring common sense. Take a look at the risk of Section 5 of the Voting Rights Act from SCOTUS.
See also: LOL common-sense precedent
tanooki141
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The unconstitutionality comes from the fact that they weren't actually in recess.
Unless that has been done in past? I've never heard of it.
PhoenixDark
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I think Biden could win a national election if Hillary stayed on the sidelines. He's already generally well liked, but the question of his demeanor and seriousness has always been a question. If he can continue to get stuff done with Obama, it'll help his standing. He's had quite a good couple of months and I'd imagine he'll play a prominent role in the upcoming immigration debate too.
Still, he's gonna need a helluva good VP to get people excited and assure voters, due to his old age. I wonder if he would agree to serving one term.
Biden's not gonna win. Ever. I like the guy, but he's damaged goods at this point.
This is strictly just a hypothetical and it won't ever happen, but is there some precedent in the law that prohibits a two term president from becoming a vice president after his two terms? Or is it pretty much an unspoken precedent NOT to do such a thing.
Just the calamity and vitriol a Biden Obama ticket would gather from the right would be glorious.
Just the calamity and vitriol a Biden Obama ticket would gather from the right would be glorious.
Black Mamba
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Lot of misogyny in politics. This goes for both parties (and unaffiliated I'd imagine).
Guys, the 2nd part of the DC ruling said a vacancy must happen DURING recess, too. That invalidates most previous appointments under recess. That said, while I haven't really read it yet, I'm assuming it is only narrow to this specific case and maaaaaybe the other NLRB cases this past year, but nothing else.
Brian Schweitzer goddamit!
NihonTiger90
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LET THE IMPEACHMENT HEARINGS BEGIN. [/TeaParty]
The Twelfth Amendment states that "no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States." Add to that the Twenty-second Amendment making the President ineligible for the Presidency after two terms.
The dream of an American Putin has been dashed!
ClovingWestbrook
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If Hilldawg isn't too old to get PD excited she isn't too old to excite the country.
This week's Saturday Morning Cartoon for dHP is on this. I just mostly finished it. I'll be touching it up later tonight and tomorrow morning it'll be up.
I might keep doing that segment if I can keep finding decent cartoons to talk about. I find it's a decent way to segway into current events and critique some of the arguments that are going around currently. And I think it brings in readers.
Per the CBS article over 280 intrasession recess appointments have been made. That's going to be a shit load of history erased. How many rulings or decisions have these people made.
I think it comes down race. It's acceptable for a person of color to display their emotions. But with anyone else, it just comes across as opportunistic. So Boehner was just letting his feminine side show, but Hillary clearly was trying to distract from how horribly she was doing.
Shameful really.
speculawyer
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Jesus. How can anyone make something so offensive and obtuse without knowing they are just being an intentional troll. He (and a ton of other articles) literally took a phrase out of context to imply the exact opposite of what she was saying.
HILLARY CLINTON: With all due respect, the fact is we had 4 dead Americans. Was it because of a protest or was it because of guys out for a walk one night who decided they’d go kill some Americans? What difference at this point does it make? It is our job to figure out what happened and do everything we can to prevent it from ever happening again Senator.
speculawyer
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Does anyone know how to draw? Cause I'd like some comics for DHP. It doesn't have to be ultra professional, but just good enough that it looks clean and simple. Here's one I'd like to bring to life:
Panel 1- Wide shot of Obama sitting on a couch, bottle of beer in one hand with his feet on the coffee table watching T.V. and laughing uncontrollably.
Panel 2- Random military general shows up out of breath. "Mr. President! The Embassy in Libya is being attacked! Ambassador Chris Stevens and his officers are trapped and are desperately pleading for help!"
Panel 3- Shot of the backside of Obama's head: "I'm fully aware of that, general."
Panel 4 - Close up of the confused general's face: "Sir?"
Panel 5 - Close up of Obama's face with an extremely sinister smile as he says: "What did you think I was watching this whole time?"
Panel 1- Wide shot of Obama sitting on a couch, bottle of beer in one hand with his feet on the coffee table watching T.V. and laughing uncontrollably.
Panel 2- Random military general shows up out of breath. "Mr. President! The Embassy in Libya is being attacked! Ambassador Chris Stevens and his officers are trapped and are desperately pleading for help!"
Panel 3- Shot of the backside of Obama's head: "I'm fully aware of that, general."
Panel 4 - Close up of the confused general's face: "Sir?"
Panel 5 - Close up of Obama's face with an extremely sinister smile as he says: "What did you think I was watching this whole time?"
Krauser Kat
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this is a fun little mathematical gaffe.
http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/obama-would-have-received-3-5th-of-popular
Let me see what i can do tomorrow morning.
http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/obama-would-have-received-3-5th-of-popular
Let me see what i can do tomorrow morning.
She'll be 69, that isn't too old. People live a hell of a lot longer than they used to, especially women.
jamesinclair
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People thought Ron Paul was too old in 2008 and he's still ticking.
And feinstein is like 200
That would get slapped down so quick your head would spin.
Rocket Scientist
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Damaged goods? Think you're thinking of Hillary not Biden. Nothing Biden has done is something that would immediately disqualify him from ever winning.
Biden has the reputation of being the Democrats' Sarah Palin. He'd get destroyed by the media if he runs.
Rocket Scientist
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Woah Woah Woah, Palin? Palin?! You can't be serious.
I'm not saying I believe that! (no one one the left is remotely comparable to being a Sarah Palin) I'm saying that's how he's perceived by everyone else.
Rocket Scientist
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Even so, I don't think I've seen that comparison being made. Biden knows what he's talking about so his gaffes are just silly. Palin on the other hand...
Both Hillary and Biden have something to them that could attract moderate republicans. Biden to me has the edge because he'd also do good with the various minorities. Hillary would perhaps be a better president but Biden has much more appeal. I don't know if I agree with your assessment that the media would be all over him. And even if they were his gaffes are such that they would attract voters more than that they'd push away.
jamesinclair
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Hey, since most of you are Obamacare experts....
Ive insurance due to the 26 law.
Insurance year is Jan-December
Bday is September
Do I get kicked out on my bday or does it run to the end of the year?
Ive insurance due to the 26 law.
Insurance year is Jan-December
Bday is September
Do I get kicked out on my bday or does it run to the end of the year?
Except he knows his stuff, can speak articulately on just about any issue, actually cares about facts, and has knowledge of how to work in Washington. He has a clumsiness that some people find charming and others use against him but he is nothing like Sarah Palin.
The end of your bday month, I believe. It definitely won't run to the end of the year.
He's saying media perception, not reality. I think it's true. The Onion has a great skit where the media tears into him due to a gaffe where he sneezes during a meeting and all the pundits are like, "God, he's an embarrassment."
Manmademan
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Nowhere close. Biden isn't obama (or hillary) but he tore apart paul ryan in their debate, and ryan had long been propped up as "the intellectual".
The worst you can say about Joe is that he's unrefined as a person and a speaker, but that plays VERY well in blue collar democratic areas.
NYCmetsfan
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That's what hamilton said in the federalist papers. Though its not what people have done.
The constitution says this
I can see how thats the spirit of the law but the wording IMO makes the other type legal.
I also don't think that's how Biden is portrayed in the media aside from making fun of his gaffes. Palin has been completely delegitimized in/by the media. Biden is good for a punchline now and again but even the media recognizes and reports that he's the guy who got the sequester and income tax deal through, the guy in charge of implementing the stimulus, and the guy leading the president's response to Newtown and gun violence.
Biden has funny moments but imo the media doesn't treat him anywhere near the way they did President Bush or Sarah Palin, not that those two are potrayed the same either. Bush was portrayed largely as a well meaning guy who was in over his head and ceded too much control to others. Palin was and still is seen as a joke outside of Fox News. The only place where Biden isn't taken more seriously by the media than those two is on Fox News.
They're focusing on the wrong thing.
Forcing people to take a pledge to the constitution is borderline fascist.
But hey, missionary atheists missing the bigger point is as predictable as Arizona Republicans doing crap like this.
Pretty sure that a Vice President has to meet every single qualification the president does, which would disqualify any former President.
NYCmetsfan
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Manmademan
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exactly. The media narrative (from anyone but Fox, because..well, it's fox) is that biden is an asset to the administration, and Obama heavily relies on him to push his agenda where he has a hard time. (again, blue collar working class areas.)
Hell, before Obama's second debate the narrative was that Joe might have even salvaged the campaign with his performance vs Ryan. Comparing him to palin or even bush II in any way is flat out false.
Manmademan
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Yeah, and it's SNL. They portrayed Ford as a buffoon (chevy chase got a lot of mileage out of this one) and Dana Carvey's Bush I wasn't anything like H.W. Bush at all.
It's played for laughs not accuracy, and not really appropriate as a measure of media narrative. There are some rare exceptions (Palin) but that one was very much the exception more so than the rule- Tina Fey did a fantastic job there.
He was also the point man on the Iraq withdrawal, I don't think he get enough credit for that, ending an occupation can go horribly wrong, in fact, those thing almost never go so smoothly.
Also, that book he wrote for the Onion is the bomb.
I still don't see them as being portrayed equally by the media. If Palin were to run in 2012 she would be treated as a joke. If Biden were to run he would likely be the frontrunner and the media would treat him like it. He's an accomplished guy not a former governor who quit on the job.
Rocket Scientist
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You guys all agree that sales tax is not a good idea and that taxes should be done at a level where you can judge someone's income level? Or is a sales tax necessary even with its flaw of not being progressives?
If we move in the direction of eliminating income tax and replacing it with a sales tax or by raising the sales tax then I can see several issues there. Is it a flat sales tax? Is it a VAT? How high would the tax have to be to recoup the tax revenue lost by eliminating the income tax? How do we make sure low income people aren't unfairly burdened by a sales tax?
Its thought of as being fair because "rich or poor everyone pays the same tax" but fairness conceptually doesn't mean it will play out fairly in reality.
It looks like Papa Joe is preparing for the coming copper crisis!
Biden Scores 800 Feet Of Copper Wire
Obviously whoever was panicked about a copper shortage was absolutely right. Save those pennies guys, they'll be worth more than actual money soon!
Biden Scores 800 Feet Of Copper Wire
Obviously whoever was panicked about a copper shortage was absolutely right. Save those pennies guys, they'll be worth more than actual money soon!
I had thought that consumption taxes were supposed to be fairly efficient, so I'm for them in that sense. But I'm also for increased progressivity, so a shift to more consumption taxes would have to be coupled to more (progressive) spending.
Sales tax is a bad idea.
It's regressive by nature (it can be sort of offseted to a certain degree) create more paperwork and bureaucracy, it hassles to small businesses and is really hard to enforce, which creates a system that reward fraud, which is never a good idea.
I can think of no economic reason to do it (but many political ones).
p.s.
I feel like I made this post before...
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