TheHeretic
Banned
Walmart doesn't even register on the largest companies in history scale. These email chains are never worthwhile though.
-
Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
PoliGAF 2013 |OT1| Never mind, Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
- Thread starter ClovingWestbrook
- Start date
- Status
by itself, it wouldn't be too big of a deal, but it's another example in a long trend off Obama quietly dismantling or defanging(think: dodd-frank) any remotely progressive policy he manages to get through. I don't get how anyone can still cling to the idea that the guy is a secret liberal/progressive/socialist.
Maybe I'm overreacting, but it was disappointing to read about Obama going back on his word when the public wasn't looking(again).
*sigh*
The Obama administration seems intent on breaking every promise they've ever made. Remember when people actually believed that he was going to make things more transparent?
This bill passed unanimously in both houses of Congress. It was veto-proof. Obama had no choice.
soul creator
Member
lol, I read this line in the Arrow voice
Ah, I didn't know that. Thanks.
I somewhat doubt he was opposed to this bill, though, given some of his behavior in the past
adamsappel
Member
I don't know why anyone thought that to begin with. It's like believing he was some secret atheist.
Obama said:
He is not a liberal, he is not a dove, he is not (and never was) going to fulfill our most progressive dreams. I think he's a good president, hampered by a horrible congress. If Democrats held the House, we'd see a lot more progressive policies enacted, but the man really does want to work with Republicans.
This. You are blaming Obama for Congress' work.
Right, he could've vetoed it, there was just no point to it. If the first vote gets a super majority, a bill will almost never be vetoed, as it just wastes time.
In 2014? Hell no. The earliest I could see Dems taking back the House is 2016, and that's only really if a Democrat wins the White House in a landslide. I'm not too worried about the senate right now. They might lose a couple seats, but I think they'll keep a majority.
RustyNails
Member
Democrats have a very good chance of picking up South Carolina's 1st district. Mark Sanford dun goofed, and lost national GOP support. Colbert's sister has a shot at it.
Anything's possible. The GOP brand is pretty bad right now. But midterms are always tough.
Of course you are.
Carpe Libertatem
Member
It's called being pragmatic, although that is probably a foreign concept to many people in PoliGAF who want him to support universal healthcare, end all wars, end the drug war, and other progressive fantasies. I'd like some of those things too! But it's not going to happen right now. It didn't happen when the Democrats had the House and a strong majority in the Senate. And it sure as hell isn't going to happen with a Republican House and a weakened Democratic Senate (that will probably get slightly weaker in 2014).
Obama was a community organizer in Chicago - are you really trying to say that he's not a liberal? You can see how passionate he is about gun control and I'm pretty sure that didn't start with Sandy Hook. Look at the questionnaire that he filled out prior to his first state senate campaign. And that was in 1996. I somehow doubt his views have changed since then. He's a progressive - the current political environment simply does not allow him to govern as one.
ClovingWestbrook
Banned
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
EDIT: Wrong thread
How the fuck can Americans be so disapproving of Congress but allow these GOP idiots to retain a majority in anything? Are they gonna blame Democratic messaging? Do they not see what the fuck is going on in regards to everything from the debt to gun control? THEY DO NOT CARE.
If people pin this on Obama they are FOOLS.
If people pin this on Obama they are FOOLS.
Carpe Libertatem
Member
Fenno's Paradox
RustyNails
Member
PhoenixDark
Banned
Bad economy, people losing their jobs due to asshole employers (but blaming it on Obamacare), social security, gun control scares in purple districts, gerrymandering...dems have no shot. I could see them losing more seats than they win, given how ugly 2014 will be as Obamacare takes effect.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Why do so many people do this? Is it because it's easier to blame one person, than a body of people?
We know why PD does it
trolling reasons
Shadow Hog
Member
Woah, nearly time for |OT2|.
People look at the president and think he's in charge, so he should be able to do something about it. Even if you know any better, which we all should, it's a hard thing to shake.
TacticalFox88
Banned
PoliGAF 2013 OT2 No Background Checks required for Membership
Aaron Strife
Banned
Yeah but even then, it's Republican enough that the GOP should win it back in 2014 and Democrats would still need to pick up 16 more seats. For reference, if every Democrat were given every contest decided by less than 5 points, they'd still be 5 seats short.
It's going to be very tough. My hope is that OFA is as good at mobilizing voters for midterms as they were for the presidential election. In addition to picking up more House seats it'd be good to knock off McConnell and send a message to Republicans.
The fact that the DCCC is willing to compete in a R+11 district gives me some hope that they'll wage an aggressive campaign next year.
speculawyer
Member
That is just crazy stupid. Wal*Mart is wealthy because they are subsidized by the government helping provide their workers with healthcare and foodstamps.
Wal*Mart is one massive welfare queen and people need to realize that. They could not exist as is without the massive subsidies they get from government and other businesses. Other businesses should call them out for it. Why should Intel, Google, Apple, Exxon, Eli Lilly, etc. have to pay higher taxes in order to subsidize Wal*Mart?
rocketknight
Member
A woman wrote in to my paper this week complaining about Obama's chained CPI SS reduction, then said that she'll remember which party tried to decrease her benefits in 2014.
Aaron Strife
Banned
She was probably a republican
TacticalFox88
Banned
So...I pointed out on Facebook that 91 percent of Americans support background checks and guy replies
"They only surveyed a few thousand people!! That's a drop in the bucket to the entire population of the country!"
*double facepalm*
Stop the world, I want off.
"They only surveyed a few thousand people!! That's a drop in the bucket to the entire population of the country!"
*double facepalm*
Stop the world, I want off.
empty vessel
Member
Probably. It's still bad politics.
CoffeeJanitor
Member
Most people don't know what the hell a sample size is sadly
Aaron Strife
Banned
Cue using Rasmussen to prove Obummer is unpopular, who just skips the middleman and makes up their own results.
Why are you surprised after all the idiots who thought Silver saying Obama had a 90% chance of winning Pennsylvania meant he would win with 90% of the vote?
Link
The Autumn Wind
Most people don't know how government works outside of image macros and Fox News talking points.
PhoenixDark
Banned
Watching the immigration bill reveal live and Lindsy Graham is making quite an impressive argument for reform.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Not surprised it's coming from the GOP.
Aaron Strife
Banned
I wonder if they know that the president getting credit for everything cuts both ways.
Shhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
PhoenixDark
Banned
I thought McCain was pretty honest about the political nature of this. He said passing immigration reform won't win republicans a single vote, but what it could do is level the playing field among Latino voters; this issue causes most Latinos to outright dismiss the republican party, and if they can pass a good reform bill perhaps Latinos will be more keen to listen to their ideas on other issues.
Honestly I don't think that's a bad idea, it's certainly better than the semi-racist "they'll vote for us and Rubio if we give them things" reasoning some on the right use. IMO the issue is losing the Hispanic vote 70-30/80-20 or losing it 65-35/60-40. If republicans can prove they all aren't out of touch sure, I'd imagine Hispanics might give them a shot. But ultimately that demographic's political views currently match democrats.
Honestly I don't think that's a bad idea, it's certainly better than the semi-racist "they'll vote for us and Rubio if we give them things" reasoning some on the right use. IMO the issue is losing the Hispanic vote 70-30/80-20 or losing it 65-35/60-40. If republicans can prove they all aren't out of touch sure, I'd imagine Hispanics might give them a shot. But ultimately that demographic's political views currently match democrats.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Why was he even talking about politics?
PhoenixDark
Banned
During the Q&A he kind of interrupted Shumer and Graham to make that point, calling it "straight talk."
The Librarian
Banned
Was looking at A History of Liberal White Racism and came across this 1950s' video advising women on dating.
Matt_
World's #1 One Direction Fan: Everyone else in the room can see it, everyone else but you~~~
Aaron Strife
Banned
Don't worry, I know politicians don't read my NeoGAF posts. Just my dailykos ones.
Black Mamba
Member
.
I am quite certain that any and all thoughts I have at this moment regarding Max Baucus are ban-worthy.
But is it more than lip service? What's ideal for Republicans at this point is to be able to take credit for reform but not the blame for actually reforming anything.
RustyNails
Member
Of course. We all know how Reagan one fine day went to his room, crafted the amnesty bill with his bare hands, and passed it in both chambers of congress.
Link
The Autumn Wind
I'm taking a much needed day off from politics today; why is he on?
Former Massachusetts Governor, so he's a "get" for a comment on CNN.
- Status